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inthebadboycorner
After listening to the Decoster pod cast it appears it may again time to change the rules and somehow again try to enforce production rules to lower costs.

Maybe a a 2000 build minimum, No Factory editions.
No exotic bolts or materials.
90 % OEM suspension with only modified parts.
All parts to be OEM based or readilly available mass produced aftermarket.

It appears every part on a modern AMA factory bike is not OEM.
I know my statement has more holes than Swiss cheese

Your thoughts?
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DoubleA 9/17/2018 1:47am
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You would for sure see a lot more privateers show up whether that is a good or bad thing because people complain about lappers a lot already.
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#434 9/17/2018 1:51am
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You forget one of the most expensive parts of modern race bikes: electronics
Spec or stock ECUs could be a way to reduce cost there.
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Sheriff245 9/17/2018 3:26am
9/17/2018 3:26am
Do you like $20,000 stock bikes? Because that’s how you get $20,000 stock bikes
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MXD 9/17/2018 5:28am
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Sheriff245 wrote:
Do you like $20,000 stock bikes? Because that’s how you get $20,000 stock bikes
Interesting point. I wonder if the factories would value winning more than market share or if they really believe that winning equals market domination regardless of the price tag.
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mxb2 9/17/2018 5:40am
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A new 450 with a little bit of work done is plenty competitive with the right rider on it. Do you think is henry miller on tomacs bike will turn him into a top 3 guy. Nope.
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motogrady 9/17/2018 7:44am
9/17/2018 7:44am Edited Date/Time 9/17/2018 7:47am
He mentioned one thing I found interesting.
That was there were issues with the pilots
having so many choices on mapping, on suspension, on start control, that they were just overwhelmed. They are getting confused on setup.
That is a good indicator that hey, maybe enough is enough. Might be time to concentrate on making the things a bit more economical to purchase for the masses.

Two things I'd like to have heard from Roger.
1. What was the training and diet those guys did back then, when it was 45 plus 2 laps?
Is it true he ate fried bread dough for breakfast on race days?

2. What has he done, what does he do, with both diet and fitness to be in the shape he's in at his age?
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seth505 9/17/2018 8:02am
9/17/2018 8:02am Edited Date/Time 9/17/2018 8:03am
motogrady wrote:
He mentioned one thing I found interesting. That was there were issues with the pilots having so many choices on mapping, on suspension, on start control...
He mentioned one thing I found interesting.
That was there were issues with the pilots
having so many choices on mapping, on suspension, on start control, that they were just overwhelmed. They are getting confused on setup.
That is a good indicator that hey, maybe enough is enough. Might be time to concentrate on making the things a bit more economical to purchase for the masses.

Two things I'd like to have heard from Roger.
1. What was the training and diet those guys did back then, when it was 45 plus 2 laps?
Is it true he ate fried bread dough for breakfast on race days?

2. What has he done, what does he do, with both diet and fitness to be in the shape he's in at his age?
There are so many variables day to day on motocross tracks, adding all these variable systems on a motocross bike is stupid. This isn't F1 where you can measure when each of the 4 corners of a car is losing traction on pavement while braking/accelerating. There are dry sections, wet sections, inconsistency in the terrain (bumps).

There are some sports that have a rawness to them (like mx) just let people learn how to ride a frickin bike and perfect the craft (imo).
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Why not raise the minimum weight limit to the weight of the lightest stock bike for the previous year, ban any ignition/mapping changes that can be done during the race, and set a RPM limit for the 250 class.
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Moto96 9/17/2018 9:15am
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early wrote:
Why not raise the minimum weight limit to the weight of the lightest stock bike for the previous year, ban any ignition/mapping changes that can be...
Why not raise the minimum weight limit to the weight of the lightest stock bike for the previous year, ban any ignition/mapping changes that can be done during the race, and set a RPM limit for the 250 class.
They need a minimum weight of rider and bike together. Like F1.

Half these guys weigh less than a chick with a decent ass and tits.. So if you're Peick, who is a normal sized dude, you're at a disadvantage everywhere, right from the gate drop.
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Sure minimum rider/bike weight would work but that may be harder to police. Random pre-event checks would probably be the way to go as ballast could be removed after tech. Point is make it so that Ti bolt kits aren't needed. Brayton won with steel bolts.

There could be a data logger clipped to the spark plugs and wire that records max rpm for the 250s. Removed from the bikes after they cross the finish line.

Let's ban start hooks too.
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inthebadboycorner 9/17/2018 11:57am
9/17/2018 11:57am
KTM makes a Factory Edition to update bikes so the race team has a better weapon, usually frame or engine.

Honda makes a Works Racer to add updated parts to sell to the Joe racer who is more cashed up. $$$$$$


It seems its a cycle that can't be stopped, if a manufacturer slowed updates to every second year they would end up in a mess similar to Suzuki.

Were Suzuki trying to slow the merry go round and it backfired?
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loftyair 9/17/2018 12:16pm
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Maybe a separate series? A manufacturer can support 2 riders, small brands included. No holds barred. The other series with bike performance restrictions. Stock stuff allowed, with a certain minimum of mods. Also, a limit on parts used. That way a 'poorer' person could 'keep up'.
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skypig 9/17/2018 4:46pm
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From a spectator POV, it all seems ok as it is.
Unlike Moto GP, where only Factory bikes can win, any cashed up team can come up with a bike good enough to win.

Previously in MotoGP you needed custom tires to win. (Manufactured and flown in over night to suit the conditions) Now they have control tires. The electronic packages are one of the biggest expenses these days. Moto GP run “control” ECUs now. To reduce costs and level the playing field.

If Brayton won without even Ti bolts, that proves the point.
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barnett468 9/17/2018 6:11pm
9/17/2018 6:11pm Edited Date/Time 9/17/2018 6:19pm
Moto96 wrote:
They need a minimum weight of rider and bike together. Like F1. Half these guys weigh less than a chick with a decent ass and tits...
They need a minimum weight of rider and bike together. Like F1.

Half these guys weigh less than a chick with a decent ass and tits.. So if you're Peick, who is a normal sized dude, you're at a disadvantage everywhere, right from the gate drop.
EVERYONE that raced against marty tripes would beg to differ with you.

Similar thing with gaylon mosier, brad lackey, goat brecker...
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Johnny Ringo 9/17/2018 6:42pm
9/17/2018 6:42pm
I don’t watch SX to watch 722 and the boys...sorry

I watch to see Eli and Kenny do the impossible on their state of the art dirt bikes
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