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I read the Racerhead on RacerX, about Davey Coombs his doubts. Does he need to go back to the two days schedule to make motocross great again and some other ideas.
But what I've learned is that the European series, where riders can compete with each other on a high level is a great proving ground. They race against the best, because you've a qualification system and sometimes you have 100 riders just for 40 places. The fight starts at time training and you learn a lot every time you enter a race. Also the tracks are real world championships tracks.
I also learned from Red Bull Straight Rhythm that people still love two strokes. So this is just a idea, maybe you could turn it back to a two day format, or you could also let the youth race on a very hard brussed and battered track on Sunday.
Schoolboy Class - Supermini - 250B or 250A (maybe both). Racing on those tracks, earning points like the European system with the big final at Loretta because that is such a nice tradition, you can't just throw that away. The best 60 in those classes are qualified or something like that, other classes keep qualifying in areas. And I know that you probably don't have to make Supermini's race Glenn Helen, but Hangtown is maybe possible. Glenn Helen with the steep downhills is maybe even to hard for Schoolboys. But other tracks such as WW Ranch, Spring Creek, Unadilla, High Point, Southwick, Washougal as penultimate round, ... Keep the tracks rough but smooth dangerous parts out, maybe Canard or a other pro can speak him mind about the difference between rough, hard and dangerous.
Also people who love two stroke or youth racing can stay for the Sunday can make it a two day event (if you keep the pro event only on Saturday).
Just a idea.
But what I've learned is that the European series, where riders can compete with each other on a high level is a great proving ground. They race against the best, because you've a qualification system and sometimes you have 100 riders just for 40 places. The fight starts at time training and you learn a lot every time you enter a race. Also the tracks are real world championships tracks.
I also learned from Red Bull Straight Rhythm that people still love two strokes. So this is just a idea, maybe you could turn it back to a two day format, or you could also let the youth race on a very hard brussed and battered track on Sunday.
Schoolboy Class - Supermini - 250B or 250A (maybe both). Racing on those tracks, earning points like the European system with the big final at Loretta because that is such a nice tradition, you can't just throw that away. The best 60 in those classes are qualified or something like that, other classes keep qualifying in areas. And I know that you probably don't have to make Supermini's race Glenn Helen, but Hangtown is maybe possible. Glenn Helen with the steep downhills is maybe even to hard for Schoolboys. But other tracks such as WW Ranch, Spring Creek, Unadilla, High Point, Southwick, Washougal as penultimate round, ... Keep the tracks rough but smooth dangerous parts out, maybe Canard or a other pro can speak him mind about the difference between rough, hard and dangerous.
Also people who love two stroke or youth racing can stay for the Sunday can make it a two day event (if you keep the pro event only on Saturday).
Just a idea.
The USA riders had a bad week, they did not forget how to race MX, holy shit get over yourselves already.
For example: EMX250 in France - Group 1 and Group 2
EMX125 in Germany: Group 1 and Group 2
That is a very high level in those feeder classes.
Bye the way: The AMA riders were almost all under preforming what makes you think that those 6 weeks between the last AMA race and the MXoN didn't do them well. But it's just a idea to give those kids more time on difficult tracks, because we haven't seen Eli Tomac-like debuts to the pro-ranks anymore.
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The MXON didn’t prove shit about either racing division. The supposed (self proclaimed) FMOTP got beat by one of his own and the US lost from poor results. In case you didn’t know it’s called racing for a reason and anything can happen. See examples in second sentence.
USA will try again next year as I am sure your country will as well...
We don’t have to try and “fix” everything when we don’t get the results we want.
so predictable, the replies, so lame.
I would have liked them to stream the qualifiers.
I've also said this one million fucking times on here.....quit making the 125 class here a joke of an exhibition race! Make it a serious series , because this is where our future in this sport is! To mock it , spit on it , laugh at it....is fucking stupid , and the GP crowd is laughing their ass off at us , because we don't take it serious! Christ they have mini classes running at some of their GP round's , never mind the WMX and EMX classes!
THIS!!.....is why we are losing , and will continue to fall behind. And we can sit there and say " Oh....they just had a bad , off- weekend ". And how many years are we going to keep saying that? When does that excuse wear out? Why is it that we are only a threat to win if the dirt is good?
Sure our top rider's are badass......but we're getting soft! Two classes in one day. They have l;ike seven classes over two days......pretty easy to figure out here.
Nothing will change as long as the US junior racing scene is built like it is now with the perfect training facilities and a handful of races with very short sprint motos. USA has still by far the biggest talent pool (and will probably always have that), work towards a similar EMX system in USA and you'll dominate MX again.
You can tell me what you want, but all that Luongo structure is maintain with dad´s money. If sponsors don´t come around with serious investment, it´s not sustainable.
IMO 2 days of racing is much better than 1, not just for the racers but for us spectators. Wouldn't you prefer to see more racing? Like Jeffro said make the 125 class into a proper series so we can see more riders like the kid who beat Villopoto. To have 125 and 250 classes like the EMX, it would develop your riders so much quicker it and tbh with the amount of riders your guys have imo you would be unstoppable in any sort of mx race.
But all this isn't possible if teams aren't on board and want to stick to 1 days racing.
What we are saying is that our system is fantastic and theirs is wrong. Honestly when I see one top guy like Horenbeek saying if I have to ride for nuts I will retire, it makes me think.
I don't know the numbers of that Monster circus las week, but I am pretty sure that a top 10 finisher, made more money in one night than most MXriders will make their whole career.
Here are the figures from the 2016 MEC so the numbers wont be 100% accurate but I imagine they are pretty similar.
1. $100,000
2. $35,000
3. $20,000
4. $15,000
5. $10,000
6. $9,000
7. $8,000
8. $7,000
9. $6,000
10. $5,000
11. $4,000
12. $3,100
13. $2,500
14. $2,350
15. $2,150
16. $2,000
17. $1,900
18. $1,800
19. $1,700
20. $1,600
21. $1,500
22. $1,400
There is EMX riders who earn 7 times that amount in a year. Please shut up
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We have been racing SX since the 70’s with split seasons so thats a non issue. What happened was the GP riders got better at jumping. We used to win on GP tracks from our SX roots. The euros figured it out. Changed their tracks and now jump shit before we do as well as tradionally been better at turning. Do with it what you will.
Villopoto said it himself in the RacerX show on Saturday night at the MXON. Training in Europe makes you faster and a better rider because even the best track there is pretty much very "shitty". And that wasn't even a insult its just a fact that most American training tracks are looking so perfect, so heavenly prepped.
So if you make the most important classes to become a pro; Supermini and 250b and 250a, at least part of the AMA National weekends, those riders will be more prepared for what is next to come. Personally I would also put the schoolboy class in it. For kids who need one (or more) year(s) extra to transfer from the Supermini to the big bikes.
If I'm not mistaken Joey Savatgy used the Schoolboy class because, after the 85cc he was already to big for the Supermini and he rode two years on a 125cc. He became Junior World Champion on a very hard and technical Italian track. Prove that the schoolboy class can result in pro's too, because we all know where he's now.
Also if it would be the second day of the National, it would be easier for Pro team owners to stick around a day longer to check those talents out, to see how they developing. Also maybe for team coaches to already give them advice.
I think the difference between the amateur races attached to MXGP in Europe and what we have here are kind of lost in translation. We already have a de facto "amateur championship" tour with the big amateur gatherings that usually get all of the best riders in the country: the JS7 Spring National at Freestone, the Oak Hill race, Mill Creek in Alabama, the Ricky Carmichael SX at Daytona, Mammoth Mountain, Loretta Lynn's, the Baja Brawl, the reborn Ponca City race that Harold Martin is doing, the Maine Event, KROC, Monster Cup, the Mini O's and more... And we also have "amateur day" races at most nationals, we just haven't strung a series together. They race on Fridays or Sundays at every round except Thunder Valley and Southwick.
If we were to turn the outdoor national weekends into a "USMX" amateur series, I believe it would hurt amateur racing in America even more--especially with Supercross now working in that space during winter months with their new SX Futures program, which should be compelling and popular races. I don't think there are races like LL or the Mini O's or the Monster Cup in Europe, but someone on here might know?
What I believe would immediately help is, for starters, to have longer motos at these amateur events for A classes, just like we do at Loretta's -- and that includes our own regionals and qualifiers. We also should maybe look into a minimum mandatory number of races that one must attend before entering the LL program or SX Futures in order to get some of these kids racing more and not just riding at training facilities. I get why kids do this--it's the MX equivalent of red-shirting, or dropping down a grade--but it's something I wish we could fix because it's hurting local tracks, local races, local districts and local dealerships...
As for MXMatti's suggestion on the 125 class, here is the conundrum (besides not enough time in the day for a real third class): When it gets super-serious, which it will in a hurry, is that the end of the fun and participation for Ryan Villopoto and Ryan Sipes and Darryn Durham and Will Hahn, who come out of retirement for fun? And how will that affect some of the other big amateur races (and tracks) that count on that big turnout?
There's your utopia, MXMatti... Sloane wants new cat sweaters for Ace and Lannister. She's eleven.
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Longer motos would be great if the race promoters didn't mirror the same number of classes available at LL. This past Sunday, racing started at 8:30, 24 motos, didn't finish until 6pm with 4 lap motos. Lap times were between 1:50-2:40 depending on the class. Throw a lunch break in and some track prep and it makes for a long day.
I agree longer motos are needed.
But, he's obviously got a heck of a lot on his plate.
As for worrying about the 'loss' of say, Ryan Villopoto and Ryan Sipes and Darryn Durham and Will Hahn, etc, instead of a full, real 125 race series? Let's have that 'loss'. A Real, 125 race series is better for the health of racing. You could have, say, a 250 2t exhibition race, if you want retirees out there.
And, from what I see, with Thursday Media days, there's still a lot of time spent at the track for teams and riders. I can't imagine any are not there on a full Friday.
Yes, you've got TV constraints and scheduling for the 2 main classes, but there's a full day on Saturday, as well as Friday. And, it seems Amateur days are a Big part of the Nationals. Fair enough, it probably is a big earner for the tracks, and perhaps DC & Co, but the prime thing, should be the Nationals being raced.
And, as ever, DC, please bring in Equivalency - be brave, and face up to those that want to continue handicap class racing. Please, and Thank You!
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