The real GOAT

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5/5/2018 7:12pm
on 2 strokes, MC was the King. Take away the 2 strokes and RC become the SX Goat i believe. Reed would be a close 2nd in both over time. Stewart and RV were fast at times but not the GOATs
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5/5/2018 8:47pm
gnarwhip wrote:
MC is the GOAT of supercross
RC is the GOAT of the outdoors
surfer22 wrote:
Supercross only
RC, MC, RV, JS

Outdoors
RC, RV, JS, MC

Overall
RC, RV, MC, JS
mxb2 wrote:
Ya might wanna check dungeys stats. Tied w MC.
X2. Sorry one outdoor title dropped MC allot lower than 3rd overall
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5/5/2018 8:48pm
TDeath21 wrote:
I’m not even going to take this terrible bait you’ve casted. I’ll just say that you only picked the best season of one of the riders...
I’m not even going to take this terrible bait you’ve casted. I’ll just say that you only picked the best season of one of the riders. Villopoto. McGrath should be 96, Carmichael should be 02, and Stewart should be 07.
2007 Stewart owns everyone
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5/5/2018 8:52pm
gnarwhip wrote:
MC is the GOAT of supercross
RC is the GOAT of the outdoors
surfer22 wrote:
Supercross only
RC, MC, RV, JS

Outdoors
RC, RV, JS, MC

Overall
RC, RV, MC, JS
You put RC ahead of MC in sx? Are you high? MC has 72 wins, RC has 48. MC has 7 titles, RC has 5. Wtf

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rehan53 wrote:
Never been a racer like RC. It’s not even a question.
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5/6/2018 1:42am
How in the hell tall/large is that Rocky Mountain guy? He makes the other two look like midgets. Wow.
Are you talking about Benny Bloss? I met him today in Vegas actually, really cool dude, and he's very tall, I'm 6'2 and felt short next to him, he's gotta be at least 6'4 maybe 6'6 with boots and everything on for sure.
5/6/2018 5:17am
I will always argue for Rodger DeCoster. You take any of the recent champions and put them up against riders in the 70’s and 80’s on identical equipment only one had the drive and determination to be successful and that was RC. Wonder boy MC reigned during the slacker party era. Carmichael beat MC even though McGrath had more natural talent in his pinky than Ricky had all together. In Supercross I’d put Bailey and Johnson ahead of McGrath. They had to negotiate track obstacles with no flow to them designed with no rhythm yet they made up jump combinations. During the 90’s Supercross was giving factories the track designs or at least jump dimensions. Don’t bring up Stewart he was the modern day Magoo. Just a hand grenade with the pin pulled circumnavigating the track not if, when......plus this new generation started losing the MX des Nations
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5/6/2018 5:28am
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I will always argue for Rodger DeCoster. You take any of the recent champions and put them up against riders in the 70’s and 80’s on...
I will always argue for Rodger DeCoster. You take any of the recent champions and put them up against riders in the 70’s and 80’s on identical equipment only one had the drive and determination to be successful and that was RC. Wonder boy MC reigned during the slacker party era. Carmichael beat MC even though McGrath had more natural talent in his pinky than Ricky had all together. In Supercross I’d put Bailey and Johnson ahead of McGrath. They had to negotiate track obstacles with no flow to them designed with no rhythm yet they made up jump combinations. During the 90’s Supercross was giving factories the track designs or at least jump dimensions. Don’t bring up Stewart he was the modern day Magoo. Just a hand grenade with the pin pulled circumnavigating the track not if, when......plus this new generation started losing the MX des Nations
Decoster, you bother reading the thread? He ever even race SX?
5/6/2018 5:56am
No question at all DeCoster would have been dominant at SX as well hell I’d though Joël Robert in there as well.
5/6/2018 6:10am
It’s impossible to compare different era’s with different bike tech, training and physiological knowledge. The only comparison that can be made is how they were against...
It’s impossible to compare different era’s with different bike tech, training and physiological knowledge.
The only comparison that can be made is how they were against their competitors at the time, there is a reason McGrath is known as the King
The factors don't really matter when you consider how bad ass Ricky Carmichael was and how much he won. He is hands-down the best motorcross racer of all time. Not a single question about it.
5/6/2018 6:12am Edited Date/Time 5/6/2018 6:13am
Halfast816 wrote:
No question at all DeCoster would have been dominant at SX as well hell I’d though Joël Robert in there as well.
Who was the first guy to ever ride a motorcycle? Might as well throw his name in the mix while we are being all theoretical.
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5/6/2018 6:45am
Rc ruined it for everyone when he brought aldon into the sport! If it wasnt for him we probably would have gotten a couple more years out of mcgrath and could still plan on partying with everyone who raced after the main! Not my goat!
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5/6/2018 7:33am
2004 Reed and 96 MC to close to call
2005 RC and 2007 JS
2013 RV
1988 RJ
2016 RD
2017 Tomac
That is just for a Title
If we are going on pure speed
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Tomac
End of 2003 and 2004 Reed 2005 RC 2013 RV 1996 MC tie
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5/6/2018 9:12am
Halfast816 wrote:
I will always argue for Rodger DeCoster. You take any of the recent champions and put them up against riders in the 70’s and 80’s on...
I will always argue for Rodger DeCoster. You take any of the recent champions and put them up against riders in the 70’s and 80’s on identical equipment only one had the drive and determination to be successful and that was RC. Wonder boy MC reigned during the slacker party era. Carmichael beat MC even though McGrath had more natural talent in his pinky than Ricky had all together. In Supercross I’d put Bailey and Johnson ahead of McGrath. They had to negotiate track obstacles with no flow to them designed with no rhythm yet they made up jump combinations. During the 90’s Supercross was giving factories the track designs or at least jump dimensions. Don’t bring up Stewart he was the modern day Magoo. Just a hand grenade with the pin pulled circumnavigating the track not if, when......plus this new generation started losing the MX des Nations
Decoster, you bother reading the thread? He ever even race SX?
DeCoster won the 1974 Daytona Supercross in the 500cc class. As far as I know, that was the only time he ever raced SX.
5/6/2018 9:34am
KennyT wrote:
Although MC may be labeled the King of SX I don’t think anyone had the outright speed of Stewart, but I don’t think he would stay...
Although MC may be labeled the King of SX I don’t think anyone had the outright speed of Stewart, but I don’t think he would stay upright against a gate with those other 3 in the race.

MC was going against a mediocre field for a good portion of his career.

For the full 20 lapped I would go
RC
MC
RV
Stewart (fastest lap but wads it up with a 20 second lead)
When ever people say this " MC was going against a mediocre field for a good portion of his career" makes me just lol.

Yea, Stanton, Kiedrowski, Henry, Lusk, Emig, Lamson , Pichon, Huffman, Windam, Vulliemen and RC for two years was such mediocrity.

Outside of Reed and Stewy, RC had nobody. Hell, Nic Wey was a top 5 rider when RC dominated.
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5/6/2018 9:36am
It’s weird that pretty much every racer, including MC, RC, KW ,RV, agree the no one has ever been as fast or talented as JS. But what would they know? Ask a local novice and he’ll tell you who was best.
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5/6/2018 9:44am
UpTiTe wrote:
When ever people say this " MC was going against a mediocre field for a good portion of his career" makes me just lol. Yea, Stanton...
When ever people say this " MC was going against a mediocre field for a good portion of his career" makes me just lol.

Yea, Stanton, Kiedrowski, Henry, Lusk, Emig, Lamson , Pichon, Huffman, Windam, Vulliemen and RC for two years was such mediocrity.

Outside of Reed and Stewy, RC had nobody. Hell, Nic Wey was a top 5 rider when RC dominated.
Then we have this guy^^^^ saying RCs completion was mediocre. You do know he raced mcgrath right? He only had to race the best supercross riders ever in history. Go ahead and add up your win totals. Somehow you consider Pichon, huffman and Lamson as serious sx competition. How many wins for them?
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5/6/2018 9:59am
UpTiTe wrote:
When ever people say this " MC was going against a mediocre field for a good portion of his career" makes me just lol. Yea, Stanton...
When ever people say this " MC was going against a mediocre field for a good portion of his career" makes me just lol.

Yea, Stanton, Kiedrowski, Henry, Lusk, Emig, Lamson , Pichon, Huffman, Windam, Vulliemen and RC for two years was such mediocrity.

Outside of Reed and Stewy, RC had nobody. Hell, Nic Wey was a top 5 rider when RC dominated.
I don't think many of the posters watched SX in the 90s.

Still, I've always thought James was the fastest most natural SX rider I've ever seen, but MC is the King for good reason.
5/6/2018 10:03am Edited Date/Time 5/6/2018 10:09am
UpTiTe wrote:
When ever people say this " MC was going against a mediocre field for a good portion of his career" makes me just lol. Yea, Stanton...
When ever people say this " MC was going against a mediocre field for a good portion of his career" makes me just lol.

Yea, Stanton, Kiedrowski, Henry, Lusk, Emig, Lamson , Pichon, Huffman, Windam, Vulliemen and RC for two years was such mediocrity.

Outside of Reed and Stewy, RC had nobody. Hell, Nic Wey was a top 5 rider when RC dominated.
Nesc39 wrote:
Then we have this guy^^^^ saying RCs completion was mediocre. You do know he raced mcgrath right? He only had to race the best supercross riders...
Then we have this guy^^^^ saying RCs completion was mediocre. You do know he raced mcgrath right? He only had to race the best supercross riders ever in history. Go ahead and add up your win totals. Somehow you consider Pichon, huffman and Lamson as serious sx competition. How many wins for them?
LMAO. Yea, I'm saying RC was mediocre. If thats what you got from my post then you're in serious need of a reading comprehension class.

Wey, Ferry and Tedesco were top 5 guys when RC was winning, how many wins do they have?

My point is that McGraths comp was every bit as stacked as RCs, but when you're so much faster they don't seem to be.

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5/6/2018 10:08am
KennyT wrote:
Although MC may be labeled the King of SX I don’t think anyone had the outright speed of Stewart, but I don’t think he would stay...
Although MC may be labeled the King of SX I don’t think anyone had the outright speed of Stewart, but I don’t think he would stay upright against a gate with those other 3 in the race.

MC was going against a mediocre field for a good portion of his career.

For the full 20 lapped I would go
RC
MC
RV
Stewart (fastest lap but wads it up with a 20 second lead)
UpTiTe wrote:
When ever people say this " MC was going against a mediocre field for a good portion of his career" makes me just lol. Yea, Stanton...
When ever people say this " MC was going against a mediocre field for a good portion of his career" makes me just lol.

Yea, Stanton, Kiedrowski, Henry, Lusk, Emig, Lamson , Pichon, Huffman, Windam, Vulliemen and RC for two years was such mediocrity.

Outside of Reed and Stewy, RC had nobody. Hell, Nic Wey was a top 5 rider when RC dominated.
Outside of the second and forth winingest riders in history RC had no one?

He didn't just beat MC in 2001 he made it so he never won a race again. In 2000 MC had his second best season in SX and wasn't racing MX like everyone else so he was pretty fresh. 2001 RC came In and changed the game.

Pre back injury DV was no joke indoors either circa 2000 and 02.

Plus Windham only won 1 race after 2001 with RC in the field and that was after RC crashed out of the lead. Think of that Windham won 1 SX race from 01 through 07 with RC racing and never beat him straight up. Ezra Lusk who won 9 races in 98 & 99 and crashed out of more wins only beat RC twice as well from 2001 on A1 01 and Phenoix in 03 and that's it.

RC retired the winnengest SX rider of all time and made it so the second and forth winningest riders never beat him for a title.

RC had more competition than MC for sure. He had MC in 01, gave his competition a race in 02 and started out injuried and from 03 on had Reed and from 05 on has Stewart. Plus Windham, DV, Lusk, Larocco, Ferry, Tedesco, Pastrana, etc at different times of their careers.
5/6/2018 10:13am
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Outside of the second and forth winingest riders in history RC had no one? He didn't just beat MC in 2001 he made it so he...
Outside of the second and forth winingest riders in history RC had no one?

He didn't just beat MC in 2001 he made it so he never won a race again. In 2000 MC had his second best season in SX and wasn't racing MX like everyone else so he was pretty fresh. 2001 RC came In and changed the game.

Pre back injury DV was no joke indoors either circa 2000 and 02.

Plus Windham only won 1 race after 2001 with RC in the field and that was after RC crashed out of the lead. Think of that Windham won 1 SX race from 01 through 07 with RC racing and never beat him straight up. Ezra Lusk who won 9 races in 98 & 99 and crashed out of more wins only beat RC twice as well from 2001 on A1 01 and Phenoix in 03 and that's it.

RC retired the winnengest SX rider of all time and made it so the second and forth winningest riders never beat him for a title.

RC had more competition than MC for sure. He had MC in 01, gave his competition a race in 02 and started out injuried and from 03 on had Reed and from 05 on has Stewart. Plus Windham, DV, Lusk, Larocco, Ferry, Tedesco, Pastrana, etc at different times of their careers.
I certainly hope a juiced 22 year old could beat the 31 year old champ.

And I agree, RC had to race the two fastest guys of that time, but the guys racing McGrath were fast too, but McGrath was just that much faster.
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5/6/2018 11:16am
Being one of two racers to win four consecutive supercross championships makes you a spoiled brat? Wtf is this garbage?
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5/7/2018 4:40am
Stewart is hands down the GOAT
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I don't think many of the posters watched SX in the 90s. Still, I've always thought James was the fastest most natural SX rider I've ever...
I don't think many of the posters watched SX in the 90s.

Still, I've always thought James was the fastest most natural SX rider I've ever seen, but MC is the King for good reason.
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5/7/2018 6:59am Edited Date/Time 5/7/2018 7:00am

He won them all, with everything and everywhere, in Europe, in the USA, with 125, with 250, with 500, Motocross or Supercross.
If it coincides with other possible GOATS, he would win again. Easy
But yes, a year, which then gets bored and needs new challenges.Smile
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5/7/2018 7:14am
What about Rocky Marciano?
That's they one!!!!!!!!!!
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5/7/2018 7:34am
I can't put Reed into this argument because he only won titles when the #1 guy wasn't able to race him. He's fast and a great rider, but he always knew who daddy was. Same with Dungey. Since we're talking all of this hypothetical BS, You put their main competition on the line with them and they both get put to bed with no dinner.

RC and RV rival each other in racecraft and could somehow will themselves to first place.

MC is the King, and even well into this 30s was impressive in Supercross during the mid 2000s.

With all of this said if we could somehow make this race happen I would be crazy to not put my money on the man who can win by 20 seconds or yard sale it trying to...James Stewart 2007 (when he actually led RC in SX points through his farewell tour) who has the second most SX wins ever.

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5/7/2018 10:17am
jsmi33966 wrote:
2009 js7 vs 1998 McGrath vs 2006 Carmichael vs 2013 spoiled brat Villopoto All on equal bikes on supercross who would win? I pick JS7 because...
2009 js7 vs
1998 McGrath vs
2006 Carmichael vs
2013 spoiled brat Villopoto
All on equal bikes on supercross who would win?

I pick JS7 because I have seen all these guys in person and I have never seen anyone rail a berm like JS7 and I think James was beating Carmichael at or near his prime McGrath did not have the fitness and I just don't like Villipoto from thing I have heard about him
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Punctuation...it's your friend.
Yes it is ! And to add about Villopoto, that dude is the funniest SOB of them all. Listen to him on pulp, you'll change your tune.

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