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I’m a Musquin fan but what is up with the 25? He was out performing Dungey in SX in the latter races before RD retired, I figured he was really finding his groove. So he was recovering from knee surgery at the beginning of the season and could not ride as often and hard as he wanted, but what now? What’s the missing piece? Webb and him are on the same bike and program so why is Coop reeling him in, passing and gapping him? Yes Webb is dialled right now but I would think a guy, (MM25) that is fighting to be in championship contention would be more aggressive then a guy, (CW2) who is protecting a championship. Has he mailed in SX and is focusing on being healthy for outdoors?
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MXD 4/14/2019 2:37pm
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MM has looked like the best guy on the track at a few rounds this year. In fact, all of the top guys have. I think he just had a bad day for whatever reason. It just looks worse because he’s running out of time and ET is catching fire.
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davis224 4/14/2019 3:12pm
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It just wasn't his day yesterday. He's been the one reeling in Cooper every race or gapping him, until he makes a mistake or 3, that is.
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Red Crawford 4/14/2019 3:19pm
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Still the smoothest guy out there, with rare exception. We are gonna miss him when he calls it a day....
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thorns 4/14/2019 3:23pm
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Surely after last night he will be told his job is to help Webb win the title for KTM?
I think Coop would have to have two night outside the top ten, and Marv win both races to have a chance at the title?
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Jerkolantern 4/14/2019 3:24pm
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The track was sketchy, hard to pass and slippery. I think Marv is great, he's done some really questionable stuff, the torpedoing of Tomac is tops on my list, but all in all he's a great story, and seems like a guy with high morals, outside of mx that is... Him n mathuzala are ok. I know that's not her name, just my nick name for her. And I hope someday he can win a championship. I think if him and Eli are at 100% at the beginning of the year it would be a much closer championship right now.
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Piston Slap 4/14/2019 3:41pm
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Let Coop by for points.....
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nytsmaC 4/14/2019 3:48pm
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Marv should be looking out for #1 until he’s mathematically eliminated. If Coop gets hurt or has a DNF they don’t want to hand the title to Tomac.
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DPR250R 4/14/2019 3:54pm
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Thought he said altitude and weather got to him last night?

Honestly... most of what you said could be applied to Tomac as well. Coop has been so fast, consistent and lucky this year he is making the 3 and 25 pay dearly for their slip ups.
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Do_Work 4/14/2019 7:19pm
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what's up with the 25? whoops. bites him every year
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RacerX8 4/14/2019 7:38pm
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Some good points and opinions fellas. I never heard the altitude issue interview, this could be very legit as we know how Anderson suffers with it. The whoops thing, is it mental? He's a taller rider so he has more straddle height in the chop, but he is a jumper and not a blitzer, shouldn't he have both techniques in his toolbag? I'm sure DV has analyzed this to death with him. I'm happy to see Coop running at his potential compared to last year, but it must be damn frustrating for Marv to be the second fiddle next to the new guy.
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WCRider 4/14/2019 7:50pm
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Marv won't finish another race ahead of Webb...
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CrGuy2T 4/14/2019 7:56pm
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Same song and dance.. He’s still making a lot of money racing.
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Texas Built 4/14/2019 7:58pm
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Marv should clean out Cooper the last two rounds and cost him the Championship.
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Do_Work 4/14/2019 8:05pm
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Marv is obviously world class. However I think he's lacking physical strength for the whoops. Lets be honest the guy's a string bean. Fast whoop riders can force the bike through corners with pure body strength. Marv needs the bike setup for corners.
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kpiper 4/14/2019 9:11pm
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I think the altitude made him feel tired. KR94 too. Guess we will know next weekend if they both bounce back. Marv is lucky he got the holeshot or he probably would have gotten around 6th or 7th.
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RacerX8 4/14/2019 9:17pm
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Do_Work wrote:
Marv is obviously world class. However I think he's lacking physical strength for the whoops. Lets be honest the guy's a string bean. Fast whoop riders...
Marv is obviously world class. However I think he's lacking physical strength for the whoops. Lets be honest the guy's a string bean. Fast whoop riders can force the bike through corners with pure body strength. Marv needs the bike setup for corners.
I have to agree to disagree here, yes he’s a string bean, (ectomorph) but I think Aldon would have any strength weaknesses addressed. He’s probably not fast twitch, (100m) really fast but more, slow twitch (1500-5000m) endurance fast. Still a properly trained ectomorph can have a lot of strength, even if they don’t look like it, and their power to weight ratio is through the roof. The guy in the gym that can bang out the most chin-ups isn’t the biggest, strongest guy.
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dingo94 4/14/2019 9:53pm
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keeping up with tomac ....bang slows down lets coops go
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NeKawBoy 4/15/2019 5:05pm
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I think Marv sets his bike up for cornering first and whoops second. He's improved each of the years since entering the class. More times than not he's fastest in the rhythm lanes and he can hold the inside line better than any other rider in the class.
If he came into the series 100% I'm confident the series would look different...same with Eli.
Marv is closing in on becoming 30 so, the window for winning a championship is starting to close. It sounds like he's close to re-signing with KTM. I'd love to see him finish out his career on orange.
It's pretty remarkable what KTM has accomplished with Marvin and Cooper this year. You can tell that the pairing has made both riders better; Marvin never rode past 98% in the past and Cooper has pushed him past his comfort zone & if you watch Cooper he emulates a lot of what Marvin does on the track. When they were on 250's they were completely different riders...now they are very similar.
I'm looking forward to a super-competitive outdoor season.


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Crush 4/15/2019 5:25pm
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Wonder if he needs to hit the weights a little. He always used to talk about using technique because he wasn't strong enough. Maybe he'd deal better with the whoops with a bit more strength?

You'd have to assume that DV would have helped get the bike and his technique better for the whoops this year... ?He seems better but even in the Denver whoops which were small Coop pulled him and it's not like Coop is MC/Stew/Reed in the whoops.
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cwtoyota 4/15/2019 5:28pm
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RacerX8 wrote:
I’m a Musquin fan but what is up with the 25? He was out performing Dungey in SX in the latter races before RD retired, I...
I’m a Musquin fan but what is up with the 25? He was out performing Dungey in SX in the latter races before RD retired, I figured he was really finding his groove. So he was recovering from knee surgery at the beginning of the season and could not ride as often and hard as he wanted, but what now? What’s the missing piece? Webb and him are on the same bike and program so why is Coop reeling him in, passing and gapping him? Yes Webb is dialled right now but I would think a guy, (MM25) that is fighting to be in championship contention would be more aggressive then a guy, (CW2) who is protecting a championship. Has he mailed in SX and is focusing on being healthy for outdoors?
How did Marv compare to Webb in 250s? How do they compare in terms of championships won on their resumes?

Marv is objectively one of the best guys out there, but I think in the past when the two have lined up and raced on 250's, my memory tells me that Webb had the better results in terms of series points and championships here in the USA.

Seems to me that Webb just had a few bad years as a new 450 guy and he's found a team and training scenario that has brought out what he had in the 250 class.

Time will tell, but we can pretty much bet on the fact that these guys will be at or near the top for the next handful of years.
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kpiper 4/15/2019 5:58pm
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Marvin will be 30 next year. When have we seen a 30 year old challenge for the title?

Will KTM keep signing him when it appears he will never win the championship? No 30 year old ever has right?

KTM could put him over with BB4 and bring in AC92 or some other up and coming racer to compliment Webb.
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cwtoyota 4/15/2019 6:19pm
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kpiper wrote:
Marvin will be 30 next year. When have we seen a 30 year old challenge for the title? Will KTM keep signing him when it appears...
Marvin will be 30 next year. When have we seen a 30 year old challenge for the title?

Will KTM keep signing him when it appears he will never win the championship? No 30 year old ever has right?

KTM could put him over with BB4 and bring in AC92 or some other up and coming racer to compliment Webb.
I think as long as Marv keeps putting in results like he has been; challenging for wins, they keep him around.

In terms of the age 30 talk... Somewhere in another thread recently someone posted some stats about nobody winning their first supercross title after age 26... I may have that info incorrect, and I didn't check the stats myself but I think I read that here on vital so it must be true.
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Mit12 4/15/2019 9:50pm
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Marvin is not faster than Webb when it counts. Webb has 6 wins and is nursing a championship points lead while Marvin is riding at 110% making mistakes. Tomac is the only rider that has Webb covered speed wise but it don't matter because Tomac can not put a complete SX season together. Like him or not Webb has dominated this championship so far and unless something drastic happens he will be the champ!

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