Triples - Do they still belong in SX?

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Triples - they used to be a fan favorite, is that still the case? When looking at the track map for this weekend (Denver), I noticed the plan is for 2 triples in different sections on the track. Obviously that can change when they build the track but does any one else think that space could be used for something more exciting? When looking at the tracks so far, this appears to be the only track that has planned for 2 triples which are only separated by only 2 jumps. All the triples are the same length and height at each track unless it's a triple in a rhythm section.

I think the only reason to keep them is to give riders a chance to take a breath in the air. Could they just make the finish line jump into a triple or bigger like what they did in Houston?

Thoughts? The most exciting part of triples in recent memories was watching JS7 scrub pass someone in the air.
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4/10/2019 12:02pm
Sure why not. Not many injuries happen on them compared to whoops and rhythm sections.

Id like to see the run up to triples reduced so that it takes more corner speed to clear them though. Its too easy right now.
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4/10/2019 12:03pm
Yes. A triple is a staple of SX. Seems like one of the lower risk obstacles in SX.
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4/10/2019 12:06pm
They need to be big enough so the 250s can’t make it! A shorter run up to it with a longer triple!

That would make the 250 lap times longer also, to the general public it’s dumb that a 250 go just about the same lap times.
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wsmille2 wrote:
Triples - they used to be a fan favorite, is that still the case? When looking at the track map for this weekend (Denver), I noticed...
Triples - they used to be a fan favorite, is that still the case? When looking at the track map for this weekend (Denver), I noticed the plan is for 2 triples in different sections on the track. Obviously that can change when they build the track but does any one else think that space could be used for something more exciting? When looking at the tracks so far, this appears to be the only track that has planned for 2 triples which are only separated by only 2 jumps. All the triples are the same length and height at each track unless it's a triple in a rhythm section.

I think the only reason to keep them is to give riders a chance to take a breath in the air. Could they just make the finish line jump into a triple or bigger like what they did in Houston?

Thoughts? The most exciting part of triples in recent memories was watching JS7 scrub pass someone in the air.
I think triples were good on two strokes because not everyone would jump them. If you lost momentum you might not be able to do the triple.

You could argue a quad (legit quad) could be about the same thing today, but that just takes up too much space on what are already fast tracks. I would personally have one triple per track then have rhythms that have triple, double, quad options.
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4/10/2019 12:20pm
Up until 1986 we had doubles. Rick Johnson and David Bailey made the triple as we have come to know it.

That was 33 years ago. We should have quads by now. It would be a good way to separate the bad boys from the not so bad boys. It wouldn’t be any more dangerous than what they do now with those rhythm sections.
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4/10/2019 12:33pm
Any good reason for having a triple died with the 125. They might as well all be big doubles.
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4/10/2019 1:23pm
Any good reason for having a triple died with the 125. They might as well all be big doubles.
I remember seeing sx in New Orleans in the 90's and there were maybe 2 or 3 125's jumping the triples. ONE triple per track is quite enough. A suitable double would be a great replacement for the triple nowadays.
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4/10/2019 1:36pm
wsmille2 wrote:
Triples - they used to be a fan favorite, is that still the case? When looking at the track map for this weekend (Denver), I noticed...
Triples - they used to be a fan favorite, is that still the case? When looking at the track map for this weekend (Denver), I noticed the plan is for 2 triples in different sections on the track. Obviously that can change when they build the track but does any one else think that space could be used for something more exciting? When looking at the tracks so far, this appears to be the only track that has planned for 2 triples which are only separated by only 2 jumps. All the triples are the same length and height at each track unless it's a triple in a rhythm section.

I think the only reason to keep them is to give riders a chance to take a breath in the air. Could they just make the finish line jump into a triple or bigger like what they did in Houston?

Thoughts? The most exciting part of triples in recent memories was watching JS7 scrub pass someone in the air.
How about Back to Back Triples!!
Yes i think they still belong.
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Any good reason for having a triple died with the 125. They might as well all be big doubles.
peltier626 wrote:
I remember seeing sx in New Orleans in the 90's and there were maybe 2 or 3 125's jumping the triples. ONE triple per track is...
I remember seeing sx in New Orleans in the 90's and there were maybe 2 or 3 125's jumping the triples. ONE triple per track is quite enough. A suitable double would be a great replacement for the triple nowadays.
I do think it would be Cool to have A Double that is just the same measurements as a Triple but without the Center jump.
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Any good reason for having a triple died with the 125. They might as well all be big doubles.
peltier626 wrote:
I remember seeing sx in New Orleans in the 90's and there were maybe 2 or 3 125's jumping the triples. ONE triple per track is...
I remember seeing sx in New Orleans in the 90's and there were maybe 2 or 3 125's jumping the triples. ONE triple per track is quite enough. A suitable double would be a great replacement for the triple nowadays.
Tarz483 wrote:
I do think it would be Cool to have A Double that is just the same measurements as a Triple but without the Center jump.
A bit like the A1 double - double section, that was bad ass in my opinion.
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4/10/2019 2:07pm
Well it's a breather section for them, but I would like to see that some of the triples were more steep or make them some way that they have to scrub them hard ass hell, would be so spectacular, and not that dangerous...
4/10/2019 2:09pm
Triples are safer if you don’t get the drive out of the corner or through a section prior. Big doubles are gnarlier and more dangerous.
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4/10/2019 2:11pm
I say 1 set of triples or once in awhile, no triple. Design a unique track. Travis Pastrana should be hired as a consultant.
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Tarz483 wrote:
I do think it would be Cool to have A Double that is just the same measurements as a Triple but without the Center jump.
Well then if you miss rhythm a bit before and you don't have enough time to break, baaam crash.
And then in a triple you can double and not lose as much time as roll through two piles
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Tarz483 wrote:
I do think it would be Cool to have A Double that is just the same measurements as a Triple but without the Center jump.
Slay896 wrote:
Well then if you miss rhythm a bit before and you don't have enough time to break, baaam crash. And then in a triple you can...
Well then if you miss rhythm a bit before and you don't have enough time to break, baaam crash.
And then in a triple you can double and not lose as much time as roll through two piles
That is good in my opinion. If a rider makes a mistake in the corner before and can't jump the double he will lose a lot of time.
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4/10/2019 2:18pm
Tarz483 wrote:
I do think it would be Cool to have A Double that is just the same measurements as a Triple but without the Center jump.
Slay896 wrote:
Well then if you miss rhythm a bit before and you don't have enough time to break, baaam crash. And then in a triple you can...
Well then if you miss rhythm a bit before and you don't have enough time to break, baaam crash.
And then in a triple you can double and not lose as much time as roll through two piles
Motofinne wrote:
That is good in my opinion. If a rider makes a mistake in the corner before and can't jump the double he will lose a lot...
That is good in my opinion. If a rider makes a mistake in the corner before and can't jump the double he will lose a lot of time.
Agree with the finne. Also, I’m not convinced a guy couldn’t safely flat land between the double if he decides to let off.
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I prefer off camber corners, grass, sand, uphills and downhill, top gear straights, but that’s just me.
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4/10/2019 2:19pm
If you think the triple isn’t a real gnarly obstacle you haven’t ever rolled the turn and tried to line up an jump that shit. You don’t understand how steep those take offs are and how soon the corner comes after the landing. It ain’t a joke.
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ob wrote:
If you think the triple isn’t a real gnarly obstacle you haven’t ever rolled the turn and tried to line up an jump that shit. You...
If you think the triple isn’t a real gnarly obstacle you haven’t ever rolled the turn and tried to line up an jump that shit. You don’t understand how steep those take offs are and how soon the corner comes after the landing. It ain’t a joke.
I’m sure they’re plenty gnarly, but the center “jump” is unnecessary all the same.
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4/10/2019 2:24pm Edited Date/Time 4/10/2019 2:28pm
They’re completely stupid out of 90° turns, like the one in Nashville for example. I can’t stand watching every rider go inside to triple, it’s a waste of time and track space that takes away from passing opportunities. I’d much rather see more passing spots like a sand section or more whoops.
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ob wrote:
If you think the triple isn’t a real gnarly obstacle you haven’t ever rolled the turn and tried to line up an jump that shit. You...
If you think the triple isn’t a real gnarly obstacle you haven’t ever rolled the turn and tried to line up an jump that shit. You don’t understand how steep those take offs are and how soon the corner comes after the landing. It ain’t a joke.
I'm from Spain, I raced Barcelona Supercross in the 125 class last year, Malcolm and Grant were racing too, I just talked to them for a moment and they said me that the finish line and the rhythm section wasn't even similar to a ama track, and I was scared hitting the stuff i can't imagine the triples back then with the 125 right off the turn, so damn scaring, but so fun to see old videos of JS7 getting those clean ass hell
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4/10/2019 2:29pm Edited Date/Time 4/10/2019 2:32pm
ob wrote:
If you think the triple isn’t a real gnarly obstacle you haven’t ever rolled the turn and tried to line up an jump that shit. You...
If you think the triple isn’t a real gnarly obstacle you haven’t ever rolled the turn and tried to line up an jump that shit. You don’t understand how steep those take offs are and how soon the corner comes after the landing. It ain’t a joke.
I’m sure they’re plenty gnarly, but the center “jump” is unnecessary all the same.
Stick to trails and don’t worry about it, lol just kidding, that center jump comes in handy when you can’t clear the whole thing. Unless you think jumping a 15’ mound to flat seems fun.
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4/10/2019 3:26pm Edited Date/Time 4/10/2019 3:27pm
wsmille2 wrote:
Triples - they used to be a fan favorite, is that still the case? When looking at the track map for this weekend (Denver), I noticed...
Triples - they used to be a fan favorite, is that still the case? When looking at the track map for this weekend (Denver), I noticed the plan is for 2 triples in different sections on the track. Obviously that can change when they build the track but does any one else think that space could be used for something more exciting? When looking at the tracks so far, this appears to be the only track that has planned for 2 triples which are only separated by only 2 jumps. All the triples are the same length and height at each track unless it's a triple in a rhythm section.

I think the only reason to keep them is to give riders a chance to take a breath in the air. Could they just make the finish line jump into a triple or bigger like what they did in Houston?

Thoughts? The most exciting part of triples in recent memories was watching JS7 scrub pass someone in the air.
rarely but sometimes guys get cross rutted or what ever have to back off the middle hump needs to be there as a safety measure flat landings hurt and bike loose lot momentum the face of most triples are at least 10 foot high so launching up another 5 foot missing the the triple puts you 15 foot high or so flat lands at that HURT
4/10/2019 3:32pm
ob wrote:
If you think the triple isn’t a real gnarly obstacle you haven’t ever rolled the turn and tried to line up an jump that shit. You...
If you think the triple isn’t a real gnarly obstacle you haven’t ever rolled the turn and tried to line up an jump that shit. You don’t understand how steep those take offs are and how soon the corner comes after the landing. It ain’t a joke.
I’m sure they’re plenty gnarly, but the center “jump” is unnecessary all the same.
ob wrote:
Stick to trails and don’t worry about it, lol just kidding, that center jump comes in handy when you can’t clear the whole thing. Unless you...
Stick to trails and don’t worry about it, lol just kidding, that center jump comes in handy when you can’t clear the whole thing. Unless you think jumping a 15’ mound to flat seems fun.
Handy, yes. Necessary? I don’t know ‘bout that! There was a time when I knew a few things, but like you said, I dunno what I dunno Smile
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4/10/2019 9:57pm Edited Date/Time 4/10/2019 9:59pm
2 triples used to be the standard at every round. They were also closer to 70-75 feet, rather than today's standard 65 feet. Watch any early 2000s race, it's a noticeable difference.

I didn't pay too much attention last year, but this year has seen many tracks with just a single triple. I don't mind, just an observation.

It doesn't matter what is changed though, the 250s will still clear what the 450s do. We are too far down that shitty road... If it were my way we'd have a 125 2-stroke feeder class and a 350 4-stroke premier class. GUARANTEE we would see better racing with that setup. No, I don't care what the "better machine" is. I just want to see steeper/slower obstacles again, riders having to be more precise, and lose more time when they make small mistakes due to having less power (resulting in better racing).

Oh, and to answer the question, I think having at least one large jump/triple is still necessary, for fans (mostly casual) and the riders.
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SoCalMX70 wrote:
2 triples used to be the standard at every round. They were also closer to 70-75 feet, rather than today's standard 65 feet. Watch any early...
2 triples used to be the standard at every round. They were also closer to 70-75 feet, rather than today's standard 65 feet. Watch any early 2000s race, it's a noticeable difference.

I didn't pay too much attention last year, but this year has seen many tracks with just a single triple. I don't mind, just an observation.

It doesn't matter what is changed though, the 250s will still clear what the 450s do. We are too far down that shitty road... If it were my way we'd have a 125 2-stroke feeder class and a 350 4-stroke premier class. GUARANTEE we would see better racing with that setup. No, I don't care what the "better machine" is. I just want to see steeper/slower obstacles again, riders having to be more precise, and lose more time when they make small mistakes due to having less power (resulting in better racing).

Oh, and to answer the question, I think having at least one large jump/triple is still necessary, for fans (mostly casual) and the riders.
slower lol no one wants to see slower racing of any kind racing is about speed at exstream
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kkawboy14 wrote:
They need to be big enough so the 250s can’t make it! A shorter run up to it with a longer triple! That would make the...
They need to be big enough so the 250s can’t make it! A shorter run up to it with a longer triple!

That would make the 250 lap times longer also, to the general public it’s dumb that a 250 go just about the same lap times.
I don't think that the 250's shouldn't be able to do them. I do think that they shouldn't be able to do them from the inside line or a seat bounce.
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Instead of Triples what about a wall jump into a sand section? How they were at monster cup. The riders can either scrub it or send it. The only downfall would be safety concerns of riders possibly landing on each other. The fans at Monster Cup loved it from what I remember.
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SWOHIO GUY wrote:
Instead of Triples what about a wall jump into a sand section? How they were at monster cup. The riders can either scrub it or send...
Instead of Triples what about a wall jump into a sand section? How they were at monster cup. The riders can either scrub it or send it. The only downfall would be safety concerns of riders possibly landing on each other. The fans at Monster Cup loved it from what I remember.
Or even just rollers, that are spaced out more than whoops but takes the same shape. That way you can attempt to jump thru or keep your front wheel high like Tomac in Daytona!
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SWOHIO GUY wrote:
Instead of Triples what about a wall jump into a sand section? How they were at monster cup. The riders can either scrub it or send...
Instead of Triples what about a wall jump into a sand section? How they were at monster cup. The riders can either scrub it or send it. The only downfall would be safety concerns of riders possibly landing on each other. The fans at Monster Cup loved it from what I remember.
wsmille2 wrote:
Or even just rollers, that are spaced out more than whoops but takes the same shape. That way you can attempt to jump thru or keep...
Or even just rollers, that are spaced out more than whoops but takes the same shape. That way you can attempt to jump thru or keep your front wheel high like Tomac in Daytona!
those tracks are easy for pro riders its the corners that give everyone the biggest problems ..turns are what slows everyone down some more then others riders

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