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Kyle_McNab
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5/21/2018 2:42pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Yup, L4-L5 for me too. Seriously, do the surgery if you can. It's worth it. First couple days was rough, but after that got so much...
Yup, L4-L5 for me too. Seriously, do the surgery if you can. It's worth it. First couple days was rough, but after that got so much better each day.

WarrenMX wrote:
So you had the disc between L4-L5 replaced? You mind me asking your age and how often you ride? How long ago did you have it...
So you had the disc between L4-L5 replaced? You mind me asking your age and how often you ride? How long ago did you have it done?
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I was 24 when I had surgery in 2015. The disc wasn't replaced. They performed a Laminectomy and Microdiscectomy. So they removed a chunk of the...
I was 24 when I had surgery in 2015. The disc wasn't replaced. They performed a Laminectomy and Microdiscectomy. So they removed a chunk of the disk that was pushing on my spine and then ground down part of the vertebra

I was riding at least once or twice a month before I originally got injured. Now with two kids and all, I get to ride once every 2-4 months
So no regrets on the surgery? How was your back before the injury? Around New Years before my injury I could ride the mtb for hours. Now i can’t really ride at all. How long was your recovery after surgery?
5/21/2018 3:02pm
WarrenMX wrote:
So you had the disc between L4-L5 replaced? You mind me asking your age and how often you ride? How long ago did you have it...
So you had the disc between L4-L5 replaced? You mind me asking your age and how often you ride? How long ago did you have it done?
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I was 24 when I had surgery in 2015. The disc wasn't replaced. They performed a Laminectomy and Microdiscectomy. So they removed a chunk of the...
I was 24 when I had surgery in 2015. The disc wasn't replaced. They performed a Laminectomy and Microdiscectomy. So they removed a chunk of the disk that was pushing on my spine and then ground down part of the vertebra

I was riding at least once or twice a month before I originally got injured. Now with two kids and all, I get to ride once every 2-4 months
Kyle_McNab wrote:
So no regrets on the surgery? How was your back before the injury? Around New Years before my injury I could ride the mtb for hours...
So no regrets on the surgery? How was your back before the injury? Around New Years before my injury I could ride the mtb for hours. Now i can’t really ride at all. How long was your recovery after surgery?
No regrets at all! Before the injury I never had any issues with my back. I could ride all day and have no issues at all. After I got injured in March of 2014 I kept working and riding for until just before September and it got so bad that I woke up August 30th and couldn't get up to go to the bathroom. I gave it a few days because I figured it would go away, but it didn't. That was the beginning of a year and a half of sitting around before being able to get back to normal. Had surgery July of 2015 and was back riding in January 2016. Basically a 6 month heal time. I was sore the first few times I rode and I went back to wearing a kidney belt from Kevco Stubbs. Seriously though, don't wait too long! If it wasn't for workmans comp, I would have been able to do the surgery immediately. I missed out on a lot of stuff with my wife and daughter because of that.
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5/21/2018 3:05pm
Had L5S1 fusion three years ago. Best thing I ever did. Got my life back.
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5/21/2018 3:30pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I was 24 when I had surgery in 2015. The disc wasn't replaced. They performed a Laminectomy and Microdiscectomy. So they removed a chunk of the...
I was 24 when I had surgery in 2015. The disc wasn't replaced. They performed a Laminectomy and Microdiscectomy. So they removed a chunk of the disk that was pushing on my spine and then ground down part of the vertebra

I was riding at least once or twice a month before I originally got injured. Now with two kids and all, I get to ride once every 2-4 months
Kyle_McNab wrote:
So no regrets on the surgery? How was your back before the injury? Around New Years before my injury I could ride the mtb for hours...
So no regrets on the surgery? How was your back before the injury? Around New Years before my injury I could ride the mtb for hours. Now i can’t really ride at all. How long was your recovery after surgery?
mattyhamz2 wrote:
No regrets at all! Before the injury I never had any issues with my back. I could ride all day and have no issues at all...
No regrets at all! Before the injury I never had any issues with my back. I could ride all day and have no issues at all. After I got injured in March of 2014 I kept working and riding for until just before September and it got so bad that I woke up August 30th and couldn't get up to go to the bathroom. I gave it a few days because I figured it would go away, but it didn't. That was the beginning of a year and a half of sitting around before being able to get back to normal. Had surgery July of 2015 and was back riding in January 2016. Basically a 6 month heal time. I was sore the first few times I rode and I went back to wearing a kidney belt from Kevco Stubbs. Seriously though, don't wait too long! If it wasn't for workmans comp, I would have been able to do the surgery immediately. I missed out on a lot of stuff with my wife and daughter because of that.
Man thanks you for taking the time to help me out. Honestly haven’t had a life since February in pain completely miserable because of this but sounds like you went through something very similar to me. They say I don’t have nerve pinching but I’m constantly in pain. Sounds like I should follow up with my orthopedic

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5/21/2018 3:45pm
Kyle_McNab wrote:
So no regrets on the surgery? How was your back before the injury? Around New Years before my injury I could ride the mtb for hours...
So no regrets on the surgery? How was your back before the injury? Around New Years before my injury I could ride the mtb for hours. Now i can’t really ride at all. How long was your recovery after surgery?
mattyhamz2 wrote:
No regrets at all! Before the injury I never had any issues with my back. I could ride all day and have no issues at all...
No regrets at all! Before the injury I never had any issues with my back. I could ride all day and have no issues at all. After I got injured in March of 2014 I kept working and riding for until just before September and it got so bad that I woke up August 30th and couldn't get up to go to the bathroom. I gave it a few days because I figured it would go away, but it didn't. That was the beginning of a year and a half of sitting around before being able to get back to normal. Had surgery July of 2015 and was back riding in January 2016. Basically a 6 month heal time. I was sore the first few times I rode and I went back to wearing a kidney belt from Kevco Stubbs. Seriously though, don't wait too long! If it wasn't for workmans comp, I would have been able to do the surgery immediately. I missed out on a lot of stuff with my wife and daughter because of that.
Kyle_McNab wrote:
Man thanks you for taking the time to help me out. Honestly haven’t had a life since February in pain completely miserable because of this but...
Man thanks you for taking the time to help me out. Honestly haven’t had a life since February in pain completely miserable because of this but sounds like you went through something very similar to me. They say I don’t have nerve pinching but I’m constantly in pain. Sounds like I should follow up with my orthopedic
Anytime man. If you need anything just send me a pm. It really sucked!
5/21/2018 4:09pm
Just a question for those that went through the surgery. Was it the symptoms alone that convinced the ortho on surgery or were the tests?

I was 20 at the time, now 22, and when I went through that whole process every doctor basically said no surgeon would touch my back given my age unless basically my disc finally just herniated. Even after seeing my MRI and my disk pushing on my nerves, they still took me through the PT/Chiro route for weeks on end until I finally said enough was enough and they recommended me for an epidural. I was basically sat down and told that they would never consider cutting me open unless epidural failed or my disc gave up the ghost.

I was kinda against the epidural as they tend to shorten the full lifespan of a disc and they are generally temporar, but it was either that or keep working with the PT. Luckily it worked and almost a year and half later and I don't have issues at the level I once did, I'll have small issues and bad days here and there is all.


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5/21/2018 4:29pm
m121c wrote:
Just a question for those that went through the surgery. Was it the symptoms alone that convinced the ortho on surgery or were the tests? I...
Just a question for those that went through the surgery. Was it the symptoms alone that convinced the ortho on surgery or were the tests?

I was 20 at the time, now 22, and when I went through that whole process every doctor basically said no surgeon would touch my back given my age unless basically my disc finally just herniated. Even after seeing my MRI and my disk pushing on my nerves, they still took me through the PT/Chiro route for weeks on end until I finally said enough was enough and they recommended me for an epidural. I was basically sat down and told that they would never consider cutting me open unless epidural failed or my disc gave up the ghost.

I was kinda against the epidural as they tend to shorten the full lifespan of a disc and they are generally temporar, but it was either that or keep working with the PT. Luckily it worked and almost a year and half later and I don't have issues at the level I once did, I'll have small issues and bad days here and there is all.


Word of advice, I went through the same thing as you (I'm a little older) and the injection helped a lot. It never completely took the pain away but I could start doing core exercises, yoga, ride etc. That was 18 months ago and its been very manageable. Well the last 5 months I've become complacent, still riding but not stretching, not doing core exercises and not doing yoga and my pain has returned. I'm now back to the point where its too painful to do the rehab stuff, so I need to either look at having the injections again or trying something different.

Don't get complacent like I did, keep up the core exercises etc.
5/21/2018 4:46pm
m121c wrote:
Just a question for those that went through the surgery. Was it the symptoms alone that convinced the ortho on surgery or were the tests? I...
Just a question for those that went through the surgery. Was it the symptoms alone that convinced the ortho on surgery or were the tests?

I was 20 at the time, now 22, and when I went through that whole process every doctor basically said no surgeon would touch my back given my age unless basically my disc finally just herniated. Even after seeing my MRI and my disk pushing on my nerves, they still took me through the PT/Chiro route for weeks on end until I finally said enough was enough and they recommended me for an epidural. I was basically sat down and told that they would never consider cutting me open unless epidural failed or my disc gave up the ghost.

I was kinda against the epidural as they tend to shorten the full lifespan of a disc and they are generally temporar, but it was either that or keep working with the PT. Luckily it worked and almost a year and half later and I don't have issues at the level I once did, I'll have small issues and bad days here and there is all.


Since mine was through workmans comp, I had to do every step before they would even think about surgery. Chiro, PT, injections. The doctors told me the injections work 50% of the time, so I had to do it and the pain the first few days was so much worse than it originally was. After that first few days the pain returned to normal, so at my next check up I told them I'm not doing that again, I want surgery asap. But like they said, it's 50/50 on if the injections work or not. I would have loved to have been done after the injections though.
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5/21/2018 4:54pm
m121c wrote:
Just a question for those that went through the surgery. Was it the symptoms alone that convinced the ortho on surgery or were the tests? I...
Just a question for those that went through the surgery. Was it the symptoms alone that convinced the ortho on surgery or were the tests?

I was 20 at the time, now 22, and when I went through that whole process every doctor basically said no surgeon would touch my back given my age unless basically my disc finally just herniated. Even after seeing my MRI and my disk pushing on my nerves, they still took me through the PT/Chiro route for weeks on end until I finally said enough was enough and they recommended me for an epidural. I was basically sat down and told that they would never consider cutting me open unless epidural failed or my disc gave up the ghost.

I was kinda against the epidural as they tend to shorten the full lifespan of a disc and they are generally temporar, but it was either that or keep working with the PT. Luckily it worked and almost a year and half later and I don't have issues at the level I once did, I'll have small issues and bad days here and there is all.


WarrenMX wrote:
Word of advice, I went through the same thing as you (I'm a little older) and the injection helped a lot. It never completely took the...
Word of advice, I went through the same thing as you (I'm a little older) and the injection helped a lot. It never completely took the pain away but I could start doing core exercises, yoga, ride etc. That was 18 months ago and its been very manageable. Well the last 5 months I've become complacent, still riding but not stretching, not doing core exercises and not doing yoga and my pain has returned. I'm now back to the point where its too painful to do the rehab stuff, so I need to either look at having the injections again or trying something different.

Don't get complacent like I did, keep up the core exercises etc.
@m121c

Age has nothing to do with it.

I should have done my surgery when I was in my late 20's. Suffered needlessly for years...

After I finally could't take it anymore, here is the steps I went through with the surgeon and insurance...

1. 2-3 months of PT

2. Nerve block

3. Discogram (very painful)

4. L5S1 fusion.

I would say this journey was about 8 months from PT to fusion. You must go through these steps or else insurance won't cover shit.
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5/21/2018 5:05pm Edited Date/Time 5/21/2018 5:18pm
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned, Ice . I was told long time ago by a old wise trainer chiropractor, Ice it. I put a towel down( for leaks )on the couch,fill a gallon Freezer bag (freezer bags work best ).Can use your T-shirt to get used to the cold at first ,but then go straight on your skin. Freeze your back for at least 30-40 mins ,longer the better. Freezing will make the blood leave the bulge and shrink back into place. I have inversion table too,but with bad knees I hardly us it,plus with a bulging disc that thing hurts worse. Ice is the only thing that works for me when it's really bad , been doing this 20 plus years. No surgeries.
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5/21/2018 5:17pm
Forty wrote:
I had one in the late 90s. It went away when I sold my xr600r.
This is so true. I raced harescrambles on that heavy bastard for years. About 1 1/2 hours into a 2 or 3 hour race that shock just gave up (even with a respring/revalve). Just beat you to the point of tears. Of course I raced with 3 blown out discs as well.
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5/21/2018 5:17pm Edited Date/Time 5/21/2018 5:18pm
back pain is the worst, even so, i recommend starting out the day with a Dickens Cider
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5/21/2018 5:23pm
DannoJ919 wrote:
I had one a couple years ago. Mine was pushing on a nerve hard so it was crazy pain. I had the disc replaced with a...
I had one a couple years ago. Mine was pushing on a nerve hard so it was crazy pain. I had the disc replaced with a fake one. No fusion or cage. Been 100% happy and no loss of motion. I tried PT and Chiro but there wasn't any helping mine. They say the shots can help for months at a time but I skipped it and just had mine fixed. Good luck
Interesting, my wife has been through 3 surgeries now and we were told the disc "replacement" wasn't FDA approved and so not covered by insurance in USA. Only available in Europe.
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5/21/2018 5:51pm
Peelout -- You are one funny guy! Lol!
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5/21/2018 5:53pm
DannoJ919 wrote:
I had one a couple years ago. Mine was pushing on a nerve hard so it was crazy pain. I had the disc replaced with a...
I had one a couple years ago. Mine was pushing on a nerve hard so it was crazy pain. I had the disc replaced with a fake one. No fusion or cage. Been 100% happy and no loss of motion. I tried PT and Chiro but there wasn't any helping mine. They say the shots can help for months at a time but I skipped it and just had mine fixed. Good luck
plowboy wrote:
Interesting, my wife has been through 3 surgeries now and we were told the disc "replacement" wasn't FDA approved and so not covered by insurance in...
Interesting, my wife has been through 3 surgeries now and we were told the disc "replacement" wasn't FDA approved and so not covered by insurance in USA. Only available in Europe.
That's true, however there are several doctors who can do the procedure as a test, and they will cover the costs. These tests are currently under review by the FDA so many doctors/institutes will cover the bill.

Depending on where your fusion needs to be done can help determine feasibility of a disc replacement. Typically there is no point in doing a disc replacement in the lower back. From my understanding from my surgeon, that would be reserved a lot more for upper back and neck area.

The L5S1 for example is a mostly useless thing. So doing a fusion there makes a lot me sense then a disc replacement.
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5/21/2018 6:00pm Edited Date/Time 5/21/2018 6:04pm
TXDirt wrote:
That's true, however there are several doctors who can do the procedure as a test, and they will cover the costs. These tests are currently under...
That's true, however there are several doctors who can do the procedure as a test, and they will cover the costs. These tests are currently under review by the FDA so many doctors/institutes will cover the bill.

Depending on where your fusion needs to be done can help determine feasibility of a disc replacement. Typically there is no point in doing a disc replacement in the lower back. From my understanding from my surgeon, that would be reserved a lot more for upper back and neck area.

The L5S1 for example is a mostly useless thing. So doing a fusion there makes a lot me sense then a disc replacement.
Hmmm, wasn't offered but she got lower back an neck done so I guess what you said makes sense. Her thorasic is shot now but that surgery requires cracking ribs and moving guts around so they won't do it til last ditch.
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5/21/2018 6:11pm
I went a good 5 years of not riding right after buying a new bike. I even had a tough time walking. was 35 and 175lbs. sometimes could run, go to the gym. I asked around and got the same old advice. downward dog, yoga, core etc. I couldnt even do the downward dog. Now its my go to if i feel any strains. One of two things totally healed mine. I started doing the ab wheel, where you roll out and back. very very tough. I got to where i could almost do them from a stand. The other thing that i think did something, was a leg press. light weights, laying on your back and pushing up with legs. I would set up the machine so that my knees would come very close to my chest. that seemed to stretch something at my problem area of l5-s1. one of those two totally got me back to normal. and now I'm racing mountain bikes.. The other key advice you will hear a lot is stretching hamstrings. that also helps. most people can't put their foot on their counter. stretching hamstrings alone really helps.
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5/21/2018 7:17pm
Forty wrote:
I had one in the late 90s. It went away when I sold my xr600r.
plowboy wrote:
This is so true. I raced harescrambles on that heavy bastard for years. About 1 1/2 hours into a 2 or 3 hour race that shock...
This is so true. I raced harescrambles on that heavy bastard for years. About 1 1/2 hours into a 2 or 3 hour race that shock just gave up (even with a respring/revalve). Just beat you to the point of tears. Of course I raced with 3 blown out discs as well.
I hear you! I raced the Millville HS with it in 99 and it damn near killed me. Toward the end I couldn’t pick it up anymore. I just stood over it and cried.
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5/21/2018 7:25pm
TXDirt wrote:
Had L5S1 fusion three years ago. Best thing I ever did. Got my life back.
Was yours done from the front or back?

My wife will need the same done eventually, just a matter of time.
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5/21/2018 7:31pm
Man I feel your pain, I started having back issues at 25, two herniated discs at the lumbar section. Unfortunately, depending on the degree of herniation, It tends to get worse, this is a degenerative/ chronic problem and for a lot of us we only get our life back after a laminectomy or fusion.
Hopefully yours is manageable.
I have two discs that are pretty much gone, I had a laminectomy which helped tremendously. I still ride but have to take every precaution when I go ride.
If you are still able and want to ride, please spend the money in the best suspension you can afford, it makes a huge difference on vertebrae stress, and work as much as you can on your riding technique so you don't sit much, that made enough difference for me to still be able to ride virtually pain free.

Best wishes.
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5/21/2018 8:34pm
I have similar problems with my back. While researching back problems on the internet a ran across a
Dr Stuart McGill. He has some interesting and informative videos that deal with back pain and exercises
to strengthen your back. I would recommend doing a search for the Dr and checking out his videos.
5/21/2018 9:10pm Edited Date/Time 5/21/2018 9:12pm
I've had 3 discs in my neck that have been killng me on and off for 25 years. It's gotten real bad in the last 2 weeks. I've done everything listed here and one of the things that has always helped is mirrored image traction. (Google that one) it puts the curve back in your neck and back to suck the the discs back in. The problem is getting the inflammation down so the nerve pain is manageable. I own a shit ton of Ice Packs ($200-$300 worth) it is my only real relief I can get. Pain pills do nothing for the nerve pain
I finally got 2 weeks off and 2 new bikes and couldn't ride a single day !! Spent everyday with the nerve pain shooting down my arm, between my shoulder blade and of course my neck itself. Haven had a descen night sleep in 2 weeks. I did cryotherapy treatments, which is an experience in itself. If you've done it than you already know this. Lol Holy cow that was COLD ! But it did do wonders for every part of my body, EXCEPT my neck.
I'm currently ingesting 100mg of CBD Products (Oils, edibles and even bought a VAPE pen) That shit is expensive too.... I'm still in a lot of pain and I started back to work today, 13 hours on my feet all day, which was like Chinese torture. I'm miserable right now and just hoping I can get past this again, without having surgery. I'll be too busy (working) for the next year to take that kind of time off to heal.
Good luck with your back, I've been lucky with mine. I've broken 8 vertebrates in the past, three differen accidents. (1- car accident, two motorcycle crashes), but I have no disc problems, although I'm stiff AF on daily basis, but I can live with that. My body is loaded with arthritis, I'm doomed !
5/21/2018 9:12pm Edited Date/Time 5/21/2018 9:13pm
I would love an answer for this. Been dealing with 24/7 upper back pain for 7 long months now. T6-T8 one bulging and one herniated disc. Two bulging in lower back but dont feel those. Had 14 cortisone shots, epidural shots, months of chiro/PT all with no help. Seen 3 docs, next step I was told was more cortisone shots and one doc wants to try to burn the nerve roots(RFA). Really sucks as Im 24 and trying to get on the fire department and really into weight lifting. Would do anything for the pain to go away.
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5/21/2018 9:44pm
Kyle,

I would try everything you can as affordable as you can before surgery. I’m an ex triathlete who was once a desert racer then got back into dirt bikes at 46 years old. I started to have a back issue. MRI showed bulged disc between L4 and L5. The chiropractor (who has a picture of him and Tiger Woods from a medical visit) I was going to suggested the MRI, saw it and said “you’re screwed” it will never heal you can only manage it. He suggested I stop running because he thought, based on other clients, that running was the culprit (he mentioned another Ironman who had 5 discs fused with surgery.) so I was disappointed. I then went to my “holistic” doctor for my 50th checkup (because I don’t agree with the normal you need a pill approach.). I’m not a big holistic believer but I’m not a “get on a pill” type of guy. So, the holistic doctor keeps probing me with questions on my physical, I finally tell him about my back and what my chiropractor said. He completely disagrees and says running isn’t an up and down motion. He says there has to be something else I’m doing causing the compression. I tell him about dirt bikes and he says that’s what it is way before running. So, I’m disappointed again. I then tell him about the chiropractor bad news about not healing. He disagrees and says there is this table machine called the DRX9000 or (something like that) that has healed many bulged discs, to the point where surgeons have kicked chiropractors out of their offices because of it. He says the downside is insurance doesn’t cover it and it’s a $5000 dollar commitment. He said it gets a bad rap because people quit half way through the treatment but those that complete it have incredible results.

I go back to my chiropractor who said I’m screwed and I tell him about this. He agrees with my holistic guy now saying he knows chiropractors who lost their A_ _ on that machine because insurance won’t cover it but it has had a lot of success. So, I researched it and wasn’t ready to commit to $5,000 in treatments based on reviews (. Although I know most of them quit half way through). So I reasearched more about this concept of stretching the spine and sucking the disc back into form. There was a natural healing website that had no interest in selling any machines. They recommended an inversion machine, a kneeling back machine, and one where you lay on it. I went with the kneeling machine for $300 because I would rather try that before $5,000. Well, the darn thing worked and healed my back. Anytime it starts to act up I go back in it and “bam” it works. It’s called the Nubax Trio. It even said the first 2 weeks it would get worse before it gets better. I didn’t believe any of this at first but it did work. I have no interest in the machine or what you do, just sharing an interesting story about doctors, opinions, and what worked for me.
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5/21/2018 10:34pm
Look into foundation training. I had a midly bulged l5s1 that was really giving me grief. I focused heavily on my core and spent a lot of time on foundation training and, touch wood, I haven't had any back issues for 12 months.
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5/21/2018 11:06pm
look up yoga inversion swing on youtube. hang upside down from your hips. its just like having a decompression treatment from your chiropractor. your body is locked up because you are injured. dont try to stretch it out. it will take some time but one day soon you will unlock as injury heals. massage therapist will be able to unlock your back after your disc sucks back in and heals. you can use a TRX in stead of a yoga swing by putting up TRX by its handles. creating a "U" shape to lay back into. see youtube videos. This really works.
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5/22/2018 12:20am
Had 2 that messed with me for 15+ years. Chiro, Traction, Graston, and a little core building got me racing hare scrambles. It's been a good year of solid work and I'm feeling way more froggy. It was my last option that didn't require surgery. In my case it worked out very well.
5/22/2018 12:21am
KAB wrote:
Kyle, I would try everything you can as affordable as you can before surgery. I’m an ex triathlete who was once a desert racer then got...
Kyle,

I would try everything you can as affordable as you can before surgery. I’m an ex triathlete who was once a desert racer then got back into dirt bikes at 46 years old. I started to have a back issue. MRI showed bulged disc between L4 and L5. The chiropractor (who has a picture of him and Tiger Woods from a medical visit) I was going to suggested the MRI, saw it and said “you’re screwed” it will never heal you can only manage it. He suggested I stop running because he thought, based on other clients, that running was the culprit (he mentioned another Ironman who had 5 discs fused with surgery.) so I was disappointed. I then went to my “holistic” doctor for my 50th checkup (because I don’t agree with the normal you need a pill approach.). I’m not a big holistic believer but I’m not a “get on a pill” type of guy. So, the holistic doctor keeps probing me with questions on my physical, I finally tell him about my back and what my chiropractor said. He completely disagrees and says running isn’t an up and down motion. He says there has to be something else I’m doing causing the compression. I tell him about dirt bikes and he says that’s what it is way before running. So, I’m disappointed again. I then tell him about the chiropractor bad news about not healing. He disagrees and says there is this table machine called the DRX9000 or (something like that) that has healed many bulged discs, to the point where surgeons have kicked chiropractors out of their offices because of it. He says the downside is insurance doesn’t cover it and it’s a $5000 dollar commitment. He said it gets a bad rap because people quit half way through the treatment but those that complete it have incredible results.

I go back to my chiropractor who said I’m screwed and I tell him about this. He agrees with my holistic guy now saying he knows chiropractors who lost their A_ _ on that machine because insurance won’t cover it but it has had a lot of success. So, I researched it and wasn’t ready to commit to $5,000 in treatments based on reviews (. Although I know most of them quit half way through). So I reasearched more about this concept of stretching the spine and sucking the disc back into form. There was a natural healing website that had no interest in selling any machines. They recommended an inversion machine, a kneeling back machine, and one where you lay on it. I went with the kneeling machine for $300 because I would rather try that before $5,000. Well, the darn thing worked and healed my back. Anytime it starts to act up I go back in it and “bam” it works. It’s called the Nubax Trio. It even said the first 2 weeks it would get worse before it gets better. I didn’t believe any of this at first but it did work. I have no interest in the machine or what you do, just sharing an interesting story about doctors, opinions, and what worked for me.
Glad you found something that worked!

My PT place was a spine and extemity health clinic, and they had the DRX9000 machine that they used on me to try and decompress my discs. I used it for about a month or two at 4-5 times a week for the first 2-3 weeks and steadily decined down, and I could actually feel a difference. As soon as I stopped doing it every day to every other day, the pain came back, and it was with a vegence. Really cool machine though. Once it starts to decompress your spine, you feel instant relief and almost weightlessness, Id usually take a nap through the treatment lol.

@TX and the age thing, I don’t think so either, but the doctors kept telling me that. They were afraid of making things worse with surgery at a young age. I’m sure my scoliosis probably influences that decsion in some way as well.

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5/22/2018 12:53am
TXDirt wrote:
Had L5S1 fusion three years ago. Best thing I ever did. Got my life back.
JAFO92 wrote:
Was yours done from the front or back?

My wife will need the same done eventually, just a matter of time.
Mine was front and back. The front was the major incision point and then a few small incisions in back. First two weeks recovery were pure hell. But then it got better. Three years post op and not a single issue. Can do anything I want.
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DannoJ919 wrote:
I had one a couple years ago. Mine was pushing on a nerve hard so it was crazy pain. I had the disc replaced with a...
I had one a couple years ago. Mine was pushing on a nerve hard so it was crazy pain. I had the disc replaced with a fake one. No fusion or cage. Been 100% happy and no loss of motion. I tried PT and Chiro but there wasn't any helping mine. They say the shots can help for months at a time but I skipped it and just had mine fixed. Good luck
What are the negatives with the fusion and the cage?

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