If Stewy came back, does he beat Reed?

uneasy_rider wrote:

You may want to examine those records a little closer. Except for the Lites class (chad only lites 2 years), they have the same number of...

You may want to examine those records a little closer. Except for the Lites class (chad only lites 2 years), they have the same number of titles, indoors and out. JS has 6 more SX wins than Chad, which is cool, but not dominating by any stretch. Its cool to be a fan of the guy, but your facts are wrong and your opinion is biased.

theprizefighter wrote:

Reed never beat Stewart for a title when they raced together for the series, where as Stewart did beat Reed. Stewart was almost always faster and...

Reed never beat Stewart for a title when they raced together for the series, where as Stewart did beat Reed. Stewart was almost always faster and could catch and pass Reed almost at will in his prime as evidenced by how quickly James amassed his wins. Reed had been in the class for two seasons before James entered. James did a 24-0.
Stats, while a big part of it, aren’t the entire picture. Dungey has as many sx titles as RV, and not many more wins. Dungey has more 450 outdoor titles and wins than RV, but most people agree that RV had Dungey covered, much like Stewart did Reed.

Also, when looking at all-time greats, lites records are included. I don’t think that there’s much of an argument James will higher on the list than Reed.

uneasy_rider wrote:

Stats dont lie, you can say it as much as you want, but the record books dont lie. Since you want to play the he only...

Stats dont lie, you can say it as much as you want, but the record books dont lie. Since you want to play the he only won because card, who was Stews main competition when he went 24-0? Oh, thats right........

theprizefighter wrote:

Reed never beat Stewart for a title when they raced together for the series, where as Stewart did beat Reed. Stewart was almost always faster and...

Reed never beat Stewart for a title when they raced together for the series, where as Stewart did beat Reed. Stewart was almost always faster and could catch and pass Reed almost at will in his prime as evidenced by how quickly James amassed his wins. Reed had been in the class for two seasons before James entered. James did a 24-0.
Stats, while a big part of it, aren’t the entire picture. Dungey has as many sx titles as RV, and not many more wins. Dungey has more 450 outdoor titles and wins than RV, but most people agree that RV had Dungey covered, much like Stewart did Reed.

Also, when looking at all-time greats, lites records are included. I don’t think that there’s much of an argument James will higher on the list than Reed.

uneasy_rider wrote:

Stats dont lie, you can say it as much as you want, but the record books dont lie. Since you want to play the he only...

Stats dont lie, you can say it as much as you want, but the record books dont lie. Since you want to play the he only won because card, who was Stews main competition when he went 24-0? Oh, thats right........

theprizefighter wrote:

Stats don’t lie, and they say Stewart is better. More titles and more wins. Don’t sweep his 125 wins and titles under the rug to make...

Stats don’t lie, and they say Stewart is better. More titles and more wins. Don’t sweep his 125 wins and titles under the rug to make it look like Reed was closer. Reed is an all-time great himself, but not quite there with Stewart.

ButteryWaffles wrote:

"Don't matter how long I'm off. Don't matter how old you think I am, if you think I'm washed up. I'm still a bad motherfucker." That...

"Don't matter how long I'm off. Don't matter how old you think I am, if you think I'm washed up. I'm still a bad motherfucker."

That, that right there is all James needs to say.

GuyB wrote:

I really enjoyed watching James during his career. I've often said that there are very few riders I'd pay to watch. He's definitely on that list...

I really enjoyed watching James during his career. I've often said that there are very few riders I'd pay to watch. He's definitely on that list. But during the last summer that he was out there racing, about the best I can say is that he was a shell of his former self.

I couldn't say how much he's been on the bike (or not) in recent years, but I think a comeback would be tough.

Track and Trail wrote:

Stew is retired. He probably runs his blender harder than whatever old bikes he's got laying around. Even his superior talent and top speed would not...

Stew is retired. He probably runs his blender harder than whatever old bikes he's got laying around. Even his superior talent and top speed would not win him a race against Reed anymore.

Track and Trail wrote:

Stew is retired. He probably runs his blender harder than whatever old bikes he's got laying around. Even his superior talent and top speed would not...

Stew is retired. He probably runs his blender harder than whatever old bikes he's got laying around. Even his superior talent and top speed would not win him a race against Reed anymore.

2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:

Technically he is not retired

theprizefighter wrote:

Stewart always had Reed’s number, and still would. It’s not a debate as to who will be ranked higher in the all-time great’s list. If the...

Stewart always had Reed’s number, and still would. It’s not a debate as to who will be ranked higher in the all-time great’s list.

If the secret downvoters would like to dispute it, we could always go to the record books. Who has more sx wins? How about national titles?

uneasy_rider wrote:

You may want to examine those records a little closer. Except for the Lites class (chad only lites 2 years), they have the same number of...

You may want to examine those records a little closer. Except for the Lites class (chad only lites 2 years), they have the same number of titles, indoors and out. JS has 6 more SX wins than Chad, which is cool, but not dominating by any stretch. Its cool to be a fan of the guy, but your facts are wrong and your opinion is biased.

theprizefighter wrote:

Reed never beat Stewart for a title when they raced together for the series, where as Stewart did beat Reed. Stewart was almost always faster and...

Reed never beat Stewart for a title when they raced together for the series, where as Stewart did beat Reed. Stewart was almost always faster and could catch and pass Reed almost at will in his prime as evidenced by how quickly James amassed his wins. Reed had been in the class for two seasons before James entered. James did a 24-0.
Stats, while a big part of it, aren’t the entire picture. Dungey has as many sx titles as RV, and not many more wins. Dungey has more 450 outdoor titles and wins than RV, but most people agree that RV had Dungey covered, much like Stewart did Reed.

Also, when looking at all-time greats, lites records are included. I don’t think that there’s much of an argument James will higher on the list than Reed.

FlickitFlat wrote:

JS and Reed rivalry is fake news. JS always had him covered.

Mr. G wrote:

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uneasy_rider wrote:

Everyone always talks about this race, but they never mention how Reed had just came back from shoulder surgery. Cherry picking and half truths.

Crush wrote:

Lotta posts here talking about 10 years ago plus. It's about what right now could be. Reed has a podium this year and is 7th in...

Lotta posts here talking about 10 years ago plus. It's about what right now could be.

Reed has a podium this year and is 7th in points. James is well retired and in most recent history last we saw him in 2016 it wasn't pretty, he would have loved to have been riding like Reed is now.

Underground wrote:

Yeah I think a lot have missed the discussion point on "this present year". It's all hypothetical of cause because Stew isn't racing, but what impressed...

Yeah I think a lot have missed the discussion point on "this present year". It's all hypothetical of cause because Stew isn't racing, but what impressed me from the video was how he came back from that suspension and beat everyone, the current 2015 SX champ and runner up and 2016 MX champ in the prime of their careers included. Yeah it's a one off side show race but if you don't have the ability, you're definitely not winning it against those guys.
Maybe a better question would be could he come back from that 2016 A1 crash, the burnout, the mental depression, after all the rest up, healing and time away, does he have the ability to beat the current Reed if he has the desire and fitness?
It's all too late in the season now to happen but imagine if a fit and rejuvenated JS259 had also been thrown into the start of this season with a factory ECU. It would have been a 2 way championship within a championship.

RandyS wrote:

Anyone who thinks Stewart had a more successful career needs to put down the bong. Stewart was expected to rewrite the record books, failed miserably based...

Anyone who thinks Stewart had a more successful career needs to put down the bong. Stewart was expected to rewrite the record books, failed miserably based on expectations and promise. Reed flew halfway around the world with no expectations and challenged and beat the best through multiple generations and rewrote the record books on what a career can be.

Mr. G wrote:

uneasy_rider wrote:

Everyone always talks about this race, but they never mention how Reed had just came back from shoulder surgery. Cherry picking and half truths.

FlickitFlat wrote:

So you are leaving out the half truth that Reed called him out. Said the reason he hadn't been able to pressure JS was because he...

So you are leaving out the half truth that Reed called him out. Said the reason he hadn't been able to pressure JS was because he hadn't started out front with him. He said something along the lines that if he started up front with Stewart that he was going to be the one that comes out on top. Stewart's response was the video above.

Crush wrote:

Lotta posts here talking about 10 years ago plus. It's about what right now could be. Reed has a podium this year and is 7th in...

Lotta posts here talking about 10 years ago plus. It's about what right now could be.

Reed has a podium this year and is 7th in points. James is well retired and in most recent history last we saw him in 2016 it wasn't pretty, he would have loved to have been riding like Reed is now.

JMR1976 wrote:

If he is in shape no problem!

ruy wrote:

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RandyS wrote:

Anyone who thinks Stewart had a more successful career needs to put down the bong. Stewart was expected to rewrite the record books, failed miserably based...

Anyone who thinks Stewart had a more successful career needs to put down the bong. Stewart was expected to rewrite the record books, failed miserably based on expectations and promise. Reed flew halfway around the world with no expectations and challenged and beat the best through multiple generations and rewrote the record books on what a career can be.

IceMan446 wrote:

Define success

Nuffsaid wrote:

JS7 always wins the pretend races, not fair

DirtDiggler867 wrote:

He'd be winning, top 3, or crashing. You can use the guys he raced with in those final years as a barometer, even in 2014 (after...

He'd be winning, top 3, or crashing.

You can use the guys he raced with in those final years as a barometer, even in 2014 (after 12 years of racing professionally). Guys like Roczen, Barcia, Brayton, Reed, Tomac, Peick, Friese, Blose, etc. Not to mention Villopoto, and Dungey. Stewart smoked all of them in numerous SX and MX races. A couple times he even worked his way from almost last all the way to 1st, finishing with a sizable gap ahead of 2nd. (Toronto 2014 comes to mind)

Villopoto says the fastest guy he's ever raced against is James Stewart. Carmichael said the same thing back in 2006 or 2007.

If JS7 came back at even his 2014 speed he would absolutely dominate the current 450 class...Glory days JS speed? No question

Guys racing in 2019 didn't suddenly gain a bunch of speed and skill after multiple years of finishing 4th-12th. The tracks are FASTER, and the bikes are improving. Guys get hurt easier now because the track allows for faster speeds through rythyme sections. That's why you constantly hear racers saying they're tired of the "cookie cutter tracks"

RandyS wrote:

Anyone who thinks Stewart had a more successful career needs to put down the bong. Stewart was expected to rewrite the record books, failed miserably based...

Anyone who thinks Stewart had a more successful career needs to put down the bong. Stewart was expected to rewrite the record books, failed miserably based on expectations and promise. Reed flew halfway around the world with no expectations and challenged and beat the best through multiple generations and rewrote the record books on what a career can be.