Gaming vs. Pro moto

mattyhamz2 9/10/2018 8:54am
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Dude..... You know the answer to this. Of course!! I would say half the girls I got with in high school and up until I met...
Dude..... You know the answer to this.

Of course!! I would say half the girls I got with in high school and up until I met my wife was because I rode. They all loved it.
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Guess I'm in the wrong country, because I had the look of a confused face and the words "what's motocross?" all through high school Laughing Laughing
Bummer dude!!
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Squirrelings 9/10/2018 9:25am
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There's a guy who works at an auto repair shop near me who was a pro gamer making big money (250k per year). He stopped because...
There's a guy who works at an auto repair shop near me who was a pro gamer making big money (250k per year). He stopped because the lousy lifestyle and stress were going to kill him by the time he was 40. He played 80 hours a week, lived on take out pizza and Mt Dew, and had type 2 diabetes by the age of 28. And the pressure to win was getting to him too, causing him to lose sleep and everything else that goes with stress, compounded by the sedentary lifestyle and lousy diet. So I'll would take MX.
Take that stress and then add the stress of your employer and possible serious injury. That's why being a top pro MX racer isn't always as enjoyable as most seem to think.
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Playing video games is not a sport. It's entertainment. The question you have to ask yourself is, do you want your kid to be an athlete...
Playing video games is not a sport. It's entertainment. The question you have to ask yourself is, do you want your kid to be an athlete or an entertainer?

Kids watching other kids play video games is one of the most depressing trends of late.
Ive caught my 10 year old watching youtube videos of other dudes playing video games.

I was so disappointed, wasnt sure if I should blame him or myself for letting this happen.

We don't talk about that day any longer, and been making him go outside more. So were on the road to recovery.
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Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
Playing video games is not a sport. It's entertainment. The question you have to ask yourself is, do you want your kid to be an athlete...
Playing video games is not a sport. It's entertainment. The question you have to ask yourself is, do you want your kid to be an athlete or an entertainer?

Kids watching other kids play video games is one of the most depressing trends of late.
This is a pretty common opinion on video games. But honestly what is the difference in "adults" watching "adults" act on television?

Imo at least games by design are more interactive/engaging with the brain and most force you to engage with people. Games may still be a sedentary activity but I put it a step above watching Netflix all day.
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Jeremy Macbeth 9/10/2018 9:41am
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cpyz300 wrote:
This is a pretty common opinion on video games. But honestly what is the difference in "adults" watching "adults" act on television? Imo at least games...
This is a pretty common opinion on video games. But honestly what is the difference in "adults" watching "adults" act on television?

Imo at least games by design are more interactive/engaging with the brain and most force you to engage with people. Games may still be a sedentary activity but I put it a step above watching Netflix all day.
First of all, we're talking about kids, not adults, so there is no relevance between the two. If an adult chooses to sit on their ass all day watching Netflix, that is their prerogative and their free will. They are lazy, but that is their choice.

A child does not have that kind of free will (or at least shouldn't). A child is an undeveloped human being that needs to be conditioned to adopt healthy habits and turn into a productive adult. Sitting around watching inane YouTube videos of other people playing video games is surely a path to intellectual and physical laziness. I've heard the dialog those kids are listening to as well - it's crass, vapid and ridiculously void of anything remotely educational.

There is absolutely nothing beneficial to watching other people play video games and it's questionable just how much value there is in a kid playing video games themselves. Don't try to convince me it's honing their 'hand-eye coordination.' Do you know what also helps improve hand-eye coordination? Playing real sports while also moving your body and increasing your heart rate. That is sport. Sitting on your ass pushing buttons does absolutely nothing but make you lazy and fill time that could otherwise be used to learn something real and useful.

Parents have allowed this to happen and, frankly, they should be ashamed. It's lazy parenting when you let your kid sit around all day consuming garbage.
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This is a pretty common opinion on video games. But honestly what is the difference in "adults" watching "adults" act on television? Imo at least games...
This is a pretty common opinion on video games. But honestly what is the difference in "adults" watching "adults" act on television?

Imo at least games by design are more interactive/engaging with the brain and most force you to engage with people. Games may still be a sedentary activity but I put it a step above watching Netflix all day.
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First of all, we're talking about kids, not adults, so there is no relevance between the two. If an adult chooses to sit on their ass...
First of all, we're talking about kids, not adults, so there is no relevance between the two. If an adult chooses to sit on their ass all day watching Netflix, that is their prerogative and their free will. They are lazy, but that is their choice.

A child does not have that kind of free will (or at least shouldn't). A child is an undeveloped human being that needs to be conditioned to adopt healthy habits and turn into a productive adult. Sitting around watching inane YouTube videos of other people playing video games is surely a path to intellectual and physical laziness. I've heard the dialog those kids are listening to as well - it's crass, vapid and ridiculously void of anything remotely educational.

There is absolutely nothing beneficial to watching other people play video games and it's questionable just how much value there is in a kid playing video games themselves. Don't try to convince me it's honing their 'hand-eye coordination.' Do you know what also helps improve hand-eye coordination? Playing real sports while also moving your body and increasing your heart rate. That is sport. Sitting on your ass pushing buttons does absolutely nothing but make you lazy and fill time that could otherwise be used to learn something real and useful.

Parents have allowed this to happen and, frankly, they should be ashamed. It's lazy parenting when you let your kid sit around all day consuming garbage.
Well said.

Its easy to shove an iPad in front of a kid these days. Which i try to keep to times we are on a road trip, aint trying to listen to 3 kids fight in my back seat! lol
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Would you rather be a Special Ops parachutist or a guy that sews them together?
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Rhody 9/10/2018 11:07am
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Take that stress and then add the stress of your employer and possible serious injury. That's why being a top pro MX racer isn't always as...
Take that stress and then add the stress of your employer and possible serious injury. That's why being a top pro MX racer isn't always as enjoyable as most seem to think.
Oh I'm quite familiar with those stresses. I race sprint cars, my old boss told me he was fine with it, until he got me on payroll then kept complaining that I wouldn't work weekends and his company might go under if I got hurt in the race car. I guess he was OK with the company going under if he died while ice climbing in the Grand Tetons or kayaking through the arctic alone, but my racing was a problem.
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Spudnut 9/10/2018 11:10am
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Yeah them kids and electronics can get bad! My nephew lives and breathes for iPad and video games, When mom and Dad take it or won’t let him have it when he wants it the fight is on right in front of everybody at the family get together. He’s getting better these days but man like said above it’s definitely a road of recovery lol

I guess I can’t say much because I don’t know what being a parent is like but jeez that stuff is like a drug and his mind is still developing.

Sure I remember enjoying my fair share of Sx circuit after school as a kid but don’t recall constantly wanting more.
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Tbteam wrote:
Would you rather be a Special Ops parachutist or a guy that sews them together?
Tough call on that one.
Squirrelings 9/10/2018 12:12pm
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cpyz300 wrote:
This is a pretty common opinion on video games. But honestly what is the difference in "adults" watching "adults" act on television? Imo at least games...
This is a pretty common opinion on video games. But honestly what is the difference in "adults" watching "adults" act on television?

Imo at least games by design are more interactive/engaging with the brain and most force you to engage with people. Games may still be a sedentary activity but I put it a step above watching Netflix all day.
Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
First of all, we're talking about kids, not adults, so there is no relevance between the two. If an adult chooses to sit on their ass...
First of all, we're talking about kids, not adults, so there is no relevance between the two. If an adult chooses to sit on their ass all day watching Netflix, that is their prerogative and their free will. They are lazy, but that is their choice.

A child does not have that kind of free will (or at least shouldn't). A child is an undeveloped human being that needs to be conditioned to adopt healthy habits and turn into a productive adult. Sitting around watching inane YouTube videos of other people playing video games is surely a path to intellectual and physical laziness. I've heard the dialog those kids are listening to as well - it's crass, vapid and ridiculously void of anything remotely educational.

There is absolutely nothing beneficial to watching other people play video games and it's questionable just how much value there is in a kid playing video games themselves. Don't try to convince me it's honing their 'hand-eye coordination.' Do you know what also helps improve hand-eye coordination? Playing real sports while also moving your body and increasing your heart rate. That is sport. Sitting on your ass pushing buttons does absolutely nothing but make you lazy and fill time that could otherwise be used to learn something real and useful.

Parents have allowed this to happen and, frankly, they should be ashamed. It's lazy parenting when you let your kid sit around all day consuming garbage.
I'm not sure about you, but my heart is pounding out of my chest during an intense online battle for the W.
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ACBraap 9/10/2018 1:21pm
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Pro gamers make more than pro motocrossers. Pretty sad lol
Not sad, an economic reality. In neither case are the pros doing work in the traditional sense, where a product or service is provided. Instead, they are paid based on their ability to influence sales of products they use/endorse of via purse money. Cause more product to sell and a rider will make more. Grow the sport and purse money should increase (theoretically - ignoring the duopoly we see with Feld and MX Sports) with participation.

To the original question - either sport is fine (assuming gaming is considered a sport), but it's equally stupid to bet the farm on success in either at the cost of education and other career paths.
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There are only so many job openings for each profession. I like the physical side of moto & the real world aspect of being outdoors riding & racing & making connections with people of all ages. Developing real world people skills that could be used beyond the track to some extent.
A video-game designer would be a more indoor 'activity' & cerebral.
How many true MX game developers does the world need? Seems like if you are a game designer you wouldn't want to limit yourself to Moto games only (although that's all I would be interested in. I liek racing games!
There are not enough positions to apply for in either profession.
But I'm old-school so I like to see kids outdoors playing but it seems like a computer world nowadays so ...
I believe a kid could do both & enjoy the best of both worlds! Exercise the mind & body!
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Flip109 wrote:
Pro gamers make more than pro motocrossers. Pretty sad lol
ACBraap wrote:
Not sad, an economic reality. In neither case are the pros doing work in the traditional sense, where a product or service is provided. Instead, they...
Not sad, an economic reality. In neither case are the pros doing work in the traditional sense, where a product or service is provided. Instead, they are paid based on their ability to influence sales of products they use/endorse of via purse money. Cause more product to sell and a rider will make more. Grow the sport and purse money should increase (theoretically - ignoring the duopoly we see with Feld and MX Sports) with participation.

To the original question - either sport is fine (assuming gaming is considered a sport), but it's equally stupid to bet the farm on success in either at the cost of education and other career paths.
I shit you not eSports is actually being looked at and are currently in deep talk to be included at the 2024 Summer Olympics in Paris, France.

I can't say that I agree with that.

I get gaming as a career but as a sport, no and as an Olympic sport, hell no.

That said the eSport platform keeps on growing. They have dedicated TV channels on top of all the different streaming platforms like Twitch, YouTube, etc. Tournaments fill out sports arenas.
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It’s not anything new. Instead of a movie star, kids want to be a YouTuber when they grow up because that’s all they watch and they look up to the personalities they watch daily.

So following the same formula, I’d tell them to chase whatever dream they want... Whatever makes them happy so long as they can provide for themselves. Just like with bands, or actors, you only pay attention to the success stories. That market is very flooded but luckily cheap enough for anyone to really get into if they wanted.
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Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
Playing video games is not a sport. It's entertainment. The question you have to ask yourself is, do you want your kid to be an athlete...
Playing video games is not a sport. It's entertainment. The question you have to ask yourself is, do you want your kid to be an athlete or an entertainer?

Kids watching other kids play video games is one of the most depressing trends of late.
Don't you remember crowds of kids around the Asteroids machine when a really good player was going?
As to the original question, is "neither" an option?
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EZZA 95B 9/10/2018 4:48pm
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be like roncada and do both
I remember reading that Kehoe had to remove the Playstation from the truck because RonRon was on it all the time.Laughing
DrinkMoreWater 9/10/2018 5:14pm
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It's not about the money it's about parenting and child's interest.

Parents are bombarded with fear these days and naturally they don't want their kids to go outside so what does the kid do? Stay inside and play video games, plus for lazy parents it works out for them.

All my childhood I was outside when I lived in a small town riding bmx and motorbikes, as soon as we moved to the city I found gaming and got really addicted and barely went outside I got to a pro level in gaming but at the time gaming was not big yet. But now with computers and tech a kid can stay indoors all day for years on years without getting bored, the instant gratification era is here and is damaging them.

If you look at all the sports in the world currently the best players are born in the 80s with one or two exceptions, which is not normal as sportsmen are most dominate in their mid to late twenties.

The people born in the 80s and before had no tech or gamkjg distractions they went outside and worked on their craft.

There will be a major decline in sports and it's already happening, not only sports but health and well-being I can speak first hand about that it has greatly affected me in a negative way.

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Wow this got a lot of attention! I agree that kids shouldn’t have technology shoved in their face to keep them entertained. I’m simply just wondering as a primary focus, from what I’ve heard from most pro players/streamers is that growing up video games were always second to school sports and such, it kinda just became big to them after they’ve graduated and spots isn’t an option anymore. Any kid 5-11 I personally feel like should be limited on tv and or Netflix to play with toys and playing outside but by the time I have kids I’d say that’ll just be about impossible. I simply asked this question because I’m only 18 and when I was racing i had already broken both wrists one almost coming out of the skin at 15, I was just a local weekend warrior too and it still bothers me everyday. I know it’s completely up to the kid being that some aren’t okay with being in the business where your commentating and face is what truly decides your paycheck as to where trying to get better at riding dirt bikes is just pure determination.
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Has anyone ever got a chick from riding a dirt bike is what I'm more curious about Laughing
Only if you rev a lot
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Spydee wrote:
Has anyone ever got a chick from riding a dirt bike is what I'm more curious about Laughing
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Only if you rev a lot
Has anybody NOT gotten a chick from riding a dirt bike?
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Darn, I thought the question was like this:

If you could play a race like a game (camera mounted behind a real life dirt bike that you control the robot rider of), could you beat a pro moto rider?

maxximmee 9/10/2018 9:22pm
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Interesting debate and question. I for myself wanted to create a youtube channel but didn't have much time to put in it as I have a daytime job.

I thought about a lot of passions I have like riding dirtbikes (though I am nowhere near a professional level), or other stuff I like to do like programming micro-controllers, cooking, languages (am not too bad at those)... But at the end of the day, where are the views (and the money) -> GAMING (and music but too many copyright issues in that segment).

So I started a channel about a month ago and it's doing pretty well (you can check it out if you want: http://youtube.com/c/topgamez ), but let me tell you: it's not as easy as it seems. The content you post is only 10% of the whole thing. SEO (search engine optimization), attractive thumbnails, titles, tags... is the hardest part. Basically getting people to see your stuff in the first place. No one will even find your stuff if you are ranked at 50 in the search result.

I don't do the vids myself, I have a guy I know doing them, I just upload, do the thumbnails, tags and descriptions and a blog to rank the results in google (http://topgamez.info/blog), which on its own takes a lot of time already.

Then you have to deal with copyright for everything (especially music), and deal with new youtube guidelines every 6 months. They have for example demonetized about 90% of youtube channels, as you need to post creative content and playing a video game is not creative enough, you need to add more to it and be able to prove it. They also added new requirement of 4000 watched hours + 1000 subscribers.

Anyways, not sure you were expecting such a long post lol... But just wanted to let you know. It's not as easy as it seems, especially starting now and not 5-10 years ago. But it's possible and gaming is the easiest for views and ad revenues compared to other niches.

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kinda funny topic. i was professional gamer in the early days. CPL and WCG in the early 2000's. traveled all over. Counter-Strike team, eliminated in semi's a couple times in the big brackets. made some money. I was born in the wrong decade. (i'm 48). Todays counter-strikes teams are making big bucks....like really big bucks...give pro-moto guys run for their money on contracts. lol.

for those of you that doubt the money or professional value of some of the gamers now days...google "ninja" and "fortnite". dudes making thousands daily..sometimes hitting $500k month. lol. just absolutely crazy numbers.
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kinda funny topic. i was professional gamer in the early days. CPL and WCG in the early 2000's. traveled all over. Counter-Strike team, eliminated in semi's...
kinda funny topic. i was professional gamer in the early days. CPL and WCG in the early 2000's. traveled all over. Counter-Strike team, eliminated in semi's a couple times in the big brackets. made some money. I was born in the wrong decade. (i'm 48). Todays counter-strikes teams are making big bucks....like really big bucks...give pro-moto guys run for their money on contracts. lol.

for those of you that doubt the money or professional value of some of the gamers now days...google "ninja" and "fortnite". dudes making thousands daily..sometimes hitting $500k month. lol. just absolutely crazy numbers.
You play for united5 or something?
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dboivin wrote:
kinda funny topic. i was professional gamer in the early days. CPL and WCG in the early 2000's. traveled all over. Counter-Strike team, eliminated in semi's...
kinda funny topic. i was professional gamer in the early days. CPL and WCG in the early 2000's. traveled all over. Counter-Strike team, eliminated in semi's a couple times in the big brackets. made some money. I was born in the wrong decade. (i'm 48). Todays counter-strikes teams are making big bucks....like really big bucks...give pro-moto guys run for their money on contracts. lol.

for those of you that doubt the money or professional value of some of the gamers now days...google "ninja" and "fortnite". dudes making thousands daily..sometimes hitting $500k month. lol. just absolutely crazy numbers.
He’s for sure making at least 500k a month, 130,000 subscribers on twitch at $5 each, he probably gets $3 of that. 390,000 off of twitch his YouTube videos average around 3,000,000 views a video with several videos a week on YouTube which is a huge payday and he’s sponsored by Red Bull and a lot of other contracts.
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dboivin wrote:
kinda funny topic. i was professional gamer in the early days. CPL and WCG in the early 2000's. traveled all over. Counter-Strike team, eliminated in semi's...
kinda funny topic. i was professional gamer in the early days. CPL and WCG in the early 2000's. traveled all over. Counter-Strike team, eliminated in semi's a couple times in the big brackets. made some money. I was born in the wrong decade. (i'm 48). Todays counter-strikes teams are making big bucks....like really big bucks...give pro-moto guys run for their money on contracts. lol.

for those of you that doubt the money or professional value of some of the gamers now days...google "ninja" and "fortnite". dudes making thousands daily..sometimes hitting $500k month. lol. just absolutely crazy numbers.
I got an Internet / TV package with my new provider and they have a channel called eGG Network. It's dedicated to gaming tournaments and the prize purses are fucking nuts.

There's an action sports station (EDGE Sports) which has some gaming tournaments also. One of the first ones I watched was this.

Edit: Bruno Senna was one of the many actual racers in this tournament.
https://youtu.be/5wmMcqmoa6s

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cpyz300 wrote:
This is a pretty common opinion on video games. But honestly what is the difference in "adults" watching "adults" act on television? Imo at least games...
This is a pretty common opinion on video games. But honestly what is the difference in "adults" watching "adults" act on television?

Imo at least games by design are more interactive/engaging with the brain and most force you to engage with people. Games may still be a sedentary activity but I put it a step above watching Netflix all day.
Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
First of all, we're talking about kids, not adults, so there is no relevance between the two. If an adult chooses to sit on their ass...
First of all, we're talking about kids, not adults, so there is no relevance between the two. If an adult chooses to sit on their ass all day watching Netflix, that is their prerogative and their free will. They are lazy, but that is their choice.

A child does not have that kind of free will (or at least shouldn't). A child is an undeveloped human being that needs to be conditioned to adopt healthy habits and turn into a productive adult. Sitting around watching inane YouTube videos of other people playing video games is surely a path to intellectual and physical laziness. I've heard the dialog those kids are listening to as well - it's crass, vapid and ridiculously void of anything remotely educational.

There is absolutely nothing beneficial to watching other people play video games and it's questionable just how much value there is in a kid playing video games themselves. Don't try to convince me it's honing their 'hand-eye coordination.' Do you know what also helps improve hand-eye coordination? Playing real sports while also moving your body and increasing your heart rate. That is sport. Sitting on your ass pushing buttons does absolutely nothing but make you lazy and fill time that could otherwise be used to learn something real and useful.

Parents have allowed this to happen and, frankly, they should be ashamed. It's lazy parenting when you let your kid sit around all day consuming garbage.
You're clueless. Get a grip on your life and your child's life. You live in 2018 not the 80s where you seem to still be living.
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dboivin wrote:
kinda funny topic. i was professional gamer in the early days. CPL and WCG in the early 2000's. traveled all over. Counter-Strike team, eliminated in semi's...
kinda funny topic. i was professional gamer in the early days. CPL and WCG in the early 2000's. traveled all over. Counter-Strike team, eliminated in semi's a couple times in the big brackets. made some money. I was born in the wrong decade. (i'm 48). Todays counter-strikes teams are making big bucks....like really big bucks...give pro-moto guys run for their money on contracts. lol.

for those of you that doubt the money or professional value of some of the gamers now days...google "ninja" and "fortnite". dudes making thousands daily..sometimes hitting $500k month. lol. just absolutely crazy numbers.
Very interesting. I probably watched you on G4 TV at one time or another when I was around 8 years old lol. They used to show 1.6 tournaments every now and then that I would watch.

CS pros now make a ton of money, but they put the hours in too. Most pros have between 5,000-12,000 hours and some of the older guys have even more Woohoo

I have like 720 hours...just getting into ESEA cus FaceIt is annoying. Let me know if you still play (CSGO), I bet your game sense is ridiculous being that you’re an OG Laughing

I’d like to think that one day I could make it to Rank S...but man it’s hard working full time and competing against teenagers that play 8-12 hours a day Pinch

I swear Counterstrike is just an FPS version of Chess.
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dboivin 9/11/2018 6:24am
9/11/2018 6:24am
dboivin wrote:
kinda funny topic. i was professional gamer in the early days. CPL and WCG in the early 2000's. traveled all over. Counter-Strike team, eliminated in semi's...
kinda funny topic. i was professional gamer in the early days. CPL and WCG in the early 2000's. traveled all over. Counter-Strike team, eliminated in semi's a couple times in the big brackets. made some money. I was born in the wrong decade. (i'm 48). Todays counter-strikes teams are making big bucks....like really big bucks...give pro-moto guys run for their money on contracts. lol.

for those of you that doubt the money or professional value of some of the gamers now days...google "ninja" and "fortnite". dudes making thousands daily..sometimes hitting $500k month. lol. just absolutely crazy numbers.
DrinkMoreWater wrote:
You play for united5 or something?
played for a team called Steelbreeze out of michigan. we'd win regionals each year in WCG, fly out for the main tourney in california for a few years.

i think our highest placing in CPL was like 9-13th. I think we were eliminated by SK the last year i was there (you should be familiar with SK, lol).

playing on the big stage rivaled being on the gate in the silverdome/supercross. very nerve racking. lots of pressure and lots of yawning. lol.

again, this was in the early 2000's...was the birth of tourney's. we traveled all over playing every tourney we could get into at the time.

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