Harley Davidson re-entering dirt market

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Jbulz 7/30/2018 8:58pm
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Looks nice and light
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Catfish with a cleft lip is what I see.
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On special now for only. . . $ 24,999.00. That's only a dollar a pound! And for the curious, yes Eli could still whoop herlings if he had to ride that-
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Adam43 7/30/2018 9:41pm
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Forgot about that project. As I recall they got pretty far along. Would make a hell of a story for a determined reporter.
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tunedlength 7/30/2018 10:04pm
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The styling reminds me of a 60's era vacuum cleaner.(they sucked also)
HD design department has completely lost their way.
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scottydogmx 7/30/2018 10:23pm
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Do they still make the buell road bikes?
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GuyB 7/30/2018 11:33pm
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Jbulz wrote:
Looks nice and light
Flickable.

I also saw some photos of their ebike, and it’s easy to see the Alta connection at work already.
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Non-moto?
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make1go 7/31/2018 12:02am
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"adventure" bikes have about as much to do with dirt as suv's have with real 4 wd...

its an image bike for guys who think a bumpy gravel road is offroading..
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Jeff_Crutcher 7/31/2018 3:03am
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make1go wrote:
"adventure" bikes have about as much to do with dirt as suv's have with real 4 wd... its an image bike for guys who think a...
"adventure" bikes have about as much to do with dirt as suv's have with real 4 wd...

its an image bike for guys who think a bumpy gravel road is offroading..
I’m sure you’re not an idiot, but that was an idiot way to say whatever point you’re making.
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HenryA 7/31/2018 4:04am
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I think Harley are on the right way. This new adventure bike looks good and the EV-bike is very interesting. Probably the last mfgr I would expect to push out bikes like this but yeah, I’m impressed.
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bh84 7/31/2018 6:19am
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Great! Now instead of breaking down on the side of the road you can break down in the middle of nowhere! Or possibly get hung up on a dry twig with that ground clearance. Yikes!
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scottydogmx wrote:
Do they still make the buell road bikes?
No. They cut Buell loose years ago.
He tried carrying on, using what amounted to a German Rotax engine. They raced for a year or 2, and we're doing pretty good. But Buell was just too far out there Imo. Cannondale revisited. Last I heard, he was hooked up with some electric motorcycle company.
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motogrady 7/31/2018 10:09am
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make1go wrote:
"adventure" bikes have about as much to do with dirt as suv's have with real 4 wd... its an image bike for guys who think a...
"adventure" bikes have about as much to do with dirt as suv's have with real 4 wd...

its an image bike for guys who think a bumpy gravel road is offroading..
Thing a lot of guys miss about the adventure bike scene, is the miles those guys ride. You are hard pressed to cross the country, maybe stop off in Nome, Alaska, and make it back to Ocean City Maryland on a KLR. Or a Goldwing. That’s where ADV bikes fit in.

Cross a stream, over that mountain ridge, and then blast across the Texas Flats at 85.
That’s an ADV.
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make1go wrote:
"adventure" bikes have about as much to do with dirt as suv's have with real 4 wd... its an image bike for guys who think a...
"adventure" bikes have about as much to do with dirt as suv's have with real 4 wd...

its an image bike for guys who think a bumpy gravel road is offroading..
motogrady wrote:
Thing a lot of guys miss about the adventure bike scene, is the miles those guys ride. You are hard pressed to cross the country, maybe...
Thing a lot of guys miss about the adventure bike scene, is the miles those guys ride. You are hard pressed to cross the country, maybe stop off in Nome, Alaska, and make it back to Ocean City Maryland on a KLR. Or a Goldwing. That’s where ADV bikes fit in.

Cross a stream, over that mountain ridge, and then blast across the Texas Flats at 85.
That’s an ADV.
Word- read Neil Peart's Ghost Rider book. He rides from Montreal to Alaska and then all the way down to Belize- great book. The BMW's work great because the horizontal pistons keep the weight so low.
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kb228 7/31/2018 11:27am
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Theyre coming out with a naked super sport v twin too. Im sure theyll fail miserably with weight and low power numbers but its cool to see them doing something smart for a wider margin of riders
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Falcon 7/31/2018 5:00pm
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Harley will do well to branch out to more riders. People said the same critical things about Porsche when they made an SUV, but that car kept them from going under. Harley's new bikes will likely do the same for them, because cruisers are D-E-A-D. They need something new.
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NorCal 50+ wrote:
Word- read Neil Peart's Ghost Rider book. He rides from Montreal to Alaska and then all the way down to Belize- great book. The BMW's work...
Word- read Neil Peart's Ghost Rider book. He rides from Montreal to Alaska and then all the way down to Belize- great book. The BMW's work great because the horizontal pistons keep the weight so low.
Every summer I see guys that have ridden from South America up here, then onto the North Slope. Pretty impressive
Caseclosed713 7/31/2018 5:17pm
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Falcon wrote:
Harley will do well to branch out to more riders. People said the same critical things about Porsche when they made an SUV, but that car...
Harley will do well to branch out to more riders. People said the same critical things about Porsche when they made an SUV, but that car kept them from going under. Harley's new bikes will likely do the same for them, because cruisers are D-E-A-D. They need something new.
Cruisers are far from dead.

I feel like this is the AMF years coming back around with all these different models being released. I hope they sell well and arent made like crap. Im looking forward to riding the new models.
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Brad460 7/31/2018 5:22pm
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Falcon wrote:
Harley will do well to branch out to more riders. People said the same critical things about Porsche when they made an SUV, but that car...
Harley will do well to branch out to more riders. People said the same critical things about Porsche when they made an SUV, but that car kept them from going under. Harley's new bikes will likely do the same for them, because cruisers are D-E-A-D. They need something new.
Caseclosed713 wrote:
Cruisers are far from dead. I feel like this is the AMF years coming back around with all these different models being released. I hope they...
Cruisers are far from dead.

I feel like this is the AMF years coming back around with all these different models being released. I hope they sell well and arent made like crap. Im looking forward to riding the new models.
Agreed- cruisers are not dead, but Harley needs a new growth strategy..sustainable growth.
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Old2stroker08 7/31/2018 5:30pm
7/31/2018 5:30pm Edited Date/Time 7/31/2018 5:47pm
nice id like to see someone hit laroccos leap on that bad boy flat out in 5th tapped. I think when it hits the dirt it will just literally explode. but in all honesty with all the technology HD has u think they could whoop anyones ass if they built a mx bike. They obviously dont think its worth it and the wont make any money on it or they would have already.
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endurox 7/31/2018 6:30pm
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Just add a Rekluse and the riders in their Halloween outfits can dog paddle down fireroads.
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Bultaco 7/31/2018 6:34pm
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Notice the photoshop? The rear wheel is off the ground but the bike is on a side stand. Minor detail I know....but still.
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Old2stroker08 wrote:
nice id like to see someone hit laroccos leap on that bad boy flat out in 5th tapped. I think when it hits the dirt it...
nice id like to see someone hit laroccos leap on that bad boy flat out in 5th tapped. I think when it hits the dirt it will just literally explode. but in all honesty with all the technology HD has u think they could whoop anyones ass if they built a mx bike. They obviously dont think its worth it and the wont make any money on it or they would have already.
Laughing

And any motocross bike would literally explode in a few hours trying to hang with that bike on a highway or long gravel road. Would be lucky to make the state line, let alone the continental devide.

I’ve often wondered, why HD hasn’t gone dirt.
They run dirt track, it’s not like they can’t put a team together.

If you followed Dave Oysterman (sp?), Reeds team manager, and his gig there, it sheds a little light on how they do it.
I think they are just too big. Too bureaucratic. The opposite of KTM. 16 engineers, dealing with a plethora of suppliers,
bean counters, design and art guys. Too slow making a racing bike to keep up with the current stuff.
That’s what happened back in the 70s with the orange ones. Buy the time they got them out, everyone else was already water cooled, while the best they could do was an air cooled bike made in Italy.

No, they figured out what works best for them. How they can make money.
Big cruisers are their fortae, always have been.
That they know their limits, eh, smart business.
Squirrelings 7/31/2018 7:49pm
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Adam43 wrote:
Forgot about that project. As I recall they got pretty far along. Would make a hell of a story for a determined reporter.
If memory serves me correctly, the employee's involved with the project are not allowed to discuss it.
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Not even close. We were 2 years from production, at least. Never had a production frame built. Engine was from a CanAm quad, so that was production level, but not suitable for an mx bike. Still, the project has tons of potential
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Old2stroker08 7/31/2018 7:57pm
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Old2stroker08 wrote:
nice id like to see someone hit laroccos leap on that bad boy flat out in 5th tapped. I think when it hits the dirt it...
nice id like to see someone hit laroccos leap on that bad boy flat out in 5th tapped. I think when it hits the dirt it will just literally explode. but in all honesty with all the technology HD has u think they could whoop anyones ass if they built a mx bike. They obviously dont think its worth it and the wont make any money on it or they would have already.
motogrady wrote:
:laugh: And any motocross bike would literally explode in a few hours trying to hang with that bike on a highway or long gravel road. Would...
Laughing

And any motocross bike would literally explode in a few hours trying to hang with that bike on a highway or long gravel road. Would be lucky to make the state line, let alone the continental devide.

I’ve often wondered, why HD hasn’t gone dirt.
They run dirt track, it’s not like they can’t put a team together.

If you followed Dave Oysterman (sp?), Reeds team manager, and his gig there, it sheds a little light on how they do it.
I think they are just too big. Too bureaucratic. The opposite of KTM. 16 engineers, dealing with a plethora of suppliers,
bean counters, design and art guys. Too slow making a racing bike to keep up with the current stuff.
That’s what happened back in the 70s with the orange ones. Buy the time they got them out, everyone else was already water cooled, while the best they could do was an air cooled bike made in Italy.

No, they figured out what works best for them. How they can make money.
Big cruisers are their fortae, always have been.
That they know their limits, eh, smart business.
i agree HD has solidified being the king of motorcycles. If i had to choose a road bike it would be a HD and nothing else. They are smart in business for sure and have a awesome reputation and millions of bikes on the road.

and you couldnt be more right that would be a great mainly on, sometimes light off road bike. probobly hauls ass to im sure they have it powered real well.
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KennyT 7/31/2018 8:43pm
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Actually a lot of fast old MXers have gone to adventure bikes. They don’t need to be lightweight for what they are used for, which is traveling long distances, mainly on highways with the ability to blast down fire roads or sand washes if desired.

I’m sure the HD will be right up there with the KTM’s n BMW’s, which are a notch above the Jap offerings
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