What really happened to Tomac?

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Lmc14 2/17/2019 5:09pm
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From what saw I there was a clip of him after falling and it looked almost like his rebound in the shock was nonexistent. The shock wasn't even compressing only bucking just my thoughts
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jcp411 2/17/2019 5:33pm
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It isn’t the bike, the bike will do whatever the rider wants it to do! Just because the rider isn’t riding it doesn’t make it the bikes fault. It’s mental!! He is either gonna figure it out or he won’t! It’s not like we all haven’t seen this same crap happen before.
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rp031x 2/17/2019 5:40pm
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I think you are all missing the point. Webbs win in Arlington was a statement. The Dungey strategy works when you don't have someone like Cooper Webb on the line who believes he can win every race. Now he knows he can come from behind and win. This series is already Webbs unless he gets hurt.
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Every picture I see of Tomac at track walk he’s sat by himself. No pics of him laughing with other riders or socializing. That’s his program. There’s an aloofness like ‘I’m above all these people.’ When he is winning that works, when he’s not there’s this panic that sets in that as he realizes that’s he’s making these crazy sacrifices and yet his program isn’t producing the results, and things snowball.

What will happen in later years? Will he learn to relax and enjoy the sport and become a fan favorite in his early 30’s? No bloody chance.
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Carri_Krause 2/17/2019 8:31pm
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uneasy_rider wrote:
He choked, plain and simple!
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Carri_Krause 2/17/2019 8:33pm
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SammyD wrote:
Every picture I see of Tomac at track walk he’s sat by himself. No pics of him laughing with other riders or socializing. That’s his program...
Every picture I see of Tomac at track walk he’s sat by himself. No pics of him laughing with other riders or socializing. That’s his program. There’s an aloofness like ‘I’m above all these people.’ When he is winning that works, when he’s not there’s this panic that sets in that as he realizes that’s he’s making these crazy sacrifices and yet his program isn’t producing the results, and things snowball.

What will happen in later years? Will he learn to relax and enjoy the sport and become a fan favorite in his early 30’s? No bloody chance.
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BikeGuy321 2/17/2019 8:35pm
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uneasy_rider wrote:
He choked, plain and simple!
Carri_Krause wrote:
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That was Villopoto's dad that passed away. Eli's dad is still alive.
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system 2/17/2019 8:38pm
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Uh, John Tomac is still alive and still a bad-ass.
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UpTiTe 2/17/2019 8:39pm
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I looked throughout the posts but did not see the real reason for Tomacs fade. Just looking for the facts, not all of the garbage I...
I looked throughout the posts but did not see the real reason for Tomacs fade. Just looking for the facts, not all of the garbage I usually see.
He hurt his back 4 weeks before the season started and it still hurts him.
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toroP 2/17/2019 8:57pm
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Oldmxer95 wrote:
I have been a Kawasaki & Tomac fan from the beginning, but am gradually moving towards the other K brand and the #2. Last night was...
I have been a Kawasaki & Tomac fan from the beginning, but am gradually moving towards the other K brand and the #2. Last night was very impressive. With this showing now, outdoors should really be fun.
I’ve notice some folks on Vital shift their support to whoever is fastest at the time.
“I’m a Tomac fan, but Webb looks faster now, so I’ll be a Webb fan.” Seems odd to me.
Tomac’s is mysterious at times, but he’s a badass. Stick with him.

I’ve been a Reed fan since 2003. After retirement, who knows. Maybe enjoy as a neutral.

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SammyD wrote:
Every picture I see of Tomac at track walk he’s sat by himself. No pics of him laughing with other riders or socializing. That’s his program...
Every picture I see of Tomac at track walk he’s sat by himself. No pics of him laughing with other riders or socializing. That’s his program. There’s an aloofness like ‘I’m above all these people.’ When he is winning that works, when he’s not there’s this panic that sets in that as he realizes that’s he’s making these crazy sacrifices and yet his program isn’t producing the results, and things snowball.

What will happen in later years? Will he learn to relax and enjoy the sport and become a fan favorite in his early 30’s? No bloody chance.
Dude isn’t social like you want him to be so judge him....I gotta quit coming on vital the opinions are getting ludacrious. Tomac is -16. It’s one damn race people. Others bad weekends will come eventually as well. it’s just the nature of supercross. Shit happens!
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Kawi15 2/17/2019 9:12pm
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SammyD wrote:
Every picture I see of Tomac at track walk he’s sat by himself. No pics of him laughing with other riders or socializing. That’s his program...
Every picture I see of Tomac at track walk he’s sat by himself. No pics of him laughing with other riders or socializing. That’s his program. There’s an aloofness like ‘I’m above all these people.’ When he is winning that works, when he’s not there’s this panic that sets in that as he realizes that’s he’s making these crazy sacrifices and yet his program isn’t producing the results, and things snowball.

What will happen in later years? Will he learn to relax and enjoy the sport and become a fan favorite in his early 30’s? No bloody chance.
I do not think that just because you do not see pics of him being sociable and laughing means he is aloof and "above all these people" at all. Some people are not as gregarious and outgoing as others. Maybe that is Eli. Maybe he is quite content to just have his space, be quiet and study the day as opposed to entertaining everybody else and being completely unprepared to race. You might see it as aloof and rude, but its possible that it is just the way he is and how he prepares for the day.
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SammyD 2/17/2019 9:52pm
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SammyD wrote:
Every picture I see of Tomac at track walk he’s sat by himself. No pics of him laughing with other riders or socializing. That’s his program...
Every picture I see of Tomac at track walk he’s sat by himself. No pics of him laughing with other riders or socializing. That’s his program. There’s an aloofness like ‘I’m above all these people.’ When he is winning that works, when he’s not there’s this panic that sets in that as he realizes that’s he’s making these crazy sacrifices and yet his program isn’t producing the results, and things snowball.

What will happen in later years? Will he learn to relax and enjoy the sport and become a fan favorite in his early 30’s? No bloody chance.
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I do not think that just because you do not see pics of him being sociable and laughing means he is aloof and "above all these...
I do not think that just because you do not see pics of him being sociable and laughing means he is aloof and "above all these people" at all. Some people are not as gregarious and outgoing as others. Maybe that is Eli. Maybe he is quite content to just have his space, be quiet and study the day as opposed to entertaining everybody else and being completely unprepared to race. You might see it as aloof and rude, but its possible that it is just the way he is and how he prepares for the day.
You could very well be right. Shy/ introverted people being mischaracterized as aloof etc. I’ve heard some stories from a friend that sponsored him and dealt with his mom that make me tend to think the way I do. Maybe there is an element of both.
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Sierra Ranger 2/17/2019 11:43pm
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Lmc14 wrote:
From what saw I there was a clip of him after falling and it looked almost like his rebound in the shock was nonexistent. The shock...
From what saw I there was a clip of him after falling and it looked almost like his rebound in the shock was nonexistent. The shock wasn't even compressing only bucking just my thoughts
Ding Ding!
Right when Ralph was asking RC what was wrong with the bike, I was looking closely- Tomac went into a turn and it looked like the rear end wasn't settling at all. Now that you mention it also, it makes me wonder. I really have no idea, but the back end did look weird.
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He doesn't look very confortable on the bike in my opinion. Eli's body seems stiff (As is bike), his corner speed is not crazy, he is not good in the whoops, may be because back issue, I don't know but this is not the Eli 2017/18 for sure.

Hard to know.




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drt410 2/18/2019 2:18am
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rp031x wrote:
I think you are all missing the point. Webbs win in Arlington was a statement. The Dungey strategy works when you don't have someone like Cooper...
I think you are all missing the point. Webbs win in Arlington was a statement. The Dungey strategy works when you don't have someone like Cooper Webb on the line who believes he can win every race. Now he knows he can come from behind and win. This series is already Webbs unless he gets hurt.
Exactly. The Dungey strategy worked with everybody... except Villopoto. Villopoto doesnt get enough credit for being just as consistent, but consistently winning. For some reason the “consistent” tag only gets thrown on podium guys. Villopoto was the most consistent guy there was for 4 straight years. The Dungey strategy only works on guys that arent consistently winning, holeshotting, and podiuming.

Its funny how everybody wanted to do the Dungey strategy this year.... until Webb decided to do the Villopoto strategy.
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TVMX867 2/18/2019 2:30am
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Oldmxer95 wrote:
I have been a Kawasaki & Tomac fan from the beginning, but am gradually moving towards the other K brand and the #2. Last night was...
I have been a Kawasaki & Tomac fan from the beginning, but am gradually moving towards the other K brand and the #2. Last night was very impressive. With this showing now, outdoors should really be fun.
Tomac & Kawi relationship was far from the beginning.
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Cortami79 2/18/2019 2:35am
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I think what happened to tomac was that he was a little out of his comfort zone to match the amazing pace Roczen was carrying around the track. He pushed a little too hard and made that mistake. After that mistake he couldn't get a rhytm probably and wasn't able to get back. Everyone that has raced knows this problem, sometimes you try as hard as you can but your race is 'over' after a simple crash. We've seen Tomac doing incredible things after a simple crash and this weekend it didn't happen. He is still in the championship hunt ofcourse, but he can't afford anymore of these nights
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SammyD wrote:
Every picture I see of Tomac at track walk he’s sat by himself. No pics of him laughing with other riders or socializing. That’s his program...
Every picture I see of Tomac at track walk he’s sat by himself. No pics of him laughing with other riders or socializing. That’s his program. There’s an aloofness like ‘I’m above all these people.’ When he is winning that works, when he’s not there’s this panic that sets in that as he realizes that’s he’s making these crazy sacrifices and yet his program isn’t producing the results, and things snowball.

What will happen in later years? Will he learn to relax and enjoy the sport and become a fan favorite in his early 30’s? No bloody chance.
Did you listen to him on the Whiskey Throttle Show? If you havnt, that may change your thoughts on him.
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RJMX834 2/18/2019 6:29am
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Championship doesn't start until Daytona. If Tomac can somehow make a few points on Webb or keep the points gap where its at by then, i think itll be a whole new series. Whose favorite SX track is Daytona...ET's.
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I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to speculating on what's going on with some of these guys but just my observations from watching him over the years is he doesn't seem to do well at trying to manage a championship.

Eli seems to strive (in SX anyways) when it appears like the championship is almost out of reach so all he has to do is concentrate on each individual race to try to at least rack up race wins. I think if I were on the team I'd be telling him to just forget about the championship, play it off like who gives a shit if you win it or not, and just focus on race wins. It seems if he makes a bobble like this past weekend he goes into points management mode and it fucks with his flow like he's concentrating way too hard on not making anymore mistakes vs getting back to the front.

He clearly performs way better under minimal pressure so the team should be doing some reverse psychology type shit to take some of the pressure off the dude.
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BobPA 2/18/2019 6:58am
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RJMX834 wrote:
Championship doesn't start until Daytona. If Tomac can somehow make a few points on Webb or keep the points gap where its at by then, i...
Championship doesn't start until Daytona. If Tomac can somehow make a few points on Webb or keep the points gap where its at by then, i think itll be a whole new series. Whose favorite SX track is Daytona...ET's.
The championship starts at A1. All rounds pay points. The points do not reset at Daytona.
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RJMX834 wrote:
Championship doesn't start until Daytona. If Tomac can somehow make a few points on Webb or keep the points gap where its at by then, i...
Championship doesn't start until Daytona. If Tomac can somehow make a few points on Webb or keep the points gap where its at by then, i think itll be a whole new series. Whose favorite SX track is Daytona...ET's.
I agree with this to an extent.

It would have been so much better for Kenny and Marv had they stayed in front of Webb. Webb just kept going the same speed, everyone else tailed off, though Kenny picked it up a bit because he needed to.

Being 16 down for Eli isn't the end of the world, but right now Webb is the man to beat. Time for the veterans to get on it, before it's too late. Webb should not have won that race. If you are Kenny or Marv you CAN NOT let him by.
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He sure talked big on the pulp show. His back was 100%, and made magic changes on his bike and was going to be back to winning everything. Maybe back to the test track?
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Keith72 2/18/2019 7:53am
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Maybe he can go back to the 2018 bike with the 2019 plastic. About the time they have the old bike figured out the have to scrap it and start over with a new one.
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BobPA wrote:
The championship starts at A1. All rounds pay points. The points do not reset at Daytona.
The whole series starts at Daytona and Dungey strategy thing is getting really old. People just love to take these stupid clichés and run with them like they are a real thing. Can anyone think for themselves anymore?!
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TY838 2/18/2019 7:57am
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RG1 wrote:
How many of these threads has there been about Tomac over the last few years? From the outside looking in, it seems like he just falls...
How many of these threads has there been about Tomac over the last few years? From the outside looking in, it seems like he just falls apart when something goes wrong. Maybe there has been a legitimate reason for it happening each and everytime, but we never hear it, and it happens that often that he does nothing to prove me wrong
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I also think we compare him to riders that manage their bad nights much better. He is just not that guy... when it goes wrong for...
I also think we compare him to riders that manage their bad nights much better.

He is just not that guy... when it goes wrong for him... it goes really wrong and it doesn’t seem like he is good at fighting to minimize damage.

I just really hope it doesn’t end up being the Webb show. The not knowing who is gonna win week after week is fun.

Back on topic... he doesn’t seem to want to reveal an injury and the team doesnt talk about mechanical issues so I wonder if we will hear anything at all.
Reluctant as I am to agree with this, its totally true. I have never bought into the whole "Tomac is a headcase and can't close the deal" garbage but the one big knock to his game always seems to be if he tips over somewhere on the track his race is just immediately done. I get it sometimes the bike gets broken or there is a legitimate injury but other riders seem to fall and be hurt and DNF or they get back up and continue, Eli gets up and fades back thru the field. Odd.
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RJMX834 2/18/2019 9:28am
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RJMX834 wrote:
Championship doesn't start until Daytona. If Tomac can somehow make a few points on Webb or keep the points gap where its at by then, i...
Championship doesn't start until Daytona. If Tomac can somehow make a few points on Webb or keep the points gap where its at by then, i think itll be a whole new series. Whose favorite SX track is Daytona...ET's.
BobPA wrote:
The championship starts at A1. All rounds pay points. The points do not reset at Daytona.
We all know they do not "reset". My point is if you can be within reach of the points lead and go on a run, you'll be in a good spot if you can gain some steam. Also, soft deep rutted tracks ET seems to excel on. Hopefully the 2nd half of the rounds help ET climb back into it, but he's gotta gain some momentum first.
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motomad724 2/18/2019 9:43am
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From what i heard the rut grabbed the side knobbies and sucked him in. Blame the rut, or maybe the knobbies...Huh
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