MXGP of Valkenswaard - Race thread

shaffstall721 3/18/2018 9:49am
3/18/2018 9:49am
I was watching and confused on how he got around him, on the waves he was one second behind then he passed him 2 corners later.

anyways is red sand actually a sand track or more like somewhat sandy? Wondering if 222 has a chance or not.
Finnish_Flash_62 3/18/2018 9:52am
3/18/2018 9:52am
shaffstall721 wrote:
I was watching and confused on how he got around him, on the waves he was one second behind then he passed him 2 corners later...
I was watching and confused on how he got around him, on the waves he was one second behind then he passed him 2 corners later.

anyways is red sand actually a sand track or more like somewhat sandy? Wondering if 222 has a chance or not.
I’m not quite sure how sandy, but Herlings should have an advantage in track knowledge since he trained there in the winter.
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brycepdh 3/18/2018 9:54am
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crusty_xx wrote:
Jonass aka Pauls Ryans Dungeys
1-1 1-1 so far
Lawrence and PRado already more than 30 points off wow

BobPA wrote:
Where is that guy who kept insisting that Hunter was the fastest 250 rider on the planet?
You talking about me? I have not said that Hunter is the fastest 250 rider on the planet dude. I just see a lot of potential in him and yeah I am Australian and may be biased? All that you can gain from me in what I've said is a supporter of him. I have not said HE is the fastest, just pointing out the flaws and what he needs to do to bring the fight to the top. Can't blame me for being a supporter of him, I haven't said anything to bring any other riders down or discredit them. Props to Jonas and Prado for awesome racing all the way to the end.
St Ann More 3/18/2018 9:55am
3/18/2018 9:55am Edited Date/Time 3/18/2018 9:56am
shaffstall721 wrote:
I was watching and confused on how he got around him, on the waves he was one second behind then he passed him 2 corners later...
I was watching and confused on how he got around him, on the waves he was one second behind then he passed him 2 corners later.

anyways is red sand actually a sand track or more like somewhat sandy? Wondering if 222 has a chance or not.
Gasjer was a lapper, Cairoli switched lines to get pass. Herlings could take the inside, had the momentum into the straight, over the finish line and got the inside into the next corner.

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Pedro Tragter and Dave Strijbos should appreciate

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mzl 3/18/2018 10:01am
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shaffstall721 wrote:
I was watching and confused on how he got around him, on the waves he was one second behind then he passed him 2 corners later...
I was watching and confused on how he got around him, on the waves he was one second behind then he passed him 2 corners later.

anyways is red sand actually a sand track or more like somewhat sandy? Wondering if 222 has a chance or not.
Red Sand
RichardLoots 3/18/2018 10:01am
3/18/2018 10:01am
St Ann More wrote:
Gasjer was a lapper, Cairoli switched lines to get pass. Herlings could take the inside, had the momentum into the straight, over the finish line and...
Gasjer was a lapper, Cairoli switched lines to get pass. Herlings could take the inside, had the momentum into the straight, over the finish line and got the inside into the next corner.
dude , are you in anyway related to Paul Malin ??
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RG1 3/18/2018 10:01am
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Phenomenal ride by Herlings but Cairoli threw that away again. He started to match Herlings and then he either dropped it or stalled it, couldn't quite see, and it completely changed the momentum of the race
wideopen198 3/18/2018 10:03am
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I love the track announcer. I don’t care if I don’t understand a word he says.
Kees definitely knows how to hype up the crowd on his clogs Laughing

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WCRider 3/18/2018 10:06am
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shaffstall721 wrote:
I was watching and confused on how he got around him, on the waves he was one second behind then he passed him 2 corners later...
I was watching and confused on how he got around him, on the waves he was one second behind then he passed him 2 corners later.

anyways is red sand actually a sand track or more like somewhat sandy? Wondering if 222 has a chance or not.
Any chance. Jeffrey's biggest opponent now is himself.
St Ann More 3/18/2018 10:06am
3/18/2018 10:06am Edited Date/Time 3/18/2018 10:08am
St Ann More wrote:
Gasjer was a lapper, Cairoli switched lines to get pass. Herlings could take the inside, had the momentum into the straight, over the finish line and...
Gasjer was a lapper, Cairoli switched lines to get pass. Herlings could take the inside, had the momentum into the straight, over the finish line and got the inside into the next corner.
RichardLoots wrote:
dude , are you in anyway related to Paul Malin ??
Dude, are you related to Herlings?

Because if you listen objectively (hard I know) Malin praises Jeffrey just as much Antonio!
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63mark 3/18/2018 10:07am
3/18/2018 10:07am Edited Date/Time 3/18/2018 10:12am
St Ann More wrote:
Gasjer was a lapper, Cairoli switched lines to get pass. Herlings could take the inside, had the momentum into the straight, over the finish line and...
Gasjer was a lapper, Cairoli switched lines to get pass. Herlings could take the inside, had the momentum into the straight, over the finish line and got the inside into the next corner.
RichardLoots wrote:
dude , are you in anyway related to Paul Malin ??
^This, i mean, did you not see how fast Herlings was going to make the pass possible, he was full on the gas till the corner

And where the hell did 222 switch his lines???? He was on the outside and stayed on the outside.....
RichardLoots 3/18/2018 10:14am
3/18/2018 10:14am Edited Date/Time 3/18/2018 10:15am
St Ann More wrote:
Dude, are you related to Herlings?

Because if you listen objectively (hard I know) Malin praises Jeffrey just as much Antonio!
your comments sound the same as Malin .. just sayin ...:-)


Another bad lap for Cairoli! Fitness?


That was a bad lap for Cairoli!


Mistake by Cairoli in sector 3!


Cairoli responding!


Does Cairoli have the fitness? Not something usually questioned, but listening to DV on Pulp pre-season he argued that AC has had way too many distractions in the lead up and might be behind the 8 ball.


Another fastest lap of the race! Cairoli wants it!


That lap from Cairoli, impressive! ... and he's looking to lay down another!
St Ann More 3/18/2018 10:58am
3/18/2018 10:58am Edited Date/Time 3/18/2018 11:06am
St Ann More wrote:
Gasjer was a lapper, Cairoli switched lines to get pass. Herlings could take the inside, had the momentum into the straight, over the finish line and...
Gasjer was a lapper, Cairoli switched lines to get pass. Herlings could take the inside, had the momentum into the straight, over the finish line and got the inside into the next corner.
RichardLoots wrote:
dude , are you in anyway related to Paul Malin ??
63mark wrote:
^This, i mean, did you not see how fast Herlings was going to make the pass possible, he was full on the gas till the corner...
^This, i mean, did you not see how fast Herlings was going to make the pass possible, he was full on the gas till the corner

And where the hell did 222 switch his lines???? He was on the outside and stayed on the outside.....
Gasjer was a factor leading upto the pass! He was slow in the penultimate corner, then forced Cairoli into switching lines on the last corner from inside to outside which he hadn't done all race. Herlings had the momentum leading into the finish line and struck! Herlings made up 1.6 seconds to Cairoli in that fourth sector before the next corner where the pass was made!

I'm just describing what I saw on the stream bro to a dude watching on live timing, i'm not suggesting it would've changed the outcome of the race but the pass wouldn't have been made there! Lappers are racing! Herlings deserved to win but jeeze, you Dutch are sensitive!











scottydogmx 3/18/2018 11:09am
3/18/2018 11:09am
St Ann More wrote:
Gasjer was a lapper, Cairoli switched lines to get pass. Herlings could take the inside, had the momentum into the straight, over the finish line and...
Gasjer was a lapper, Cairoli switched lines to get pass. Herlings could take the inside, had the momentum into the straight, over the finish line and got the inside into the next corner.
RichardLoots wrote:
dude , are you in anyway related to Paul Malin ??
St Ann More wrote:
Dude, are you related to Herlings?

Because if you listen objectively (hard I know) Malin praises Jeffrey just as much Antonio!
If you haven't guessed by now, Ritard is Jeffreys' mum! Grinning
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RG1 3/18/2018 11:10am
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As someone who is a huge fan of both Herlings and Cairoli, here's my opinion from what I saw at the track. Regardless of whether or not Cairoli crashes in the first Moto, Herlings wins. Herlings was the fastest of the two, without doubt, but he wasn't light-years ahead of Cairoli on speed. To me, Cairoli had race 2 in the bag. Herlings had started to catch him and for a couple of laps took big chunks out of AC's lead, but Cairoli responded and actually pulled away slightly just before he crashed. He didn't lose a huge amount of time when he crashed and Herlings still had an awful lot to do to catch him, but IMO that crash changed the momentum of the race and without it, I don't think Herlings has enough time to catch and pass AC
RichardLoots 3/18/2018 11:15am
3/18/2018 11:15am
scottydogmx wrote:
If you haven't guessed by now, Ritard is Jeffreys' mum! Grinning
must be hard to accept for Paul Malins brother , Herlings was just faster ..in both moto's .. maybe next time its Cairoli again , but im not making excuses
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Fiar 3/18/2018 11:19am
3/18/2018 11:19am Edited Date/Time 3/18/2018 11:26am
RG1 wrote:
As someone who is a huge fan of both Herlings and Cairoli, here's my opinion from what I saw at the track. Regardless of whether or...
As someone who is a huge fan of both Herlings and Cairoli, here's my opinion from what I saw at the track. Regardless of whether or not Cairoli crashes in the first Moto, Herlings wins. Herlings was the fastest of the two, without doubt, but he wasn't light-years ahead of Cairoli on speed. To me, Cairoli had race 2 in the bag. Herlings had started to catch him and for a couple of laps took big chunks out of AC's lead, but Cairoli responded and actually pulled away slightly just before he crashed. He didn't lose a huge amount of time when he crashed and Herlings still had an awful lot to do to catch him, but IMO that crash changed the momentum of the race and without it, I don't think Herlings has enough time to catch and pass AC
Maybe Cairoli is pushing too hard to keep in front of Herlings. What is hear is AC always making excuses, mistake there, season is long blabla. He pretends that if he push a bit harder he can keep in front of Herlings. But he says that he don't want to take any risk. I'm damn sure AC is riding on his best but it isn't enough for JH.

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RG1 3/18/2018 11:20am
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RG1 wrote:
As someone who is a huge fan of both Herlings and Cairoli, here's my opinion from what I saw at the track. Regardless of whether or...
As someone who is a huge fan of both Herlings and Cairoli, here's my opinion from what I saw at the track. Regardless of whether or not Cairoli crashes in the first Moto, Herlings wins. Herlings was the fastest of the two, without doubt, but he wasn't light-years ahead of Cairoli on speed. To me, Cairoli had race 2 in the bag. Herlings had started to catch him and for a couple of laps took big chunks out of AC's lead, but Cairoli responded and actually pulled away slightly just before he crashed. He didn't lose a huge amount of time when he crashed and Herlings still had an awful lot to do to catch him, but IMO that crash changed the momentum of the race and without it, I don't think Herlings has enough time to catch and pass AC
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Maybe Cairoli is pushing too hard to keep in front of Herlings. What is hear is AC always making excuses, mistake there, season is long blabla...
Maybe Cairoli is pushing too hard to keep in front of Herlings. What is hear is AC always making excuses, mistake there, season is long blabla. He pretends that if he push a bit harder he can keep in front of Herlings. But he says that he don't want to take any risk. I'm damn sure AC is riding on his best but it isn't enough for JH.
Definitely a possibility
St Ann More 3/18/2018 11:31am
3/18/2018 11:31am Edited Date/Time 3/18/2018 11:45am
St Ann More wrote:
Dude, are you related to Herlings?

Because if you listen objectively (hard I know) Malin praises Jeffrey just as much Antonio!
RichardLoots wrote:
your comments sound the same as Malin .. just sayin ...:-) Another bad lap for Cairoli! Fitness? That was a bad lap for Cairoli! Mistake by...
your comments sound the same as Malin .. just sayin ...:-)


Another bad lap for Cairoli! Fitness?


That was a bad lap for Cairoli!


Mistake by Cairoli in sector 3!


Cairoli responding!


Does Cairoli have the fitness? Not something usually questioned, but listening to DV on Pulp pre-season he argued that AC has had way too many distractions in the lead up and might be behind the 8 ball.


Another fastest lap of the race! Cairoli wants it!


That lap from Cairoli, impressive! ... and he's looking to lay down another!
Nicely played missing out the posts about Herlings!

Alas, I did genuinely wonder whether what DV said prior to Patagonia was right! I was a week behind on Pulp, so listening back after watching what had happened in the second moto in Argentina I thought perhaps he was right and fitness might be a slight problem for Cairoli; given the strong first half of the moto, then a drop in speed, couldn't up it or respond thereafter and lost a 10+ second lead in the process!

Move forward to Valkenswaard today and it happened again in moto 1, granted a crash didn't help but he was looking shaky leading up to that! Then he came out swinging in the second, before small mistakes started to creep in!

Ultimately we'll never really know, but for a guy notoriously strongest come the end of the moto to struggle is weird, perhaps it is age, as much motivation to train, or simply arguably never having to race a guy like Herlings over a season. Maybe a combination of the three or that Herlings is just better. Either way, we're in for a season if this continues and whether it happens this year, 2019 or 2020, we'll see the changing of the guard at one stage here I think!
St Ann More 3/18/2018 11:41am
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RichardLoots wrote:
dude , are you in anyway related to Paul Malin ??
St Ann More wrote:
Dude, are you related to Herlings?

Because if you listen objectively (hard I know) Malin praises Jeffrey just as much Antonio!
scottydogmx wrote:
If you haven't guessed by now, Ritard is Jeffreys' mum! Grinning
Ah, it makes sense! He's a sensitive little soul when it comes to his son! Understandable!
RichardLoots 3/18/2018 11:46am
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St Ann More wrote:
Ah, it makes sense! He's a sensitive little soul when it comes to his son! Understandable!
Laughing Laughing Laughing
RichardLoots 3/18/2018 11:53am
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St Ann More wrote:
Nicely played missing out the posts about Herlings! Alas, I did genuinely wonder whether what DV said prior to Patagonia was right! I was a week...
Nicely played missing out the posts about Herlings!

Alas, I did genuinely wonder whether what DV said prior to Patagonia was right! I was a week behind on Pulp, so listening back after watching what had happened in the second moto in Argentina I thought perhaps he was right and fitness might be a slight problem for Cairoli; given the strong first half of the moto, then a drop in speed, couldn't up it or respond thereafter and lost a 10+ second lead in the process!

Move forward to Valkenswaard today and it happened again in moto 1, granted a crash didn't help but he was looking shaky leading up to that! Then he came out swinging in the second, before small mistakes started to creep in!

Ultimately we'll never really know, but for a guy notoriously strongest come the end of the moto to struggle is weird, perhaps it is age, as much motivation to train, or simply arguably never having to race a guy like Herlings over a season. Maybe a combination of the three or that Herlings is just better. Either way, we're in for a season if this continues and whether it happens this year, 2019 or 2020, we'll see the changing of the guard at one stage here I think!
Take Herlings out of the results and look how awesome Cairoli would have been ... Cairoli is at his best , just found a contender for the title who's fitness is maybe just a bit better ... how does this version sound ?? its a long season and lot of racing to go , there will be a lot more exciting racing to go. Lets hope they all stay healthy and the best man wins at the end of the season , Cairoli would win his 10th and Herlings his first big class title ...both sound great
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Anchor 3/18/2018 12:02pm
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Herlings would rather die than get beat by Cairoli, fucking love it.
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Jonass reminds me of Dungey alot. He's going to be extremely hard to beat, as he's too damn consistent. Even if he doesn't win, he'll podium
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shuggs 3/18/2018 12:32pm
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Anchor wrote:
Herlings would rather die than get beat by Cairoli, fucking love it.
Both ways as they both are aware of who will be their biggest challenger
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Bidirella 3/18/2018 12:39pm
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Amazing racing by Herlings, but man he really needs to get better starts. Now he can make up the time on a rough sand track, but when they go to the hard pack GPs he will not close that gap to Cairoli. He is just to good at the openings laps.

4 starts 4 holeshots for Cairoli, Crazy!
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Motofinne 3/18/2018 12:41pm
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Jonass reminds me of Dungey alot. He's going to be extremely hard to beat, as he's too damn consistent. Even if he doesn't win, he'll podium
Yeah, there wont be many motos that he finishes outside the top 3.

That is a massive problem for everyone else that wants the title.
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RG1 3/18/2018 1:03pm
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Jonass reminds me of Dungey alot. He's going to be extremely hard to beat, as he's too damn consistent. Even if he doesn't win, he'll podium
Motofinne wrote:
Yeah, there wont be many motos that he finishes outside the top 3.

That is a massive problem for everyone else that wants the title.
No one will get near him for the title, he's the class of the field. I think he will comfortably be champ again, Prado and Olsen will battle for 2nd. Covington and Lawrence to battle for 4th
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KirkChandler 3/18/2018 1:11pm
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Herlings is a beast. This is why everyone wanted him to race 450s years ago. We are finally seeing the 2 best riders battle race to race.

It’s like the 2005-2007 era of Carmichael/Stewart battles. We only have so many races of greats over lapping their careers.

Hopefully Gajser can get healthy and stay off the ground. He is tough on the hard pack GPs.

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