Rekluse clutch after 70 hours

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Lastander 4/7/2019 12:24pm
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RCF wrote:
with that many grooves the clutch had to be slipping really bad it probably bake the oil ,that's what you are seeing on the basket.
Again, the filter was from the rubber bushings dissolving, this was last year, the picture of my basket was last week, they have nothing in common.
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Gworm 4/7/2019 1:51pm
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drvnfast wrote:
Wow, That basket is haggered.

Side note: I wish I had time to put 70 hrs on a new bike. Lucky dog!
Lastander wrote:
13 hours on the -19, the other 50-60 hours was on my -18 just to clear that up
So you ran the clutch 50-60 hrs in your 18 before you put it in your 19? What was the condition when you swapped it out? Did it do that in just 13 hrs?
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RCF 4/7/2019 2:11pm
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RCF wrote:
with that many grooves the clutch had to be slipping really bad it probably bake the oil ,that's what you are seeing on the basket.
Lastander wrote:
Again, the filter was from the rubber bushings dissolving, this was last year, the picture of my basket was last week, they have nothing in common.
That was an answer to the comment about the basket being so dirty, it had nothing to do with your filter.
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wolf918 4/7/2019 4:46pm
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Got to change that oil frequently, especially with a rekluse. Its too easy to overlook how much that clutch is getting slipped. The transmission does not have a filter, its a screen. Anytime you have contaminates circulating in the oil, the grit is going to get between the moving parts and cause accelerated wear. Oil is cheap, engine are not.
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RCF 4/7/2019 5:03pm
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Got to change that oil frequently, especially with a rekluse. Its too easy to overlook how much that clutch is getting slipped. The transmission does not...
Got to change that oil frequently, especially with a rekluse. Its too easy to overlook how much that clutch is getting slipped. The transmission does not have a filter, its a screen. Anytime you have contaminates circulating in the oil, the grit is going to get between the moving parts and cause accelerated wear. Oil is cheap, engine are not.
can't see it being caused by oil he said it was only in the 19 bike for 13 hours, I'm sure it was inspected before being installed in his new bike.
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Broseph 4/7/2019 6:28pm
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Lastander wrote:
Again, the filter was from the rubber bushings dissolving, this was last year, the picture of my basket was last week, they have nothing in common.
That clutch is baked beyond belief. The discoloration on the hub is telling.

Give Rekluse a call or send them an email. You won’t find a more helpful group of guys anywhere in the industry.

Edit: This appears to be a Core Manual Torqdrive clutch, correct? Not an auto clutch?
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Lastander 4/7/2019 9:05pm
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Gworm wrote:
So you ran the clutch 50-60 hrs in your 18 before you put it in your 19? What was the condition when you swapped it out...
So you ran the clutch 50-60 hrs in your 18 before you put it in your 19? What was the condition when you swapped it out? Did it do that in just 13 hrs?
Yup looked as good as new when i put it in my -19
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Lastander 4/7/2019 9:06pm
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That clutch is baked beyond belief. The discoloration on the hub is telling. Give Rekluse a call or send them an email. You won’t find a...
That clutch is baked beyond belief. The discoloration on the hub is telling.

Give Rekluse a call or send them an email. You won’t find a more helpful group of guys anywhere in the industry.

Edit: This appears to be a Core Manual Torqdrive clutch, correct? Not an auto clutch?
Yes manual clutch, not an auto
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babba boey 4/7/2019 9:21pm
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Where you using the Rekluse clutch plates? If the stock Honda plates where put in the Rekluse basket that would be your problem.
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Excracingteam.com 4/7/2019 10:08pm
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Wow, i guess most of you guys with really strong feelings about this don't know that rekluse makes the torqdrive, a MANUAL clutch?
Are you still thinking a 2 hour oil change is due, Premix?
Anyways Lastander, there are more people in Sweden having that issue with crf clutches.
Full Hinson setup seems the way to go, but we're searching for options.
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Excracingteam.com 4/7/2019 10:10pm
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babba boey wrote:
Where you using the Rekluse clutch plates? If the stock Honda plates where put in the Rekluse basket that would be your problem.
The torqdrive will not work with stock plates.
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Lastander 4/7/2019 10:13pm
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Excracingteam.com wrote:
Wow, i guess most of you guys with really strong feelings about this don't know that rekluse makes the torqdrive, a MANUAL clutch? Are you still...
Wow, i guess most of you guys with really strong feelings about this don't know that rekluse makes the torqdrive, a MANUAL clutch?
Are you still thinking a 2 hour oil change is due, Premix?
Anyways Lastander, there are more people in Sweden having that issue with crf clutches.
Full Hinson setup seems the way to go, but we're searching for options.
Yep i spoke with another rider on saturday that has had the same issues, he went full hinson but gave up and now rides a ktm..
Excracingteam.com 4/7/2019 10:46pm
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Excracingteam.com wrote:
Wow, i guess most of you guys with really strong feelings about this don't know that rekluse makes the torqdrive, a MANUAL clutch? Are you still...
Wow, i guess most of you guys with really strong feelings about this don't know that rekluse makes the torqdrive, a MANUAL clutch?
Are you still thinking a 2 hour oil change is due, Premix?
Anyways Lastander, there are more people in Sweden having that issue with crf clutches.
Full Hinson setup seems the way to go, but we're searching for options.
Lastander wrote:
Yep i spoke with another rider on saturday that has had the same issues, he went full hinson but gave up and now rides a ktm..
Stock mapping or new setup?
We're thinking it's a heat issue and a lean mapping might make it worse.
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Lastander 4/7/2019 11:54pm
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Excracingteam.com wrote:
Stock mapping or new setup?
We're thinking it's a heat issue and a lean mapping might make it worse.
My bike is stock with a Yosh exhaust, i use the first (original) map
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danman 4/8/2019 6:05am
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drvnfast wrote:
Wow, That basket is haggered.

Side note: I wish I had time to put 70 hrs on a new bike. Lucky dog!
Lastander wrote:
13 hours on the -19, the other 50-60 hours was on my -18 just to clear that up
Gworm wrote:
So you ran the clutch 50-60 hrs in your 18 before you put it in your 19? What was the condition when you swapped it out...
So you ran the clutch 50-60 hrs in your 18 before you put it in your 19? What was the condition when you swapped it out? Did it do that in just 13 hrs?
Yeah, I have the same question?
50-60, then put in a new bike. There is no way in hell you did this in 13 hours. Whoever put this into your new bike obviously didn't inspect anything prior to installation.
Based on not inspecting it prior to installation, I'd be a bit suspect on the overall ongoing maintenance as well.
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Lastander 4/8/2019 6:16am
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Yeah, I have the same question? 50-60, then put in a new bike. There is no way in hell you did this in 13 hours. Whoever...
Yeah, I have the same question?
50-60, then put in a new bike. There is no way in hell you did this in 13 hours. Whoever put this into your new bike obviously didn't inspect anything prior to installation.
Based on not inspecting it prior to installation, I'd be a bit suspect on the overall ongoing maintenance as well.
My dad (professional mechanic for almost 30 years now) does all my wrenching.
Id trust my life with his mechanical knowledge and 3-4 dealers here in south sweden sends their engines to him instead of rebuilding them in-house.
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Mr. Knobby 4/8/2019 6:56am
4/8/2019 6:56am
Interesting thread and I wish you luck getting to the bottom of it Lastander. It's too bad you can't have a good discussion on this board without getting attacked and called a liar, but alas, that's Vital. Lots of people convinced they know a lot more than they actually do.
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RCF 4/8/2019 7:09am
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one of the problems we had was the steel plates would egg out and cause excessive lash in the clutch. The thing with KTM clutch is they ride on steel pins so in my case the plates would just break instead of wearing the basket .if your dad missed this on the plate it's possible the excess lash cause the aluminum to wear quicker.


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Lastander 4/8/2019 7:19am
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one of the problems we had was the steel plates would egg out and cause excessive lash in the clutch. The thing with KTM clutch is...
one of the problems we had was the steel plates would egg out and cause excessive lash in the clutch. The thing with KTM clutch is they ride on steel pins so in my case the plates would just break instead of wearing the basket .if your dad missed this on the plate it's possible the excess lash cause the aluminum to wear quicker.


Yeah im not ruling out anything, according to Vital Mike williamson sucked at his job also Laughing

Im not trying to get a new clutch for free or anything, i just wanted to tell people the issues we have been having and maybe get to a solution where other people could prevent their engines filling with rubber and having them run dry for instance, but not all people are fine with this i guess. cant please em allSmile
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kb228 4/8/2019 7:24am
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Gonna go ahead and say that your problems are maintenance related.
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RCF 4/8/2019 7:38am
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one of the problems we had was the steel plates would egg out and cause excessive lash in the clutch. The thing with KTM clutch is...
one of the problems we had was the steel plates would egg out and cause excessive lash in the clutch. The thing with KTM clutch is they ride on steel pins so in my case the plates would just break instead of wearing the basket .if your dad missed this on the plate it's possible the excess lash cause the aluminum to wear quicker.


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Yeah im not ruling out anything, according to Vital Mike williamson sucked at his job also :laugh: Im not trying to get a new clutch for...
Yeah im not ruling out anything, according to Vital Mike williamson sucked at his job also Laughing

Im not trying to get a new clutch for free or anything, i just wanted to tell people the issues we have been having and maybe get to a solution where other people could prevent their engines filling with rubber and having them run dry for instance, but not all people are fine with this i guess. cant please em allSmile
it's actually a really easy one to miss if I handed you the plates loose it would be hard to see but obviously you with them on the pins it sticks out. one of the other things I was thinking with your situation is sometimes when you put used parts into a new engine although they may not show excessive wear the extra power of fresh motor does them in. as far as the comments above that wear like this can't happen in such a short time, I've personally seen clutch basket wear out like this in under 15 hours, most pro riders could do that in one Moto.
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Lastander 4/8/2019 8:12am
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it's actually a really easy one to miss if I handed you the plates loose it would be hard to see but obviously you with them...
it's actually a really easy one to miss if I handed you the plates loose it would be hard to see but obviously you with them on the pins it sticks out. one of the other things I was thinking with your situation is sometimes when you put used parts into a new engine although they may not show excessive wear the extra power of fresh motor does them in. as far as the comments above that wear like this can't happen in such a short time, I've personally seen clutch basket wear out like this in under 15 hours, most pro riders could do that in one Moto.
Yeah and im not riding Milestone either (yes ive ridden milestone).
These 13 hours have all been on lommel-type sand tracks
motoxxx599 4/8/2019 9:29am
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RCF wrote:
it's actually a really easy one to miss if I handed you the plates loose it would be hard to see but obviously you with them...
it's actually a really easy one to miss if I handed you the plates loose it would be hard to see but obviously you with them on the pins it sticks out. one of the other things I was thinking with your situation is sometimes when you put used parts into a new engine although they may not show excessive wear the extra power of fresh motor does them in. as far as the comments above that wear like this can't happen in such a short time, I've personally seen clutch basket wear out like this in under 15 hours, most pro riders could do that in one Moto.
Seems about right for 70 hours. I agree with RCF that looks like a couple of qualifiers and a set of motos for most top 20 guys outdoors.
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Polishhammer 4/8/2019 1:12pm
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Maybe the guys hard on clutches like Reed?
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Lastander 4/22/2019 11:05am
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Well, shit.
3 hours later and the first round of our national series ate another clutch, the deep sand killed the bushings and basket, another 1200$ i guess.

The quest continues! Maybe we can buy these at bulk and get a discount...
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RCF 4/22/2019 11:18am
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Maybe it's time to stop using crappy recluses and go with a full Henson set up like the other poster said above.
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EnvyMedia 4/22/2019 11:36am
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Ruining a clutch in 3 hours on a 450 either means you're seriously raping your clutch or that there's something wrong with either the component or the install. I'm not judging your riding (since I don't know) at all, just saying that this shouldn't happen in "normal" circumstances.
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Moto520 4/22/2019 12:26pm
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One thing i will add.....the Rekluse clutch is freaking amazing on my 2019 Kawasaki KX450. Awesome combo with the Hinson kit with Rekluse plates. Carry on....
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Markee 4/22/2019 1:54pm
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This shit again.
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bvm111 4/22/2019 2:32pm
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Just pulled my torque drive out for inspection on my 16 KX450 after about 30 hrs of use the damn thing looks brand new... but I change my oil after every ride with Maxima 530MX. Some guys on here would think I’m crazy for that interval but my clutch didn’t explode either... so there is that!
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