Herlings is top level

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I am fairly certain if Herlings and Tomac have their A game Tomac smokes Herlings 8 out of 10 times. If they race a series Tomac would seal it before the last race. Tomac looses focus because he is bored. Herlings would wad if he tried to ride Tomac's pace. I say MXDN is go time. Tomac will stamp a big fat MAGA on Helings if Herlings were actually race the premier class.
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8/7/2018 2:29pm
Old news, We have already established he is the GOAT, you must be new around here.
How dumb are you guys? Kid hasn’t proved anything yet. 250s isn’t the 450 class. He’s got a long ways to beat RC, AC222 and Everts in championships.
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Watching the way Herlings rides sand at Lommel, it's a good job for Team USA that the MXDN hasn't any plans to return there soon. On...
Watching the way Herlings rides sand at Lommel, it's a good job for Team USA that the MXDN hasn't any plans to return there soon. On his current form he would probably lap Eli Tomac, the same way he lapped Blake Bagget in 2012 when Herlings was just a kid!......
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It’s really not cool to bag on us so hard for that race. Clearly our guys are not accustomed to sand like that. I mean He...
It’s really not cool to bag on us so hard for that race. Clearly our guys are not accustomed to sand like that. I mean He lapped up to 8th in your super stacked GP field. You know guys who specialize in this stuff. I think everyone not named Herlings is lucky it isn’t there. He had over 30 seconds on TC and over a min on 5th in the second moto. It was almost survival mode for most of the field. Hell even Herlings ate it at the end of his moto 2 lol
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He British and he got to see the US team lose. That's a slice a heaven for that guy.
And our guys finished on the podium that day....The mighty British squad ? 8th.

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Just had another thought about them not really having anymore talent than Hofer. They were supporting 3 riders in EMX at one point Prado, Pootjes and...
Just had another thought about them not really having anymore talent than Hofer. They were supporting 3 riders in EMX at one point Prado, Pootjes and was the other Jonass? Anyway now they only have one supported rider, is it because of the lack of talent or there lack of money? When did they start supporting Rene because I have only heard of his name this year.
KTM have pumped a shit ton of money into riders that havent paid off.. Pootjes, Mewse, Natzke.. all touted at the next big thing, but not really got there despite being top 85 and 125 riders.. Hofer is decent, and seems to be worth the effort, but so many of them get lost in EMX250, that it seems to be better to just see who floats to the top and pick them up.

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ATKpilot99 wrote:
And our guys finished on the podium that day....The mighty British squad ? 8th.
And last year , we were on the podium and the mighty USA .. 9th ..behind Estonia.

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ATKpilot99 wrote:
And our guys finished on the podium that day....The mighty British squad ? 8th.
philG wrote:
And last year , we were on the podium and the mighty USA .. 9th ..behind Estonia.

Thats fine . People are always bagging on how our guys were lapped at Lommel even though Baggett was the only one legitimately lapped... Barcia had a mechanical in a moto. It's Lommel this Lommel that. I guess it's the Chuck Norris of motocross tracks.
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8/7/2018 6:06pm Edited Date/Time 8/7/2018 10:33pm
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He doesnt even have a single 450 title but were calling him the greatest of all time lol...ok. Cairolli meanwhile has 9, hes just getting older...
He doesnt even have a single 450 title but were calling him the greatest of all time lol...ok. Cairolli meanwhile has 9, hes just getting older. Herlings has.....0. Tomac even has 1. Lets pump the breaks a bit. He has 3 total championships in the 250 class and when he was winning those Cooper Webb beat him the first time they raced. Jason Anderson also beat him at MXON and last year at the USGP him and Tomac split motos with each winning 1.

Yes he beat Tomac at Ironman when all he was trying to do was win the championship, but when they raced straight up at USGP they split motos. I dont get where his unbeatable reputation comes from, seeing that hes been beat quite a few times. Hes probably the fastest guy right now, or him and Tomac are neck and kneck, hard to judge we truely dont know right now, but goat....not yet. Well know in 10 years, but too early to say right now. Hes blazing fast, hes not called the bullet for no reason, but lets relax until he actually wins multiple championships-which Im sure he will do in time.
Absolute best post in this thread.
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He’s def the best there is on an mx track. The bad part is there is nobody coming through the ranks that can challenge him. Once...
He’s def the best there is on an mx track. The bad part is there is nobody coming through the ranks that can challenge him. Once TC is done it’s going to get really boring in the GPs, as he’s the only one that can sort of keep him in sight.
Bidirella wrote:
It will get boring, just like his MX2 days. Hopefully one day Musquin or Roczen comes back to the MXGP. But that would be a Dream...
It will get boring, just like his MX2 days. Hopefully one day Musquin or Roczen comes back to the MXGP. But that would be a Dream right
Marv can't even hang with Tomac what's he gonna have for Herlings?
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Flip109 wrote:
He’s def the best there is on an mx track. The bad part is there is nobody coming through the ranks that can challenge him. Once...
He’s def the best there is on an mx track. The bad part is there is nobody coming through the ranks that can challenge him. Once TC is done it’s going to get really boring in the GPs, as he’s the only one that can sort of keep him in sight.
Bidirella wrote:
It will get boring, just like his MX2 days. Hopefully one day Musquin or Roczen comes back to the MXGP. But that would be a Dream...
It will get boring, just like his MX2 days. Hopefully one day Musquin or Roczen comes back to the MXGP. But that would be a Dream right
Marv can't even hang with Tomac what's he gonna have for Herlings?
Tomac is faster than Herlings though, so it's a toss up with Marvin and Herlings.
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In my opinion Herlings will be top in SX too.
Here a nice battle against Dungey and Musquin at the SMX Cup in Dortmund

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb0DlCqqDwE
Just because it’s in a stadium doesn’t mean it’s the equivalent of a Supercross track. That track was not comparable to a modern Supercross track at all, maybe a track from the era of 1985-87. There were no SX whoops and no rhythm sections and not even a SX triple on that track.

With enough practice Herlings could compete on a modern SX track, he has the skill, but it would take a while to be on the level of Tomac, Anderson, Musquin and Roczen in a true SX track.

Watching Herlings dominate this season has been impressive. His will to ride through injuries has gained him a ton respect.

Definitely top level.
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Flip109 wrote:
He’s def the best there is on an mx track. The bad part is there is nobody coming through the ranks that can challenge him. Once...
He’s def the best there is on an mx track. The bad part is there is nobody coming through the ranks that can challenge him. Once TC is done it’s going to get really boring in the GPs, as he’s the only one that can sort of keep him in sight.
Bidirella wrote:
It will get boring, just like his MX2 days. Hopefully one day Musquin or Roczen comes back to the MXGP. But that would be a Dream...
It will get boring, just like his MX2 days. Hopefully one day Musquin or Roczen comes back to the MXGP. But that would be a Dream right
Marv can't even hang with Tomac what's he gonna have for Herlings?
You might want to go re-watch , and pay close attention to Ironman last year. Musquin was reeling Jeffrey in before he went down. In the other moto Marv's lap times were not only faster ( yeah I know , clear track ) But crashed again with a 10 second lead.

Think about it......Marv usually get's his ass handed to him by Eli. At that race , Eli was trying to wrap up a championship. Some of you that think Eli can't run with Jeffrey.....are going to be in for a shock come MXoN's. In fact , my money is on Eli if they start together. I don't think some of you comprehend the speed's that dude is carrying right now.
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That aint no SX dude.
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Americans and there sx bs.. like american football what no one in europe like to watch.. man in tights with a big helmet kneeling down on a knee when the anthem is played. Talk to them about respect.. warmongers.

Looks like a forum of 5 years old little drama queens when it comes to herlings or tomac..

Tomac is riding for a national title.. Herlings for a worldchamionship.. you can't compare the wide flat open tracks in america with the tracks in europe. The both are on there own ground at this moment the fastes.

Mxdn in the usa.. next year in assen in the sand. That's gonna be deep sand. Even after this we can't say shit.. tomac should come over with his kawa team to the mxgp like villopoto did.. barcia ( the only american rider i would clap for.. bam bam)with yamaha and roczen could be next on hrc with gasjer.

Don't bring sx in that's the same as americans can't play soccer( with a round ball not a egg) so do europeans can't play on a sx track with a bike.

It's not that difficult, only thing if you want to be the best in the world u need worldchampion titles.. everts got the most so he is the GOAT with that..

Nummer 4 the goat of the usa only has sx titles and outdoor national titles.. so he is a national goat not a world champion goat..

This discussion will never end.. just enjoy the show off tomac and herlings. We not gonna see that any more after 10 years from now.

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r18b wrote:
Americans and there sx bs.. like american football what no one in europe like to watch.. man in tights with a big helmet kneeling down on...
Americans and there sx bs.. like american football what no one in europe like to watch.. man in tights with a big helmet kneeling down on a knee when the anthem is played. Talk to them about respect.. warmongers.

Looks like a forum of 5 years old little drama queens when it comes to herlings or tomac..

Tomac is riding for a national title.. Herlings for a worldchamionship.. you can't compare the wide flat open tracks in america with the tracks in europe. The both are on there own ground at this moment the fastes.

Mxdn in the usa.. next year in assen in the sand. That's gonna be deep sand. Even after this we can't say shit.. tomac should come over with his kawa team to the mxgp like villopoto did.. barcia ( the only american rider i would clap for.. bam bam)with yamaha and roczen could be next on hrc with gasjer.

Don't bring sx in that's the same as americans can't play soccer( with a round ball not a egg) so do europeans can't play on a sx track with a bike.

It's not that difficult, only thing if you want to be the best in the world u need worldchampion titles.. everts got the most so he is the GOAT with that..

Nummer 4 the goat of the usa only has sx titles and outdoor national titles.. so he is a national goat not a world champion goat..

This discussion will never end.. just enjoy the show off tomac and herlings. We not gonna see that any more after 10 years from now.

All this was meant to be was a discussion about Herlings and his amazing talent. Not a discussion of sx, Eli vs Herlings, or Europe vs the U.S.A.

Seeing Herlings ride is something else, and I think we should stop and enjoy what we are seeing from such a great talent.
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He doesnt even have a single 450 title but were calling him the greatest of all time lol...ok. Cairolli meanwhile has 9, hes just getting older...
He doesnt even have a single 450 title but were calling him the greatest of all time lol...ok. Cairolli meanwhile has 9, hes just getting older. Herlings has.....0. Tomac even has 1. Lets pump the breaks a bit. He has 3 total championships in the 250 class and when he was winning those Cooper Webb beat him the first time they raced. Jason Anderson also beat him at MXON and last year at the USGP him and Tomac split motos with each winning 1.

Yes he beat Tomac at Ironman when all he was trying to do was win the championship, but when they raced straight up at USGP they split motos. I dont get where his unbeatable reputation comes from, seeing that hes been beat quite a few times. Hes probably the fastest guy right now, or him and Tomac are neck and kneck, hard to judge we truely dont know right now, but goat....not yet. Well know in 10 years, but too early to say right now. Hes blazing fast, hes not called the bullet for no reason, but lets relax until he actually wins multiple championships-which Im sure he will do in time.
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By this logic, Herlings has two titles I believe. As your counting Tomacs national championship we should count national championships for everyone. AC probably has a...
By this logic, Herlings has two titles I believe. As your counting Tomacs national championship we should count national championships for everyone. AC probably has a shitton of those too.

So when Herlings beat Tomac at ironman it was only because Tomac was racing for a championship and Herlings was not but when Webb beat Herlings in Charlotte asHerlings wrapped up his title?

At least be consistent with your bullshit
Lol I knew someone would try this. What bullshit? He does not have a single 450 title that is fact. Tomac has 1 mx 450 championship, fact. Cairolli is a multi time champ, fact. Anderson beat him at Mxon, fact. Webb beat him at Charlotte, fact. They split motos at WW, fact. Herlings beat Tomac at Ironman fact.
Herlings was wrapping up a title like Tomac, but heres the difference. It was the last race of the year for Tomac. So he just had to get ___ place, not crash and the title is his, no more races. Herlings was ABLE to wrap it up at Charlotte, but it was not the last race. So he was riding it like any other race because there were more rounds to go and he was trying as hard as he could to wrap it up early. Do you understand the difference. Normal race for Herlings where if he flies gets to wrap it up early... vs last race of the year for Tomac so as long as he gets like top 10 or something he wins and theres no more races. That means Tomac can put around safe and then the series is over. If Herlings putted around safe theres still more races to go.
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All this was meant to be was a discussion about Herlings and his amazing talent. Not a discussion of sx, Eli vs Herlings, or Europe vs...
All this was meant to be was a discussion about Herlings and his amazing talent. Not a discussion of sx, Eli vs Herlings, or Europe vs the U.S.A.

Seeing Herlings ride is something else, and I think we should stop and enjoy what we are seeing from such a great talent.
This, bunch of kidsGrinning
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First he was only sandbagging and would get waxed on a 450. That turned out not to be true, on the contrary. Now he isn’t even among the 20 best ever. After he wraps up this title and very possibly dominates the series for years to come the haters and nay sayers will come around (again).

He is THAT good.
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Bidirella wrote:
It will get boring, just like his MX2 days. Hopefully one day Musquin or Roczen comes back to the MXGP. But that would be a Dream...
It will get boring, just like his MX2 days. Hopefully one day Musquin or Roczen comes back to the MXGP. But that would be a Dream right
Marv can't even hang with Tomac what's he gonna have for Herlings?
jeffro503 wrote:
You might want to go re-watch , and pay close attention to Ironman last year. Musquin was reeling Jeffrey in before he went down. In the...
You might want to go re-watch , and pay close attention to Ironman last year. Musquin was reeling Jeffrey in before he went down. In the other moto Marv's lap times were not only faster ( yeah I know , clear track ) But crashed again with a 10 second lead.

Think about it......Marv usually get's his ass handed to him by Eli. At that race , Eli was trying to wrap up a championship. Some of you that think Eli can't run with Jeffrey.....are going to be in for a shock come MXoN's. In fact , my money is on Eli if they start together. I don't think some of you comprehend the speed's that dude is carrying right now.
Something tells me you are not 100% certain about this, haha! I know for a fact you recognize JH’s alien like abilities.
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Marv can't even hang with Tomac what's he gonna have for Herlings?
jeffro503 wrote:
You might want to go re-watch , and pay close attention to Ironman last year. Musquin was reeling Jeffrey in before he went down. In the...
You might want to go re-watch , and pay close attention to Ironman last year. Musquin was reeling Jeffrey in before he went down. In the other moto Marv's lap times were not only faster ( yeah I know , clear track ) But crashed again with a 10 second lead.

Think about it......Marv usually get's his ass handed to him by Eli. At that race , Eli was trying to wrap up a championship. Some of you that think Eli can't run with Jeffrey.....are going to be in for a shock come MXoN's. In fact , my money is on Eli if they start together. I don't think some of you comprehend the speed's that dude is carrying right now.
Aryen wrote:
Something tells me you are not 100% certain about this, haha! I know for a fact you recognize JH’s alien like abilities.
He's right about Iron Man. The 1st Moto Musquin ran a 2:07.7 to Herlings' 2:08.3. In the 2nd moto Musquin ran a 2:08.8 to Herlings' 2:08.3.

They were basically the same speed. I can't remember the last time Marvin marched Eli's speed on a motocross track. All the evidence suggest Tomac was playing it safe for the title that day at Iron Man. Herlings is a fantastic rider but some of you aren't giving Tomac the respect he deserves.
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I think Tomac has the raw speed of Herlings, I really do. I just think he can’t hold it on as consistantly as Herlings can. MXoN is going to be interesting.
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These irrelevant discussions will never end, not as long as Herlings-fanboys vs (enter rider)-fanboys who use every breath they can muster to idolize their hero have enough IQ to create an account.

Some advice: enjoy the sport in general. Don't put all your effort in one rider and don't reflect your guy's results on another one, especially when the other one's results take place in a different part of the sport.

Oh yes, I've been a fanboy aswell. When I was a 8 to 12 year old kid. Grow up.
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8/8/2018 3:22am Edited Date/Time 8/8/2018 3:27am
Just a notice
About Ironman. Everybody seems to forgot, that MM25 and Baggett, both raced balls out for the second place in the series.
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drt410 wrote:
Lol I knew someone would try this. What bullshit? He does not have a single 450 title that is fact. Tomac has 1 mx 450 championship...
Lol I knew someone would try this. What bullshit? He does not have a single 450 title that is fact. Tomac has 1 mx 450 championship, fact. Cairolli is a multi time champ, fact. Anderson beat him at Mxon, fact. Webb beat him at Charlotte, fact. They split motos at WW, fact. Herlings beat Tomac at Ironman fact.
Herlings was wrapping up a title like Tomac, but heres the difference. It was the last race of the year for Tomac. So he just had to get ___ place, not crash and the title is his, no more races. Herlings was ABLE to wrap it up at Charlotte, but it was not the last race. So he was riding it like any other race because there were more rounds to go and he was trying as hard as he could to wrap it up early. Do you understand the difference. Normal race for Herlings where if he flies gets to wrap it up early... vs last race of the year for Tomac so as long as he gets like top 10 or something he wins and theres no more races. That means Tomac can put around safe and then the series is over. If Herlings putted around safe theres still more races to go.
I can't believe I'm contributing to this buuuut...

How come it's a fact that Webb beat him in Charlotte but they split motos at WW?
Surely it should be they split motos at Charlotte and WW, or Webb beat him at Charlotte and He beat Tomac at WW!

'Herlings was riding it like any other race' Yep he rode it like any other race to wrap it up early like when he won the first moto.. He didn't need to even ride the next 3 motos
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I enjoy watching both riders. The MXGP tracks are obviously more challenging then US MX tracks. That's obvious to anyone who watches both races. Herlings is slightly better then Tomac right now. Tomac has that raw speed but is too inconsistent. So I think you have to give Herlings the nod as FMOTP right now. Both are awesome and fun to watch.
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r18b wrote:
Americans and there sx bs.. like american football what no one in europe like to watch.. man in tights with a big helmet kneeling down on...
Americans and there sx bs.. like american football what no one in europe like to watch.. man in tights with a big helmet kneeling down on a knee when the anthem is played. Talk to them about respect.. warmongers.

Looks like a forum of 5 years old little drama queens when it comes to herlings or tomac..

Tomac is riding for a national title.. Herlings for a worldchamionship.. you can't compare the wide flat open tracks in america with the tracks in europe. The both are on there own ground at this moment the fastes.

Mxdn in the usa.. next year in assen in the sand. That's gonna be deep sand. Even after this we can't say shit.. tomac should come over with his kawa team to the mxgp like villopoto did.. barcia ( the only american rider i would clap for.. bam bam)with yamaha and roczen could be next on hrc with gasjer.

Don't bring sx in that's the same as americans can't play soccer( with a round ball not a egg) so do europeans can't play on a sx track with a bike.

It's not that difficult, only thing if you want to be the best in the world u need worldchampion titles.. everts got the most so he is the GOAT with that..

Nummer 4 the goat of the usa only has sx titles and outdoor national titles.. so he is a national goat not a world champion goat..

This discussion will never end.. just enjoy the show off tomac and herlings. We not gonna see that any more after 10 years from now.

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Marv can't even hang with Tomac what's he gonna have for Herlings?
jeffro503 wrote:
You might want to go re-watch , and pay close attention to Ironman last year. Musquin was reeling Jeffrey in before he went down. In the...
You might want to go re-watch , and pay close attention to Ironman last year. Musquin was reeling Jeffrey in before he went down. In the other moto Marv's lap times were not only faster ( yeah I know , clear track ) But crashed again with a 10 second lead.

Think about it......Marv usually get's his ass handed to him by Eli. At that race , Eli was trying to wrap up a championship. Some of you that think Eli can't run with Jeffrey.....are going to be in for a shock come MXoN's. In fact , my money is on Eli if they start together. I don't think some of you comprehend the speed's that dude is carrying right now.
Aryen wrote:
Something tells me you are not 100% certain about this, haha! I know for a fact you recognize JH’s alien like abilities.
I'm certain on both really. I know what I saw on TV , and yeah.....I know Herling's is unbelievable basically every where he rides. I think he's even stronger now then he was last year. And like I said.....my money is on Eli if they both get good start's , but I would NOT be shocked to see Jeffrey beat him either! They both seem to be from a different planet right now.
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8/8/2018 7:20am
THIS JUST IN!

And to further prove the point that HE IS NOT even close to GOAT status: He just went out on a KTM 85 and broke his femur again...

Remember 2014? It can happen again.

Press release: KTM Racing has confirmed that Red Bull KTM factory rider Jeffrey Herlings has sustained a fractured femur during a crash at the Everts and Friends Charity Race in Genk, Belgium on Monday. Jeffrey was competing in an 85 cc race at the annual charity event.
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That aint no SX dude.
Sent you a pm, hope you got it!
I don't see one? Can you try again? The site was acting weird yesterday for a while too though.

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