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12/6/2018 11:17am Edited Date/Time 12/6/2018 11:17am


xmas came early, just in time for Baja trip this weekend!
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12/6/2018 1:13pm
GPrider wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/12/06/307881/s1200_IMG_3322_1.jpg[/img] xmas came early, just in time for Baja trip this weekend!


xmas came early, just in time for Baja trip this weekend!
i wish i could like this post more than once
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12/6/2018 1:18pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Is that Lucerne?
Yes sir! Cougar Buttes
Haven't been out there in so long. I miss it. Always loved riding there and brings back so many memories of my grandpa and a few years later my dad putting on the races for So Cal MC. Some good memories out there!
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12/6/2018 1:32pm
GPrider wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/12/06/307881/s1200_IMG_3322_1.jpg[/img] xmas came early, just in time for Baja trip this weekend!


xmas came early, just in time for Baja trip this weekend!
Nice! Set the sag at 107mm and have a great trip!

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Nice! Set the sag at 107mm and have a great trip!
will do, thanks!!!
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12/6/2018 2:25pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Is that Lucerne?
Yes sir! Cougar Buttes
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Haven't been out there in so long. I miss it. Always loved riding there and brings back so many memories of my grandpa and a few...
Haven't been out there in so long. I miss it. Always loved riding there and brings back so many memories of my grandpa and a few years later my dad putting on the races for So Cal MC. Some good memories out there!
Yes thats out at Cougar Buttes in Johnson Valley. It is a great place to ride around, but personally staging out of there isnt the best choice. Its too close to town and the local's if you know what I mean.

You're better off driving up north a little further to Anderson or North Anderson. Its a lot more private and you dont have to worry about your stuff.
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12/6/2018 2:36pm
Yes sir! Cougar Buttes
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Haven't been out there in so long. I miss it. Always loved riding there and brings back so many memories of my grandpa and a few...
Haven't been out there in so long. I miss it. Always loved riding there and brings back so many memories of my grandpa and a few years later my dad putting on the races for So Cal MC. Some good memories out there!
2stroked wrote:
Yes thats out at Cougar Buttes in Johnson Valley. It is a great place to ride around, but personally staging out of there isnt the best...
Yes thats out at Cougar Buttes in Johnson Valley. It is a great place to ride around, but personally staging out of there isnt the best choice. Its too close to town and the local's if you know what I mean.

You're better off driving up north a little further to Anderson or North Anderson. Its a lot more private and you dont have to worry about your stuff.
It's be years since I've been out there. Like 2002 or 2003. Locals pretty interesting people? lol
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12/6/2018 3:50pm Edited Date/Time 12/6/2018 4:06pm
If you have descent desert riding skills buy your way onto an existing team, makes the learning curve and amount of crap you need to buy/prepare for easier. There are always sportsman teams looking for good riders especially if they bring money plus it will lower your expenses.

One thing I don't think I saw mentioned is invest in a good steering stabilizer.

Plan on taking the week off before any SCORE race so you can prerun your section several times and even though you preran it will change shapes several times by race day due to the amount of prerun traffic.

Watch out for cows, booby traps, and drunk locals going the wrong way on the course. Check Instgram for several examples of all of the above.

If you do race and a helicopter buzzes (fans) you get off the course. This is a warning that trucks are coming within seconds. You'll only get that courtesy notice from Trophy Truck teams, Class 1 and lower don't have helo's. Nothing like the sound of 800hp on 3' of suspension with 40" tires bearing down on you.

SF250, hot, endless whoops.

BAJA 500, can be hot depending on which way they run the course, 2 riders died two years ago due to the heat. Bikes start in the dark so good lights are mandatory. Unless you are as fast as the 7X team (look it up) plan on being caught by the Trophy Trucks and Class 1 cars.

Ensenada 300, this is a new race for 2019 on existing routes. Similar to SF250 minus the whoops.

BAJA 1000, Bikes will start and most likely finish in the dark so good lights are mandatory. Plan on being caught buy the first 5-7 classes of four wheel truck/cars.

There's a lot I'm forgetting. If any of the above scares you there are a lot of tour groups that operate in Baja that can take you on sane to insane trail rides, if it doesn't then get out your check book cause you're going to spend some money and let us know how it goes.

Love Baja.

Be safe.

*EDIT, and unless your a Baja regular don't eat any local food prior to race day for obvious reasons. Prerunning, eat up, lotta amazing food down south.
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12/6/2018 4:56pm
Some great advice here...

I raced down there on a motorcycle with SCORE from '79-81 and it was some of the best racing I have ever done. Just do it! It is an incredible experience.

Get some experience running 100-150 mile races in your area first.

Best advice I ever got was before my first Baja 500 from Bryan Farnsworth. "Go maybe 80%...it is a marathon."
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12/6/2018 5:25pm
Walter wrote:
Some great advice here... I raced down there on a motorcycle with SCORE from '79-81 and it was some of the best racing I have ever...
Some great advice here...

I raced down there on a motorcycle with SCORE from '79-81 and it was some of the best racing I have ever done. Just do it! It is an incredible experience.

Get some experience running 100-150 mile races in your area first.

Best advice I ever got was before my first Baja 500 from Bryan Farnsworth. "Go maybe 80%...it is a marathon."
You’re going back, again, too.

Signed,

The Old Guy Syndicate
12/6/2018 7:03pm
It’s a race that fascinates me being from another country, very different to the desert races in Australia. The other thing I had always been curious about (until reading someone’s post on this thread) was the continuing use of the Honda 450X when there is other brands that are more modern with a ton of desert race parts available. Good thread ?
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12/7/2018 8:27am
mattyhamz2 wrote:
It's be years since I've been out there. Like 2002 or 2003. Locals pretty interesting people? lol
Interesting is a very nice way of putting it. Cougar Buttes is within eye sight of lucerne valley. Its a nice little desert town, but it has its fair share of tweakers in the area. They know the people who come out to go riding have toys that aren't cheap.

If you stay around camp thats fine. For guys like me we stage, unload, and generally go ride 40-50 miles. That 1-2 hours were gone is more than enough time to get picked clean. Its happened more than it should unfortunately.
12/7/2018 9:08am
mattyhamz2 wrote:
It's be years since I've been out there. Like 2002 or 2003. Locals pretty interesting people? lol
2stroked wrote:
Interesting is a very nice way of putting it. Cougar Buttes is within eye sight of lucerne valley. Its a nice little desert town, but it...
Interesting is a very nice way of putting it. Cougar Buttes is within eye sight of lucerne valley. Its a nice little desert town, but it has its fair share of tweakers in the area. They know the people who come out to go riding have toys that aren't cheap.

If you stay around camp thats fine. For guys like me we stage, unload, and generally go ride 40-50 miles. That 1-2 hours were gone is more than enough time to get picked clean. Its happened more than it should unfortunately.
That's exactly what we would do out there also, but we would stay for the entire weekend. I forget exactly where we would camp, but it was right where all the clubs would camp for the National weekends. I miss that place a lot.
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12/7/2018 9:52am
Yeah, I just raced the 1000 on a WR450F as part of a five-man team. Happy to answer any questions. PM me if I don't get back to this thread.
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I just got back (Sunday night 12/2) from a Chris Haines tour. We went from Ensenada (started in Ojos Negros) out to San Felipe the first day. Then San Felipe to Mike's Sky Ranch the second day. And, Mike's to Santo Tomas via the Pacific Ocean and San Vicente on the last day.

The lead rider was Santana Luna, he has raced the 1000, 36 times I believe he said and Shane Esposito (2nd this year in the 1000 I believe) was our sweep. The thing that blew me away was the pace, we had 9 "clients" and all were pretty competent, but WOW we went fast! My tracker showed the track from San Felipe to lunch at 75 miles, averaging 50.93 mph. Now, for a race that probably isn't all that fast, but for a bunch of old farts out chasing around in Baja through the sand and silt we were flying!

The bikes were all 2005-2007 Honda CRF450X's and seemed to be in pretty good shape in spite of the years of abuse they've had by rental dudes.

Go and do, I wish I had, had the bug to do it when I was younger.
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12/10/2018 7:31am
Let's talk fanny packs.... What're the essentials to carry on race day?
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Ahem...


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Xeno wrote:
Ahem... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/12/10/308867/s1200_JC_tool_kit_3_970d35ce_9979_4c75_bde4_526b65eff708_2048x2048.jpg[/img]
Ahem...


Sold.
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12/10/2018 8:58am


District 37 here in SoCal has quite a few desert races throughout the year and would be great practice before going down to Baja. Here's a video from a D37 race earlier this year at Red Mountain.
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12/11/2018 7:01am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2018 7:05am
Xeno wrote:
Ahem... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/12/10/308867/s1200_JC_tool_kit_3_970d35ce_9979_4c75_bde4_526b65eff708_2048x2048.jpg[/img]
Ahem...


Sold.
That kit is the best one stop item you can buy for desert and off road. In addition to everything in that kit, pack the following items:

-Space Blanket (will keep you cool in the sun and heat, will keep you warm if you have to spend the night. Its also highly reflective and makes it easier for search and rescue to find you)
-Dental Floss (Use the floss to make a tent out the space blanket, and tie things up)
-Cash
-Spot Tracker
-Superglue (1st aid to fill deep cuts, and fix little things if you have time to let it dry)
-Bandaids
-Small waterproof pill pocket. I keep ibuprofen, tylenol, and norco in mine.

I also use the fly racing hydro pack, and it has a nice pouch that can hold additional items. I typically carry a protein bar, granola bar, or jerky in there. Ive been stuck in the desert before, and having nothing to eat is a serious problem. Always think about what if you have to spend the night.

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12/11/2018 10:03am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2018 10:09am


Crf450x forever!
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12/11/2018 10:32am
Xeno wrote:
Ahem... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/12/10/308867/s1200_JC_tool_kit_3_970d35ce_9979_4c75_bde4_526b65eff708_2048x2048.jpg[/img]
Ahem...


Where could someone buy one of those?
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12/11/2018 12:01pm
Titan1 wrote:
Where could someone buy one of those?
Xeno wrote:
I sell the tool kits on my website: www.jcrspeedshop.com/collections/trail-tools

For a 10% discount on the tool kits, use the code "VITARD" at checkout Laughing Laughing Laughing
Much appreciated!

What is the weight difference between the steel (standard) and titanium (deluxe) wrenches?
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12/11/2018 12:06pm
Titan1 wrote:
Where could someone buy one of those?
Xeno wrote:
I sell the tool kits on my website: www.jcrspeedshop.com/collections/trail-tools

For a 10% discount on the tool kits, use the code "VITARD" at checkout Laughing Laughing Laughing
Titan1 wrote:
Much appreciated!

What is the weight difference between the steel (standard) and titanium (deluxe) wrenches?
It's a whopping 5 ounces Laughing

Also, the Ti wrenches for Japanese bikes are out-of-stock Sad
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12/11/2018 12:28pm
Xeno wrote:
I sell the tool kits on my website: www.jcrspeedshop.com/collections/trail-tools

For a 10% discount on the tool kits, use the code "VITARD" at checkout Laughing Laughing Laughing
Titan1 wrote:
Much appreciated!

What is the weight difference between the steel (standard) and titanium (deluxe) wrenches?
Xeno wrote:
It's a whopping 5 ounces Laughing

Also, the Ti wrenches for Japanese bikes are out-of-stock Sad
LOL...5 ounces?

And that's the only difference between the two packages? Or did I miss something?
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12/11/2018 12:33pm
Titan1 wrote:
LOL...5 ounces?

And that's the only difference between the two packages? Or did I miss something?
Yep. That's the only difference.
Those Ti wrench sets by themselves are now retailing for $125.00 Shocked
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12/11/2018 12:48pm
Titan1 wrote:
LOL...5 ounces?

And that's the only difference between the two packages? Or did I miss something?
Xeno wrote:
Yep. That's the only difference.
Those Ti wrench sets by themselves are now retailing for $125.00 Shocked
Got it...Thank you!

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