Motocross of Nations - Qualifying Discussion

Bramlett321 wrote:

Were you watching that at all? AP cross rutted on the face of a triple going balls out!! this guy was cool as a cucumber that...

Were you watching that at all? AP cross rutted on the face of a triple going balls out!! this guy was cool as a cucumber that wasn’t a pressure induced mistake!! My only gripe in anything about our team is I wish that Tomac would have been on his old bike. Calm down this isn’t over.

clinthadwin wrote:

AP cross rutted and went from 1st to 11th. I know that wasn't pressure induced, but it's still a mistake. In a sport that is driven...

AP cross rutted and went from 1st to 11th. I know that wasn't pressure induced, but it's still a mistake. In a sport that is driven by who makes the least mistakes...we lost. I get that it's only tomorrow that matters. We have, what, 9th and 29th pick tomorrow?

So what do we do?

Moto 1: ET pick 9, AP pick 29?
Moto 2: AP pick 9, JB pick 29?
Moto 3: ET pick 9, JB pick 29?

First moto, AP gets 2nd after a solid start. Calling that shit. ET finishes 3rd after coming back from like 11th.
Second moto, AP wins, JB gets 3rd after being a badass and coming from behind.
Third moto, ET gets 2nd, JB gets 4th.

I think we make the podium. But winning is a tall order right now. If I'm wrong, I'll personally fly to wherever you are and buy the beer. Happily. But I don't see us winning this MXoN.

FlaNard wrote:

Wow. We have the fastest guys in two out of three classes and you've thrown in the towel? Tough crowd. Shit happens to everyone. Multiple teams...

Wow. We have the fastest guys in two out of three classes and you've thrown in the towel? Tough crowd. Shit happens to everyone. Multiple teams can legitimately take it tomorrow. The US has as good a shot as anyone.

drt410 wrote:

This is why you have practice and qualifying, to get all that shit out of your system. Blown up bikes, cross ruts, nerves...whatever it is you...

This is why you have practice and qualifying, to get all that shit out of your system. Blown up bikes, cross ruts, nerves...whatever it is you get it out of the way. Then on race day its a new day the slate is clean and the results are 0-0-0. Thats when all that other shit goes out the window n u bring it. That being said how many freaking mechanicals can Kawi have before tomac loses trust? He had 2 front brake mechanicals in one year in supercross one that sent him over the bars, blew up a bike this year in outdoors, last year in outdoors he had to have his front brake line completely cut and then dangerously ride around like that with no front brakes, and then blows up another bike today...thats 2 this year, what the hell is going on?

At some point hes going to lose confidence that his machine is going to hold up and not lock up on the face of a jump sending him flying. How can you blow up two race bikes in 1 year and this one being the first race on the all new model? That looks terrible that the new bike blows up in its first race, hes gotta be getting sick of this. Bikes usually arent riding at 100% then catastrophically fail either someone said he was looking down Im sure it was losing power then finally went kaboom. Not a good look.

clinthadwin wrote:

Man....I was all on the Tomac train...I genuinely thought, at the very least, that he'd be battling with Cairoli and Herlings...but watching Herlings come from dead...

Man....I was all on the Tomac train...I genuinely thought, at the very least, that he'd be battling with Cairoli and Herlings...but watching Herlings come from dead last to 3rd while Tomac stayed behind Searle the entire race. I take back all my Tomac fan-boy banter. Herlings is something else. I think Tomac on his best day can absolutely hang with Herlings, but it seems like Herlings just doesn't have a bad day. That's the difference. I hope AP and JB bring home a couple moto wins tomorrow. Obviously hope that Tomac brings it tomorrow too...but now I'm just stoked to see how Herlings comes back with a vengeance tomorrow. Dude's fun to watch.


Now I just want to sleep until the races start tomorrow.

agn5009 wrote:

I honestly believe Herlings is significantly faster than Tomac. I think Tomac and Cairoli would be closeer in speed. Herlings is on another level compared to...

I honestly believe Herlings is significantly faster than Tomac. I think Tomac and Cairoli would be closeer in speed. Herlings is on another level compared to anyone in the world. Herlings is what Stewart was in the 125 class. No one will beat him anywhere in the world without a crash or mechanical.

clinthadwin wrote:

I agree with that. But I do think that Tomac on his "oh shit" days is faster than Cairoli. That being said...what Herlings did today was...

I agree with that. But I do think that Tomac on his "oh shit" days is faster than Cairoli. That being said...what Herlings did today was what we see Tomac to all year to the American boys....but these are the fastest guys in the world. To come from 30th to 3rd like that...I dunno...that was impressive. I still have enough Tomac fandom left in me to believe that he can hang....but I'm 100% not going to be surprised when/if I'm proven wrong tomorrow. My prediction is:

Herlings gets the 21st gate pick tomorrow, still starts in the top 5...Tomac is outside the top 10 on the first lap. Herlings goes on to win, Tomac finishes 5th. Cairoli is probably going to be 2nd or 3rd. Looks like Roczen might actually nab that last top 3 spot. Pretty much the same for the second moto.

The saving grace for the US is: it's obvious that Plessinger can win his class. I think he at least gets a moto, and then podiums the other.

Barcia goes 3-1 and US gets their podium this year, but gets embarrassed on home soil by NED and France.

inthebadboycorner wrote:

I cant help but wonder how Australia MAY have faired if we had Ferris and Reed.

Then but then again ........

karsmakers wrote:

I think Jeffrey, Tony and Glen are riding this track like a sand track back home. Their experts at these conditions and I don't see ET...

I think Jeffrey, Tony and Glen are riding this track like a sand track back home. Their experts at these conditions and I don't see ET bringing it unless it gets dry or super wet and he has a successful therapy session tonight.

agn5009 wrote:

I honestly believe Herlings is significantly faster than Tomac. I think Tomac and Cairoli would be closeer in speed. Herlings is on another level compared to...

I honestly believe Herlings is significantly faster than Tomac. I think Tomac and Cairoli would be closeer in speed. Herlings is on another level compared to anyone in the world. Herlings is what Stewart was in the 125 class. No one will beat him anywhere in the world without a crash or mechanical.

clinthadwin wrote:

I agree with that. But I do think that Tomac on his "oh shit" days is faster than Cairoli. That being said...what Herlings did today was...

I agree with that. But I do think that Tomac on his "oh shit" days is faster than Cairoli. That being said...what Herlings did today was what we see Tomac to all year to the American boys....but these are the fastest guys in the world. To come from 30th to 3rd like that...I dunno...that was impressive. I still have enough Tomac fandom left in me to believe that he can hang....but I'm 100% not going to be surprised when/if I'm proven wrong tomorrow. My prediction is:

Herlings gets the 21st gate pick tomorrow, still starts in the top 5...Tomac is outside the top 10 on the first lap. Herlings goes on to win, Tomac finishes 5th. Cairoli is probably going to be 2nd or 3rd. Looks like Roczen might actually nab that last top 3 spot. Pretty much the same for the second moto.

The saving grace for the US is: it's obvious that Plessinger can win his class. I think he at least gets a moto, and then podiums the other.

Barcia goes 3-1 and US gets their podium this year, but gets embarrassed on home soil by NED and France.

agn5009 wrote:

I believe tomac will have a subpar day (by his standards at least) finish around 5th. I believe Plessinger and Barcia bail him out by having...

I believe tomac will have a subpar day (by his standards at least) finish around 5th. I believe Plessinger and Barcia bail him out by having great motos and USA wins the overall. Although Coldenoff looked fantastic today and he will be hard to beat.

shaffstall721 wrote:

Did plessy have a lead when he crashed?

jeffro503 wrote:

Well , Jesus , I'm just glad we made it to the A main. At least gives us a fighting chance. :S Man , what the...

Well , Jesus , I'm just glad we made it to the A main. At least gives us a fighting chance.

Man , what the hell happened to Eli's bike?

clinthadwin wrote:

AP cross rutted and went from 1st to 11th. I know that wasn't pressure induced, but it's still a mistake. In a sport that is driven...

AP cross rutted and went from 1st to 11th. I know that wasn't pressure induced, but it's still a mistake. In a sport that is driven by who makes the least mistakes...we lost. I get that it's only tomorrow that matters. We have, what, 9th and 29th pick tomorrow?

So what do we do?

Moto 1: ET pick 9, AP pick 29?
Moto 2: AP pick 9, JB pick 29?
Moto 3: ET pick 9, JB pick 29?

First moto, AP gets 2nd after a solid start. Calling that shit. ET finishes 3rd after coming back from like 11th.
Second moto, AP wins, JB gets 3rd after being a badass and coming from behind.
Third moto, ET gets 2nd, JB gets 4th.

I think we make the podium. But winning is a tall order right now. If I'm wrong, I'll personally fly to wherever you are and buy the beer. Happily. But I don't see us winning this MXoN.

FlaNard wrote:

Wow. We have the fastest guys in two out of three classes and you've thrown in the towel? Tough crowd. Shit happens to everyone. Multiple teams...

Wow. We have the fastest guys in two out of three classes and you've thrown in the towel? Tough crowd. Shit happens to everyone. Multiple teams can legitimately take it tomorrow. The US has as good a shot as anyone.

clinthadwin wrote:

Not throwing in the towel...I already said I'd buy ALL the beer if I'm wrong. But you ask anyone on the line how they feel with...

Not throwing in the towel...I already said I'd buy ALL the beer if I'm wrong. But you ask anyone on the line how they feel with a 29th gate pick and they'll be like "well, I'm just gonna turn my wrist and hope everything hooks up." Look, I think we can win it. Obviously...it's a fuckin race, and we have a better chance than almost anyone else. But 9th qualifying makes it rough. To say the least. NED and FR are the current faves based solely off of gate pick and talent. If JB and AP sweep their motos....then we have it, no doubt. And that's ridiculously possible. But the MXGP is a wild card we have to acknowledge.

clinthadwin wrote:

I agree with that. But I do think that Tomac on his "oh shit" days is faster than Cairoli. That being said...what Herlings did today was...

I agree with that. But I do think that Tomac on his "oh shit" days is faster than Cairoli. That being said...what Herlings did today was what we see Tomac to all year to the American boys....but these are the fastest guys in the world. To come from 30th to 3rd like that...I dunno...that was impressive. I still have enough Tomac fandom left in me to believe that he can hang....but I'm 100% not going to be surprised when/if I'm proven wrong tomorrow. My prediction is:

Herlings gets the 21st gate pick tomorrow, still starts in the top 5...Tomac is outside the top 10 on the first lap. Herlings goes on to win, Tomac finishes 5th. Cairoli is probably going to be 2nd or 3rd. Looks like Roczen might actually nab that last top 3 spot. Pretty much the same for the second moto.

The saving grace for the US is: it's obvious that Plessinger can win his class. I think he at least gets a moto, and then podiums the other.

Barcia goes 3-1 and US gets their podium this year, but gets embarrassed on home soil by NED and France.

agn5009 wrote:

I believe tomac will have a subpar day (by his standards at least) finish around 5th. I believe Plessinger and Barcia bail him out by having...

I believe tomac will have a subpar day (by his standards at least) finish around 5th. I believe Plessinger and Barcia bail him out by having great motos and USA wins the overall. Although Coldenoff looked fantastic today and he will be hard to beat.

clinthadwin wrote:

Dude, yesterday, I would have said that Barcia would be the one with 20+ second gaps today. Holy fuck was I was i proven wrong. Good...

Dude, yesterday, I would have said that Barcia would be the one with 20+ second gaps today. Holy fuck was I was i proven wrong. Good on Coldenhoff. Guy was on fire today. Stoked to see how that translates to tomorrow. US still the fave though? I dunno...definitely going to be a wild day.

jeffro503 wrote:

Well , Jesus , I'm just glad we made it to the A main. At least gives us a fighting chance. :S Man , what the...

Well , Jesus , I'm just glad we made it to the A main. At least gives us a fighting chance.

Man , what the hell happened to Eli's bike?

CPR wrote:

Reed valve.

inthebadboycorner wrote:

I cant help but wonder how Australia MAY have faired if we had Ferris and Reed.

Then but then again ........

agn5009 wrote:

I believe tomac will have a subpar day (by his standards at least) finish around 5th. I believe Plessinger and Barcia bail him out by having...

I believe tomac will have a subpar day (by his standards at least) finish around 5th. I believe Plessinger and Barcia bail him out by having great motos and USA wins the overall. Although Coldenoff looked fantastic today and he will be hard to beat.

clinthadwin wrote:

Dude, yesterday, I would have said that Barcia would be the one with 20+ second gaps today. Holy fuck was I was i proven wrong. Good...

Dude, yesterday, I would have said that Barcia would be the one with 20+ second gaps today. Holy fuck was I was i proven wrong. Good on Coldenhoff. Guy was on fire today. Stoked to see how that translates to tomorrow. US still the fave though? I dunno...definitely going to be a wild day.

agn5009 wrote:

Yep Coldenoff has been sneaky great all year. He's really flown under the radar this year.

clinthadwin wrote:

That's fair. But this is not a heat race...I get what you're saying, but in situations like this it becomes apparent who's hungry...AP and JB were...

That's fair. But this is not a heat race...I get what you're saying, but in situations like this it becomes apparent who's hungry...AP and JB were clearly hungry, and showed it. But Tomac wasn't hungry today. His mechanical was shitty, but even still, he woulda ended up 5th at best...and Herlings would have VERY likely passed him. I still believe that Tomac can put it to Herlings when he's on...but his 'on' is unreliable. I haven't watched but maybe 5 or 6 races of Herlings, but it seems like home boy is always on.

clinthadwin wrote:

Dude, yesterday, I would have said that Barcia would be the one with 20+ second gaps today. Holy fuck was I was i proven wrong. Good...

Dude, yesterday, I would have said that Barcia would be the one with 20+ second gaps today. Holy fuck was I was i proven wrong. Good on Coldenhoff. Guy was on fire today. Stoked to see how that translates to tomorrow. US still the fave though? I dunno...definitely going to be a wild day.

agn5009 wrote:

Yep Coldenoff has been sneaky great all year. He's really flown under the radar this year.

St Ann More wrote:

He finished 7th overall in MXGP. That's good, but not great!

jeffro503 wrote:

Well , Jesus , I'm just glad we made it to the A main. At least gives us a fighting chance. :S Man , what the...

Well , Jesus , I'm just glad we made it to the A main. At least gives us a fighting chance.

Man , what the hell happened to Eli's bike?

CPR wrote:

Reed valve.

holyroller1 wrote:

Why was Chad doing Eli's valves

St Ann More wrote:

Totally! I meant more from a fans perspective, having the chance to see the best against the best!

agn5009 wrote:

Yep Coldenoff has been sneaky great all year. He's really flown under the radar this year.

St Ann More wrote:

He finished 7th overall in MXGP. That's good, but not great!

agn5009 wrote:

He's had some really good rides this year is what I meant. He wasn't talked about much. Obviously he's a huge threat to be the top...

He's had some really good rides this year is what I meant. He wasn't talked about much. Obviously he's a huge threat to be the top Open rider this weekend.

clinthadwin wrote:

That's fair. But this is not a heat race...I get what you're saying, but in situations like this it becomes apparent who's hungry...AP and JB were...

That's fair. But this is not a heat race...I get what you're saying, but in situations like this it becomes apparent who's hungry...AP and JB were clearly hungry, and showed it. But Tomac wasn't hungry today. His mechanical was shitty, but even still, he woulda ended up 5th at best...and Herlings would have VERY likely passed him. I still believe that Tomac can put it to Herlings when he's on...but his 'on' is unreliable. I haven't watched but maybe 5 or 6 races of Herlings, but it seems like home boy is always on.

loftyair wrote:

So, what do Americans get if only do ok? Im thinking 2-2-5? Or maybe even better? that's hard to beat.

St Ann More wrote:

He finished 7th overall in MXGP. That's good, but not great!

agn5009 wrote:

He's had some really good rides this year is what I meant. He wasn't talked about much. Obviously he's a huge threat to be the top...

He's had some really good rides this year is what I meant. He wasn't talked about much. Obviously he's a huge threat to be the top Open rider this weekend.

St Ann More wrote:

His competition is Barcia, then dudes who finished 8th, 9th, 10th, 13th, 16th, 28th and 29th in MXGP. It should be no surprise that he's a...

His competition is Barcia, then dudes who finished 8th, 9th, 10th, 13th, 16th, 28th and 29th in MXGP.

It should be no surprise that he's a contender for the Open Class victory this weekend, the competition isn't deep!

If I were a betting man; i'd say Barcia takes it tomorrow, the dark horse could be Anstie. Time will tell eh!

agn5009 wrote:

Yep Coldenoff has been sneaky great all year. He's really flown under the radar this year.

agn5009 wrote:

Yep Coldenoff has been sneaky great all year. He's really flown under the radar this year.

FillmoreSouth wrote:

To the contrary, I've always thought he lacks endurance. I was kinda shocked that he didn't fade.

agn5009 wrote:

Yep Coldenoff has been sneaky great all year. He's really flown under the radar this year.

FillmoreSouth wrote:

To the contrary, I've always thought he lacks endurance. I was kinda shocked that he didn't fade.

agn5009 wrote:

He's had some really good rides this year is what I meant. He wasn't talked about much. Obviously he's a huge threat to be the top...

He's had some really good rides this year is what I meant. He wasn't talked about much. Obviously he's a huge threat to be the top Open rider this weekend.

St Ann More wrote:

His competition is Barcia, then dudes who finished 8th, 9th, 10th, 13th, 16th, 28th and 29th in MXGP. It should be no surprise that he's a...

His competition is Barcia, then dudes who finished 8th, 9th, 10th, 13th, 16th, 28th and 29th in MXGP.

It should be no surprise that he's a contender for the Open Class victory this weekend, the competition isn't deep!

If I were a betting man; i'd say Barcia takes it tomorrow, the dark horse could be Anstie. Time will tell eh!

agn5009 wrote:

Van hoorbeek, Seewer, Nagl and Antsie are very solid and very capable of having a great race at any time.

agn5009 wrote:

Maybe. But it was only a 15 minute Moto +2 laps today I believe. Which could be why he didn't fade. He very well could have...

Maybe. But it was only a 15 minute Moto +2 laps today I believe. Which could be why he didn't fade. He very well could have a hard time going back to back motos tomorrow.