The REAL reason Marvin isn’t (more) widely respected

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Sluggo77 3/25/2019 2:59pm
3/25/2019 2:59pm Edited Date/Time 3/25/2019 3:01pm
Some are saying because he doesn't own his mistakes? He blocks out Tomac on a last corner pass for the win! Why apologize for that?? Osborne does that and he is a hero! Has Marv taken anyone else out? Nope. He has to deal with a double standard because he is french, no other reason.
Jumping on the red flag? 3-4 other riders did it as well, one gaining a position on Wilson. Not even penalized let alone having to own their mistake. Double standard again!
Marv was pumped about leading another SX, and suddenly a red flag comes out, and bam, he has to go from "balls to the wall" mode, to rolling an entire rhythm section in a nano second. It is an easy mistake to make unless your a critic on the couch.
The penalty may well cost him his dream, a 450 Supercross Championship. Isn't that enough?????
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FillmoreSouth wrote:
Cognition isn't as simple as TV replay makes it out to be. Despite our full field of vision, the brain can only process details of what...
Cognition isn't as simple as TV replay makes it out to be. Despite our full field of vision, the brain can only process details of what our eyes look at directly.

Last summer I got pulled over for making an illegal U-turn. The cop says, "Did you see the sign?" And I said, "Sure, I saw it in my rear-view mirror once I saw you coming after me, but I didn't see it at the time."

So I went back to the intersection later, and there were two signs, clearly posted, clear as day. Impossible to miss. Except I didn't see shit.

Give the guy a break. I think his eyes were up, looking to the next corner.
Happened to me. If its sagety theyre after, Signs dont work
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milliebays 3/25/2019 6:52pm
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GoldenKTM wrote:
I think that’s a valid criticism of him but most don’t like him because he’s French and because he’s different. They then look for ways to...
I think that’s a valid criticism of him but most don’t like him because he’s French and because he’s different.

They then look for ways to justify that belief.

Kind of like shooting an arrow into a hay bale and painting a target around it.
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Bingo
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No not bingo. Where do you people get that some people aren't fans purely because he's French? If that was the case shouldn't similar threads be...
No not bingo. Where do you people get that some people aren't fans purely because he's French? If that was the case shouldn't similar threads be made about Ferrandis? What about Soubeyras? Last year when Cedric was wronged by Hansens team and then picked up by HEP Suzuki he seemed to have unanimous support here. I'm sure they are a select few idiots who do dislike French people but I'm also pretty sure those people are few and far between.

I think those that claim he's disliked purely because he's French just don't want to admit that he's not that great at telling the truth in certain situations. FWIW I don't think this specific situation is a great example of what the OP is trying to say as Marv did own it and took responsibility.
Ferrandis is also french. And a bit aggressive. People respect him just fine. Race card declined.

It's CHARACTER people...
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Chris_Cooksey 3/25/2019 6:58pm
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He says in that post that he takes full responsibility, what in the fuck man.
I agree, he has taken ownership. What more do these guys want? Made the mistake, now taking his medicine. Respect ✊
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Could have saw it after going back the other way...
That’s how I understood it.
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GuyB wrote:
You're right. Click-bait for sure. Should have said, "My OPINION on the real reason..." I thought he was pretty forthcoming about his mistake both in the...
You're right. Click-bait for sure. Should have said, "My OPINION on the real reason..."

I thought he was pretty forthcoming about his mistake both in the press conference when I asked about it, and in the one-on-one afterward.
Agreed on all accounts. As stated, the IG post is when things took a weird turn in my opinion.
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The Dungey thing was him doing the right thing for his team just like Savatchy. And anyone of us in the same position woulda done it too.

The Tomac slice was something every top racer has done in the past. Marvin was actually surprised that it did not go over that well as to why he stumbled during his questioning of the event. He was trying to be careful with his answers because he is a polite person. Sure he coulda just said " I don't care what anyone thinks, We all make passes like this at some point or another as professionals, you all just need to stop crying about it and let's get back to racing". But again he is polite.

This weekend he made a mistake. Judging by his character I don't believe it was malicious as he knows there will be a penalty. He also knows there's " like 50 cameras around". He brain farted and did it, then he knew he did it, then he was kicking himself knowing it was going to be an issue is to why he is actually genuine in being sorrowful.

I shared a flight with this dude once. And I ain't no profiler but I can say the time I spent with him he is really just a super nice guy.

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dickjackson170 3/26/2019 10:00am
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Who's opinion is it that Marvin isn't respected? Assuming yours. I'm guessing the only people who don't "respect" him are bigots and fan boys of other riders. Anyone who is truly a "fan" of the sport and the immense talent it takes to compete in surely respect his ability very much. As well as anyone else showing up on Saturdays.
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GODZILLA 3/26/2019 1:29pm
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At least he took it without his usual whining.
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mattyhamz2 3/26/2019 1:38pm
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People lost respect when he wouldn't just own up to taking people out.

And not owning up to letting Dungey by.
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bama205 3/26/2019 3:05pm
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GoldenKTM wrote:
I think that’s a valid criticism of him but most don’t like him because he’s French and because he’s different. They then look for ways to...
I think that’s a valid criticism of him but most don’t like him because he’s French and because he’s different.

They then look for ways to justify that belief.

Kind of like shooting an arrow into a hay bale and painting a target around it.
But they love Roczen and Reed ?
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Hcallz5 3/26/2019 4:24pm
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Moral of the story is: If there is a red cross flag out and you can jump it and pass at least 7 points worth of riders.........


Fuckin' SEND IT!
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mattyhamz2 3/26/2019 4:30pm
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Hcallz5 wrote:
Moral of the story is: If there is a red cross flag out and you can jump it and pass at least 7 points worth of...
Moral of the story is: If there is a red cross flag out and you can jump it and pass at least 7 points worth of riders.........


Fuckin' SEND IT!
Yup! And you still get your win bonuses Wink seems worth it to me still, especially if it's later in the race and you aren't a factor in the title.
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tingo 3/27/2019 5:21am
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dickjackson170 wrote:
Who's opinion is it that Marvin isn't respected? Assuming yours. I'm guessing the only people who don't "respect" him are bigots and fan boys of other...
Who's opinion is it that Marvin isn't respected? Assuming yours. I'm guessing the only people who don't "respect" him are bigots and fan boys of other riders. Anyone who is truly a "fan" of the sport and the immense talent it takes to compete in surely respect his ability very much. As well as anyone else showing up on Saturdays.
You can replace "respected" with "liked" in the thread title if you like; they are pretty well interchangeable in this case. And to be clear on the thread title and point of the post, it's not that Marvin isn't respected at all, it's that he's not as respected/liked as he probably should be.

To answer your question, here is a very recent example that also says he doesn't get as much respect as some feel he should: Marvin is a Fighter. Some say the reason he isn't more respected is because he is French. I think that is an incredibly lazy excuse (and not picking on Chris, here, as it is a sentiment echoed by many) that doesn't hold water when you consider that guys like Soubeyras and Ferrandis seem to enjoy widespread support. Support that is often given by the very same fans who are "meh" on Marvin (me) or outright don't like him. Anyhow, just one man's reasoning that I'm sure Marvin won't lose sleep over.
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SojCZE 3/27/2019 5:30am
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Marv is an odd one.

He was like 24th in GPs the year before he ran away from his team to RB KTM in the middle of the season and won title... Not seen since that red plate rider f'd his team to go to KTM.

In US he was fast but at the race he should win he made mistake while being around JS7 and Diesel got the win.

Despite all this he eventually got thru and ended up on top but there were some oddities along the way.
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SPODEBOY wrote:
The Dungey thing was him doing the right thing for his team just like Savatchy. And anyone of us in the same position woulda done it...

The Dungey thing was him doing the right thing for his team just like Savatchy. And anyone of us in the same position woulda done it too.

The Tomac slice was something every top racer has done in the past. Marvin was actually surprised that it did not go over that well as to why he stumbled during his questioning of the event. He was trying to be careful with his answers because he is a polite person. Sure he coulda just said " I don't care what anyone thinks, We all make passes like this at some point or another as professionals, you all just need to stop crying about it and let's get back to racing". But again he is polite.

This weekend he made a mistake. Judging by his character I don't believe it was malicious as he knows there will be a penalty. He also knows there's " like 50 cameras around". He brain farted and did it, then he knew he did it, then he was kicking himself knowing it was going to be an issue is to why he is actually genuine in being sorrowful.

I shared a flight with this dude once. And I ain't no profiler but I can say the time I spent with him he is really just a super nice guy.

Add Webb to that list letting J Mart by in the 250s
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Ranman68 3/27/2019 4:45pm
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SPODEBOY wrote:
The Dungey thing was him doing the right thing for his team just like Savatchy. And anyone of us in the same position woulda done it...

The Dungey thing was him doing the right thing for his team just like Savatchy. And anyone of us in the same position woulda done it too.

The Tomac slice was something every top racer has done in the past. Marvin was actually surprised that it did not go over that well as to why he stumbled during his questioning of the event. He was trying to be careful with his answers because he is a polite person. Sure he coulda just said " I don't care what anyone thinks, We all make passes like this at some point or another as professionals, you all just need to stop crying about it and let's get back to racing". But again he is polite.

This weekend he made a mistake. Judging by his character I don't believe it was malicious as he knows there will be a penalty. He also knows there's " like 50 cameras around". He brain farted and did it, then he knew he did it, then he was kicking himself knowing it was going to be an issue is to why he is actually genuine in being sorrowful.

I shared a flight with this dude once. And I ain't no profiler but I can say the time I spent with him he is really just a super nice guy.

I agree, and don't think it could be laid out any better than this. Damn I'd love to share a flight with someone like that. To hear their REAL replies and thoughts. Just person to person. Not the "corperate first" crap when in front of media or their bosses.
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peelout 3/27/2019 4:47pm
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becuase he jumps thru whoops
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Let me get this straight. Vital is home to a bunch of grammar nazis who can’t see that Marv simply has a “context” issue when speaking English? Not unlike any foreigner speaking our language, lol, this place is a trip. Watch his interview, then read his IG post, repeat until you feel dum, not smrt
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GuyB wrote:
You're right. Click-bait for sure. Should have said, "My OPINION on the real reason..." I thought he was pretty forthcoming about his mistake both in the...
You're right. Click-bait for sure. Should have said, "My OPINION on the real reason..."

I thought he was pretty forthcoming about his mistake both in the press conference when I asked about it, and in the one-on-one afterward.
tingo wrote:
Agreed on all accounts. As stated, the IG post is when things took a weird turn in my opinion.
It’s only weird if you’re dumb, he’s French, like, from “France” French.
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gnarwhip 3/27/2019 7:08pm
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Original poster hit the nail on the head. I used to like Marv, but all this crap he’s pulled makes it hard for me to like him. Plus he does f’n heel clickers which were lame back in ‘96.
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gnarwhip wrote:
Original poster hit the nail on the head. I used to like Marv, but all this crap he’s pulled makes it hard for me to like...
Original poster hit the nail on the head. I used to like Marv, but all this crap he’s pulled makes it hard for me to like him. Plus he does f’n heel clickers which were lame back in ‘96.
Glad someone else thinks the heel clickers are lame,,
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tingo wrote:
I think he did, too, and I completely understand that. Again, having a bit of a brain fart is entirely consistent with his original interviews. What...
I think he did, too, and I completely understand that. Again, having a bit of a brain fart is entirely consistent with his original interviews. What I have a problem with is him now saying he didn’t “realize” there was a Red Cross flag. Bullshit. And again, there is a history here.
STFU... he owes you no further explanation. A-hole.
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