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agn5009 2/17/2019 8:47pm
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soggy wrote:
IMO if your gonna call out bowers for this blatant take out you gotta call out osbourne for his blatant take out on Savatgy in 17...
IMO if your gonna call out bowers for this blatant take out you gotta call out osbourne for his blatant take out on Savatgy in 17. for the championship or not call it what it is
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I don't have a problem with either, I do think the inconsistency is fucked though. Oldenburg & Martin minutes after, no dramas. Same result.
It’s simple. Oldenburgs wasn’t intentional. He got out of control. It was an accident. He wasn’t trying to take Martin out. Bowers was intentionally trying to take Barcia out.

And for the record, I don’t think Bowers should have been disqualified. I think he should have been fined or been given the last gate pick in the LCQ or something. Shit I don’t know what his penalty should have been. All I know is guys shouldn’t be going for the kill shot with the intent to harm another.
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agn5009 2/17/2019 8:53pm
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DonM wrote:
Too many people are blinded by their dislike of Bowers and not seeing/understanding the true issue...Gallagher has had a history of poor decisions, biased and emotional/angry...
Too many people are blinded by their dislike of Bowers and not seeing/understanding the true issue...Gallagher has had a history of poor decisions, biased and emotional/angry behavior that should not be a part of what an official does. In the past he had too much singular power...just ask Reed what he thinks...It’s time to have a committee/council to make these calls and they as a group decide the fate/penalties...pretty simple.
I don’t think many will argue that. There should be a group of people who can make good, sound and fast decisions in these situations. It’s kind of a separate issue though. Bowers is essentially piggy backing off of the powers to be to take pressure off of himself and his dumb decision. What he did was premeditated. Bowers was waiting for that perfect moment to get even with Barcia. We don’t need that stuff in our sport.
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2/17/2019 9:15pm Edited Date/Time 2/18/2019 2:09am
soggy wrote:
IMO if your gonna call out bowers for this blatant take out you gotta call out osbourne for his blatant take out on Savatgy in 17...
IMO if your gonna call out bowers for this blatant take out you gotta call out osbourne for his blatant take out on Savatgy in 17. for the championship or not call it what it is
Crush wrote:
I don't have a problem with either, I do think the inconsistency is fucked though. Oldenburg & Martin minutes after, no dramas. Same result.
agn5009 wrote:
It’s simple. Oldenburgs wasn’t intentional. He got out of control. It was an accident. He wasn’t trying to take Martin out. Bowers was intentionally trying to...
It’s simple. Oldenburgs wasn’t intentional. He got out of control. It was an accident. He wasn’t trying to take Martin out. Bowers was intentionally trying to take Barcia out.

And for the record, I don’t think Bowers should have been disqualified. I think he should have been fined or been given the last gate pick in the LCQ or something. Shit I don’t know what his penalty should have been. All I know is guys shouldn’t be going for the kill shot with the intent to harm another.
So despite the outcome being the same to the person being hit, it's just whether or not we can assume intent because of a past event (assumably and apparently free from repercussions) or because the perp admits after?

Is that the rule? Because that sounds like I can hit anyone and claim innocence. Which has happened... and then they interpret... and it's different for a title... and it's different if you don't party in temecula.

Just fucking review it later. If Bowers had have said he missed his brake i'd have given it to him all day because I couldn't believe you hit someone like that and give yourself no chance of riding out of it. It was clownish in execution.

I don't think either was bad. It'd be annoying as fuck, but A-Mart torpedoed Davalos... Barcia's nickname is from his behaviour... has he ever been instantly DQ'd?
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Alright geniuses. Serious question here: why wasn’t there two DQ’s ? (The other being a Yamaha?)
Because the idiot on the green bike intentionally tried to injure a rider and the guy on the blue bike accidentally over jumped and hit someone. DERP....
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tcallahan707 2/17/2019 9:49pm
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I agree with his post.

I don't think you see a factory rider DQ'd if the roles are reversed. There are clear inconsistencies with how riders are treated and incidents handled. The AMA and FIM doesn't give a shit if privateers get punted. Another body will take their place on the line and the circus rolls on.
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soggy wrote:
IMO if your gonna call out bowers for this blatant take out you gotta call out osbourne for his blatant take out on Savatgy in 17...
IMO if your gonna call out bowers for this blatant take out you gotta call out osbourne for his blatant take out on Savatgy in 17. for the championship or not call it what it is
Drtbykr wrote:
$5000 fine on that one. I think Bowers would rather take the DQ than fork over 5G.

For Zach’s, his fine was an excellent investment.
That’s a good point actually. If you assume Bowers gets a typical 10-15 finish he loses about $2400 in purse from a DQ. If he was fined $5000 like Osborne it would be twice the financial hit.
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BR8ES 2/17/2019 10:20pm
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BR8ES wrote:
Bowers is a melon head.
aeffertz wrote:
What happened to this attitude? When A Mart “took out” Forkner... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/02/17/326209/s1200_1A98CF71_C573_49BA_91F1_20832C6DF566.jpg[/img]
What happened to this attitude? When A Mart “took out” Forkner...
It's the bigger picture and historical nastiness of this dope...that is the difference. Apples to oranges example too by the way. Nice detective work though, I will give you that.
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TeamGreen 2/17/2019 10:25pm
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Some of you guys can't take Bowers's word and you run your mouths based on your own asinine speculative crap.

That pretty much defines the term "dipshit" for me.
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BR8ES 2/17/2019 10:29pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
Some of you guys can't take Bowers's word and you run your mouths based on your own asinine speculative crap. That pretty much defines the term...
Some of you guys can't take Bowers's word and you run your mouths based on your own asinine speculative crap.

That pretty much defines the term "dipshit" for me.
The dipshit brings it on himself, what else is there to point out. Oh yeah, his word...guess that speaks louder than actions.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Some of you guys can't take Bowers's word and you run your mouths based on your own asinine speculative crap. That pretty much defines the term...
Some of you guys can't take Bowers's word and you run your mouths based on your own asinine speculative crap.

That pretty much defines the term "dipshit" for me.
You have a microchip or something to decipher what he is thinking? Doing? Guess we are dipshits since we don't have that inside knowledge.
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TeamGreen 2/17/2019 10:42pm
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Make ya a deal?

Go race with these guys. Go take Barcia's shit...week after week...then address the issue with the officials & watch as NOTHING HAPPENS,

And...then...take the opportunity to give a little pay-back...

And you see how you take it when all of a sudden..."now"...it's an issue.

You DO REALIZE we're talking about "Bam Bam"...right?

As for how some of you run your mouths about Tyler: PLEASE, let me know when you plan to do that "in person"...as one of your group earlier implied...

If YOU'RE such a "bad ass"...go spew this shit at Tyler..."behind the rig"...I'm dying to see that!
Laughing

I, for one, will take the dude at his word.
The rest of you can do the full "keyboard warrior" thing & we'll continue to laugh at you.

As a side-note: y'all have some extremely short and selective memories.
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BR8ES 2/17/2019 10:52pm
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Here we go... is he Rambo too? Do you know who these keyboard warriors are? Does he? Love this, let's meet out back bull shit. By your own words and reasoning, you shouldn't be here either...fuck, Vital shouldn't be either.
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JB 19 2/18/2019 4:27am
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Me thinks that all the drama from Limegate is what got Tyler the boot. Big picture people.
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People are too soft these days.
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Cliff notes.

I warned the AMA about dirty riding.
I rode dirty.
I got caught.
I don’t like the penalty.
Points finger.
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DonM wrote:
Too many people are blinded by their dislike of Bowers and not seeing/understanding the true issue...Gallagher has had a history of poor decisions, biased and emotional/angry...
Too many people are blinded by their dislike of Bowers and not seeing/understanding the true issue...Gallagher has had a history of poor decisions, biased and emotional/angry behavior that should not be a part of what an official does. In the past he had too much singular power...just ask Reed what he thinks...It’s time to have a committee/council to make these calls and they as a group decide the fate/penalties...pretty simple.
DKmxFAN wrote:
No don we see the issue with Jon.... and it may be inconsistent. But should all pros t bone the shit out of everyone? Especially 5...
No don we see the issue with Jon.... and it may be inconsistent. But should all pros t bone the shit out of everyone? Especially 5 days literally after saying they are trying to make racing a safer sport? He is completely out of line from the bowers I heard on Monday. I think blaming Jon is ridiculous and bowers the badass knows he fucked up.
If multiple riders have complained to "the" official about a certain riders dangerous riding/takeouts that have even resulted in injury and yet nothing has been done...this is what happens riders get frustrated and take the discipline into their own hands...We seem to forget that last year Barcia t-boned Bowers that resulted in a broken leg...if that incident was handled properly and dealt with what happened Saturday would not have happened...
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agn5009 2/18/2019 5:58am
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Crush wrote:
I don't have a problem with either, I do think the inconsistency is fucked though. Oldenburg & Martin minutes after, no dramas. Same result.
agn5009 wrote:
It’s simple. Oldenburgs wasn’t intentional. He got out of control. It was an accident. He wasn’t trying to take Martin out. Bowers was intentionally trying to...
It’s simple. Oldenburgs wasn’t intentional. He got out of control. It was an accident. He wasn’t trying to take Martin out. Bowers was intentionally trying to take Barcia out.

And for the record, I don’t think Bowers should have been disqualified. I think he should have been fined or been given the last gate pick in the LCQ or something. Shit I don’t know what his penalty should have been. All I know is guys shouldn’t be going for the kill shot with the intent to harm another.
Crush wrote:
So despite the outcome being the same to the person being hit, it's just whether or not we can assume intent because of a past event...
So despite the outcome being the same to the person being hit, it's just whether or not we can assume intent because of a past event (assumably and apparently free from repercussions) or because the perp admits after?

Is that the rule? Because that sounds like I can hit anyone and claim innocence. Which has happened... and then they interpret... and it's different for a title... and it's different if you don't party in temecula.

Just fucking review it later. If Bowers had have said he missed his brake i'd have given it to him all day because I couldn't believe you hit someone like that and give yourself no chance of riding out of it. It was clownish in execution.

I don't think either was bad. It'd be annoying as fuck, but A-Mart torpedoed Davalos... Barcia's nickname is from his behaviour... has he ever been instantly DQ'd?
You’re making things impossible. There’s a thing called common sense. Use it and I guarantee the best decision will be made.
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dickjackson170 wrote:
Wahhhhhh. I want the 2 minutes of my life back it took me to read that. I've heard him say more times than I care to...
Wahhhhhh. I want the 2 minutes of my life back it took me to read that. I've heard him say more times than I care to remember "I'm 200#'s". Who gives a shit? He thinks he's some sort of a badass ass. Truth is, he's always smashed fools like that circus show demolition derby arenacross and he's irrelevant. Loves to hear himself talk.
Exactly !!! I'm 215# who gives a shit....to me that makes him look even more ridiculous trying to pounce on guys that are 150# lol. It seems like concentrating on racing instead of being lobbyist would be in his best interest.
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Bramlett321 2/18/2019 6:08am
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soggy wrote:
IMO if your gonna call out bowers for this blatant take out you gotta call out osbourne for his blatant take out on Savatgy in 17...
IMO if your gonna call out bowers for this blatant take out you gotta call out osbourne for his blatant take out on Savatgy in 17. for the championship or not call it what it is
Drtbykr wrote:
$5000 fine on that one. I think Bowers would rather take the DQ than fork over 5G.

For Zach’s, his fine was an excellent investment.
Calihusky wrote:
That’s a good point actually. If you assume Bowers gets a typical 10-15 finish he loses about $2400 in purse from a DQ. If he was...
That’s a good point actually. If you assume Bowers gets a typical 10-15 finish he loses about $2400 in purse from a DQ. If he was fined $5000 like Osborne it would be twice the financial hit.
Osborne did not go in there to take out Savatgy, he went in to make a block pass and yes it was heated, but it wasn't a revenge move. I think that's the only difference, now if the powers that be were consistent that would be one thing. But they're not, and that's why we're on this thread arguing about this stupid shit lol.
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dickjackson170 wrote:
Wahhhhhh. I want the 2 minutes of my life back it took me to read that. I've heard him say more times than I care to...
Wahhhhhh. I want the 2 minutes of my life back it took me to read that. I've heard him say more times than I care to remember "I'm 200#'s". Who gives a shit? He thinks he's some sort of a badass ass. Truth is, he's always smashed fools like that circus show demolition derby arenacross and he's irrelevant. Loves to hear himself talk.
Bramlett321 wrote:
Exactly !!! I'm 215# who gives a shit....to me that makes him look even more ridiculous trying to pounce on guys that are 150# lol. It...
Exactly !!! I'm 215# who gives a shit....to me that makes him look even more ridiculous trying to pounce on guys that are 150# lol. It seems like concentrating on racing instead of being lobbyist would be in his best interest.
200 pounds!? I've fucked larger women.
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smoothies862 2/18/2019 6:37am
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rc actually said it very well." im glad I dont make those calls". you will never be correct.2 sides always..
also i missed when 200 lbs became the magic line into beast land lmao. I hope people realize what would happen to bowers if he walked behind the rig with a 150lb fighter. boxer,bjj. take your pick. cant we all just get along? peace and love brothers.
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agn5009 wrote:
It’s simple. Oldenburgs wasn’t intentional. He got out of control. It was an accident. He wasn’t trying to take Martin out. Bowers was intentionally trying to...
It’s simple. Oldenburgs wasn’t intentional. He got out of control. It was an accident. He wasn’t trying to take Martin out. Bowers was intentionally trying to take Barcia out.

And for the record, I don’t think Bowers should have been disqualified. I think he should have been fined or been given the last gate pick in the LCQ or something. Shit I don’t know what his penalty should have been. All I know is guys shouldn’t be going for the kill shot with the intent to harm another.
Crush wrote:
So despite the outcome being the same to the person being hit, it's just whether or not we can assume intent because of a past event...
So despite the outcome being the same to the person being hit, it's just whether or not we can assume intent because of a past event (assumably and apparently free from repercussions) or because the perp admits after?

Is that the rule? Because that sounds like I can hit anyone and claim innocence. Which has happened... and then they interpret... and it's different for a title... and it's different if you don't party in temecula.

Just fucking review it later. If Bowers had have said he missed his brake i'd have given it to him all day because I couldn't believe you hit someone like that and give yourself no chance of riding out of it. It was clownish in execution.

I don't think either was bad. It'd be annoying as fuck, but A-Mart torpedoed Davalos... Barcia's nickname is from his behaviour... has he ever been instantly DQ'd?
agn5009 wrote:
You’re making things impossible. There’s a thing called common sense. Use it and I guarantee the best decision will be made.
Your interpretation of common sense is your interpretation tho, and that’s the issue. It’s one person’s view. Where anywhere in a civilized world is that viewed as a good way to find fair rulings, best practice or common ground. The closeness of the two incidents in that turn is proof enough you can’t have one person making the call.
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Fourth_Floor wrote:
200 pounds!? I've fucked larger women.
Hahaha, totally worth reading this cry-tits thread for that jewel. For the record I liked Bowers more before I read his Instagram post but now I think he's just a handjob.
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TheNewOriginal 2/18/2019 6:57am
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Sachmo831 wrote:
The point is he made no attempt to turn. The ama can't stand by and watch blatant takouts. Most riders will atleast turn the bars and...
The point is he made no attempt to turn. The ama can't stand by and watch blatant takouts. Most riders will atleast turn the bars and give the illusion of it being "aggressive racing"
Windham - DV12... Bowers move didn't even compare. Where was that disqualification?
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drt410 2/18/2019 7:01am
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Yea the key is to READ THE WHOLE THING. He said that he doesnt disagree 100% with their decision, hes saying to just keep it consistent across the board. Hes 200lbs so when Barcia absolutely slammed into him hard enough to damage the hell out of his bike and snap his leg in half, it didnt look as bad, even though it was.

Marv demolishing Tomac was wayyy worse, Kenny taking out Webb in retaliation, Zacho taking out Savatgy on purpose for a championship, Hampshire taking out AC in retaliation... theyre big names so nothing happened. Thats what hes saying.

I think most take outs are fine, I agree with him tho just keep it consistent. At the same time human discretion is an imperfect process.
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TheNewOriginal 2/18/2019 7:20am
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TeamGreen wrote:
Make ya a deal? Go race with these guys. Go take Barcia's shit...week after week...then address the issue with the officials & watch as NOTHING HAPPENS...
Make ya a deal?

Go race with these guys. Go take Barcia's shit...week after week...then address the issue with the officials & watch as NOTHING HAPPENS,

And...then...take the opportunity to give a little pay-back...

And you see how you take it when all of a sudden..."now"...it's an issue.

You DO REALIZE we're talking about "Bam Bam"...right?

As for how some of you run your mouths about Tyler: PLEASE, let me know when you plan to do that "in person"...as one of your group earlier implied...

If YOU'RE such a "bad ass"...go spew this shit at Tyler..."behind the rig"...I'm dying to see that!
Laughing

I, for one, will take the dude at his word.
The rest of you can do the full "keyboard warrior" thing & we'll continue to laugh at you.

As a side-note: y'all have some extremely short and selective memories.
TeamGreen. Perfect response.
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Sachmo831 wrote:
He was going to send it off that berm if barcia wasn't there. Bowers looks stupid trying to argue this
aeffertz wrote:
You’re missing the point completely. Did you even read his post?
Sachmo831 wrote:
The point is he made no attempt to turn. The ama can't stand by and watch blatant takouts. Most riders will atleast turn the bars and...
The point is he made no attempt to turn. The ama can't stand by and watch blatant takouts. Most riders will atleast turn the bars and give the illusion of it being "aggressive racing"
This is why the DQ was merited.
Bowers NEVER ATTEMPTED TO STOP or MAKE THE CORNER! He straight up T-Boned him and that was his intention. Bowers head never stopped looking at the side of Barcia's bike. If he was really trying to make the corner, his head would have been looking where he wanted to go. End of Story.

DQ was EARNED.
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gabrielito 2/18/2019 7:40am
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Feld sent a message by DQ'ng Bowers. Their message had nothing to do with aggressive riding and everything to do with speaking out against them.
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DonM wrote:
Too many people are blinded by their dislike of Bowers and not seeing/understanding the true issue...Gallagher has had a history of poor decisions, biased and emotional/angry...
Too many people are blinded by their dislike of Bowers and not seeing/understanding the true issue...Gallagher has had a history of poor decisions, biased and emotional/angry behavior that should not be a part of what an official does. In the past he had too much singular power...just ask Reed what he thinks...It’s time to have a committee/council to make these calls and they as a group decide the fate/penalties...pretty simple.
DKmxFAN wrote:
No don we see the issue with Jon.... and it may be inconsistent. But should all pros t bone the shit out of everyone? Especially 5...
No don we see the issue with Jon.... and it may be inconsistent. But should all pros t bone the shit out of everyone? Especially 5 days literally after saying they are trying to make racing a safer sport? He is completely out of line from the bowers I heard on Monday. I think blaming Jon is ridiculous and bowers the badass knows he fucked up.
I am curious how people would feel if Bowers snapped Barcia's femur and took him out for the year. Is that "rub'in is rac'in"?
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agn5009 2/18/2019 7:47am
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Panic_Rev wrote:
Cliff notes.

I warned the AMA about dirty riding.
I rode dirty.
I got caught.
I don’t like the penalty.
Points finger.
This is a great post that most will ignore. Mainly because it’s 100% accurate and there’s no legitimate argument against it.
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