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Not true unless you store it long enough in an place where it can absorb water.
You can use straight vp street blaze 100 octane if you want, and it is around $9.00 a gallon, but you need to make sure your jetting is correct for any fuel you use. Shell also has a similar product at some stations.
They are listed as having ethanol free gas, 93 octane.
1. Please post the data from any scientific tests you got this "fact" from that shows exactly why ethanol free fuel is "better" for dirt bikes, or what parts ethanol can damage on a dirt bike other than rubber seals the alcohol comes in contact with that are not alcohol resistant, or possibly, eventually, the metal in an aluminum or zinc carburetor or aluminum fuel tank under the right conditions.
I suggest you also call VP Racing Fuels, and all the other race fuel mfg's, and tell them their fuels that contain ethanol are "bad" for dirt bikes so they should stop making it for them.
Also, I never knew that "dirtbikes" was supposed to be all one word. I have been mistakenly putting a space between the words "dirt" and "bikes" all this time, therefore, I thank you for showing me the proper way to spell it.
"Go pick apart someone elses responses."
2. If you want to censor what others post and dictate what they can and can not post, I suggest you move to a country that encourages that. In general, internet forums are for the unrestricted exchange of ideas and facts when facts are known and available, therefore, I will in FACT continue to post both whenever I feel like it.
"Like i wrote originally, its not going to cause issues if its 10%."
3. You never mentioned 10% prior to my original post.
"Ethanol free fuel is better for dirtbikes. Thats a fact.
If you can get it, use it over 10% ethanol.
Like i wrote originally, its not going to cause issues if its 10%."
4. These "statements" combined are illogical and contradict each other. Please try to write in a coherent manner so that those of us with a lower intellect than you can understand what you are attempting to say.
5. If someone is using fuel with ethanol and is concerned about it possibly damaging their engine, they can look into using a fuel additive that is supposed to reduce or eliminate any damage ethanol could possibly do, but I suggest you do some research on any of these products before just dumping it in with any of that crappy ol' VP Racing Fuel that contains alcohol if you happen to be using one of theirs that does.
Ethanol is corrosive to aluminum and is not compatible with some rubber seals.
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But to answer the OP question, yes mix away.
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Now before kbb flames me, this was the base for almost every race fuel for a very long time, and is still suggested by many reputable builders.
About 5 -seconds into a google search of ethanol related corrosion and the above article details the experience of a carbed motorcycle experiencing ethanol related corrosion.
I would think that the small engine mechanics that have worked in the industry before and after the implementation of E10 fuel would "equate to the actual facts" of ethanol related corrosion problems.
Use whatever fuel you want to, all I am doing is posting facts and info based upon 50 years of personal experience.
People that blindly believe everything that is written in these types of magazines are not doing themselves any favors, and are also doing a great disservice to others by claiming something is a "fact" just because they read it in a magazine.
"About 5 -seconds into a google search of ethanol related corrosion and the above article details the experience of a carbed motorcycle experiencing ethanol related corrosion."
So since they mentioned a part contained inside a metal fuel tank and not the aluminum carburetor, it suggests that the carb was perfectly fine after using ethanol fuel in it for 19 years. That's good to know but no surprise to me, and it proves part of my point.
In addition, I have seen and replaced many rusty fuel senders and rusty fuel tanks in vehicles that never had a drop of ethanol in them, so there ya go.
While we are on facts, seemingly you dismissed the relationship from the production of acetic acid, which is a huge corrosion initiator, from ethanol by a biochemical process. I'm guessing chemistry is not based in facts either?
If I read correctly, the story I linked laid out the conditions for the corrosion. Did I read it wrong?
If ethanol was not a problem, then why do we have flex fuel vehicles that were specifically made with newer materials that handled the ethanol fuel problem? Logic or facts might dictate that the auto manufactures spent millions to develop flex fuel vehicles and materials because of exactly the problems we are discussing. Yes, there is a time function to the corrosion issue and if we were not talking about dirt bikes that sometimes get stored away due to a variety of reasons, then I would not really even have wasted my time arguing the point. But just like lawn equipment, dirt bikes sometimes are stored for extended periods of time, and thus, best practice would to not store them with an ethanol based fuel in the tank. Not sure how much more clearly I can make this...oh wait...I could spew my credentials and experience and hope someone values that over a clearly laid out argument.
Yup, you sure did read it wrong.
"So how did the fuel pump assembly get corroded? If the fuel was non-ethanol based, then why would there be corrosion in a water free environment?".
You are still missing the point and obviously never will get it, so the following is for those that are interested.
As far as the harley article is concerned, the article did NOT state the harley was stored in a moisture free environment. I also did not state that the corrosion on the fuel tanks and senders I replaced was not caused by moisture.
If you leave alcohol in an open container, or in a closed one that can get condensation on the inside of it, it will absorb some moisture, but guess what, so will some other fluids, like some brake fluids for just one example, and I bet lots of people have brake fluid in their vehicles. The more moisture alcohol is exposed to, the more it will attract. Knowing this, it is simple logic to store it in a way that minimizes or eliminates its ability to absorb moisture. If a vehicle is stored where it is exposed to moisture, some of the metal parts will corrode without there being any alcohol anywhere near it.
If one uses fuel with alcohol, store it where it won't be exposed to moisture if possible. If one is not going to use their motorcycle or atv for a few months, and they are using fuel with alcohol, drain the tank and also drain the carb if it has one. This is also a good idea even if they are not using fuel with alcohol. Do NOT leave fuel that contains alcohol out in the rain, or in the snow, or inside your tropical, steamy, humid garage if you live in Florida etc. Also, I would be hesitant to use it if is over around 3 months old, irregardless of how it was stored.
Focusing on a few isolated incidents when in FACT there are literally MILLIONS of vehicles that have been using fuel with alcohol in them for many years and they still run just fine, is not useful.
The sky is not falling and fuel with ethanol will not dissolve your bike (unless maybe you have a harley, lol) or atv, or car, or truck, or lawn mower, or weed eater etc, into a molten pile of scrap metal, IF one uses even a modicum of common sense.
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