SX points system needs adjustments

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WOW... LOL Woohoo Woohoo Cool, some great entertainment to read while I get my dinner ready.... BRB Laughing Laughing
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nascar changes the system so it makes it more interesting and tight.....moto has a tight championship battle goin on and this guy wants to change something?
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How can one rider win 7 races and another rider with one win, and be tied? I mean, even with one DNF, I think it’s kinda...
How can one rider win 7 races and another rider with one win, and be tied?
I mean, even with one DNF, I think it’s kinda harsh. I don’t feel like it reflects on how the racing has really been. It's really been a blow out run away season, except for the DNF. Meanwhile, they are tied.Unsure

After 17 rounds, they should drop everyones worst race at the very least.

Unless you are James Stewart who can bang off 7 straight wins...anyone else with a DNF is fucked, unless everyone else also has a DNF.

They really should at the very least, allow for one at the end of all 17 rounds.

I mean...it's not only crashing, it could be pure bad luck...like a broken chain, dropped valve, someone taking you out at the start, whatever...



They may be tied on points but not tied for the Championship. If it ended today JBS would win because of more race wins.

Having said that I agree with Fast Eddy - No points for a DNF
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Bulldog Racing 3/6/2009 5:19pm
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They need to give the winner of each race $50,000 and more guys will go for it! That will get rid of the lame attitude of "I'm going to go for a top ten."
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They should also drop one of their wins. It's not fair to the other people who have a bad race. hell, just give the trophy to the guy who does the sickest whips.
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Maybe they should just give the championship trophy for most impressive lawn dart?
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R-acer wrote:
How can one rider win 7 races and another rider with one win, and be tied? I mean, even with one DNF, I think it’s kinda...
How can one rider win 7 races and another rider with one win, and be tied?
I mean, even with one DNF, I think it’s kinda harsh. I don’t feel like it reflects on how the racing has really been. It's really been a blow out run away season, except for the DNF. Meanwhile, they are tied.Unsure

After 17 rounds, they should drop everyones worst race at the very least.

Unless you are James Stewart who can bang off 7 straight wins...anyone else with a DNF is fucked, unless everyone else also has a DNF.

They really should at the very least, allow for one at the end of all 17 rounds.

I mean...it's not only crashing, it could be pure bad luck...like a broken chain, dropped valve, someone taking you out at the start, whatever...



You’re stalker material pal.

Some scary shit going on here for sure.
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Just another idiotic post to prove that R-asswipe has no fucking clue at all. Congratulations you are world famous.....For being a clueless moron Grinning
reedfan4life 3/6/2009 9:36pm
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OK. So everyone can tell that I am new to this site. And yes, I am a Reed fan. I will have to say that there is alot of great info on here, and alot of smart people making good comments. So good, that sometimes I feel really dumb. But R-acer, you have made me feel like a genius! This is, by far, the stupidest thing I have ever heard! Maybe we should change the rules so JS only has to run 18 laps. Or make his hot laps count towards the race. Better yet, maybe everyone else should have to ride pedal cars! Would that make it a "straight up " race?
Some one said it earlier... Maybe you are getting your excuse ready for the end of the season. Typical JS fan.
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WhKnuckle 3/7/2009 4:41am
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Well, disregarding any advantage to any rider, everyone complains because racing isn't tighter - well, one reason is because a single DNF dooms a rider's series. A guy who's racing for the title is less concerned with winning than he is in avoiding a DNF. If you want racers to race for the win every night, then let them race 17 rounds and count their best 15 finishes. If you want WFO racing, then the points system can't ruin a guy's chances if he DNFs one race.
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WhKnuckle 3/7/2009 6:04am
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Oh, before anyone accuses me of favoring anyone, keep in mind that, if they'd allowed riders to drop his worst race or two, I think Chad would have won the title in '03. I don't have the results any more from then, but I think that's correct.
oLd SKooL 3/7/2009 6:40am
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As much as Mr. R-acer head is up bubba's azz, he is 100% correct.

On a 25 point scale, a win over second should be more than 3 points. A "win" is the pinnacle of racing. It shows who is the dominant racer. The best.

When you reel off 7 straight wins and a DNF in 8 races, and your only "tied" in points with ANYONE else, something needs to be changed. Not so sure about a throw-away, but definately a larger gap between first-second-third points.

This "coasting" to a championship crap would be long gone if a larger chunk of points could be made up for "wins", as I feel it should.
williamsmotowerx 3/7/2009 6:52am
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Who won the championship in was it '91 or '92? Who had the most race wins?
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huck 3/7/2009 7:01am
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Let's just make it 1 race series!!
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oLd SKooL wrote:
As much as Mr. R-acer head is up bubba's azz, he is 100% correct. On a 25 point scale, a win over second should be more...
As much as Mr. R-acer head is up bubba's azz, he is 100% correct.

On a 25 point scale, a win over second should be more than 3 points. A "win" is the pinnacle of racing. It shows who is the dominant racer. The best.

When you reel off 7 straight wins and a DNF in 8 races, and your only "tied" in points with ANYONE else, something needs to be changed. Not so sure about a throw-away, but definately a larger gap between first-second-third points.

This "coasting" to a championship crap would be long gone if a larger chunk of points could be made up for "wins", as I feel it should.
Oh boy. You are dooming yourself by agreeing with R-ectum for your first post! Welcome anyway.

Are you guys forgetting that JS started the season with an 18 point deficit while CR has finished ever race but one in second? WTF is wrong with the scoring system? Nothing.
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williamsmotowerx wrote:
Who won the championship in was it '91 or '92? Who had the most race wins?
Are you talking about the year Bradshaw lost to Stanton?
oLd SKooL 3/7/2009 7:48am
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Thanks Terry. This is just something I have felt strongly about for a while. I just hate it when a racer is able to "coast" the series out with seconds due to the small spread between first and second points in the current setup.

"Finishing" second in 7 straight races is impressive. However, "Winning" 7 consectuctive straight races is a lot more impressive, and should have you leading the points.

Small example: Bubba DNF's Daytona due to a mechanical, and Chad wins. Bubba wins ALL remaining races and finishes the season with 14 wins, a second, a 2 DNF's. Chad has 2 wins, 14 seconds, and a third.

Chad wins the champonship.....

14 wins vs. 2 wins....Hmmmmmm......

Nothing against either rider, as they are the best the world has to offer. Just don't agree with the points completely.



If this was Forrmula 1 or NASCAR, Bubba would be leading the points now.

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curmudgeon wrote:
Getting worried?
R-acer wrote:
about Stewart? Im not worried one bit. He came back from a DNF to take the lead in 7 races, what is there to be worried...
about Stewart? Im not worried one bit. He came back from a DNF to take the lead in 7 races, what is there to be worried about? You think Reed is going to even win one heads up race? no chance.

It's just an Observation about the say the system is set up.
Hey I'd like to see James to win the championship too, but you're crazy if you think Chad needs to win a round "Straight up" in order to win the championship. Math works in funny ways. As I've said many times before the pressure is on James not Chad.

James can win 14 rounds total and Chad not win anymore, with Chad winning the Championship. The pressure is on James to not eff it up.
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oLd SKooL wrote:
Thanks Terry. This is just something I have felt strongly about for a while. I just hate it when a racer is able to "coast" the...
Thanks Terry. This is just something I have felt strongly about for a while. I just hate it when a racer is able to "coast" the series out with seconds due to the small spread between first and second points in the current setup.

"Finishing" second in 7 straight races is impressive. However, "Winning" 7 consectuctive straight races is a lot more impressive, and should have you leading the points.

Small example: Bubba DNF's Daytona due to a mechanical, and Chad wins. Bubba wins ALL remaining races and finishes the season with 14 wins, a second, a 2 DNF's. Chad has 2 wins, 14 seconds, and a third.

Chad wins the champonship.....

14 wins vs. 2 wins....Hmmmmmm......

Nothing against either rider, as they are the best the world has to offer. Just don't agree with the points completely.



If this was Forrmula 1 or NASCAR, Bubba would be leading the points now.
and yet F1 has an even smaller difference in the number of points between 1st and 2nd... 10 - 8 = 2

personally, i reckon we implement a play-off system.... Woohoo
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oLd SKooL wrote:
Thanks Terry. This is just something I have felt strongly about for a while. I just hate it when a racer is able to "coast" the...
Thanks Terry. This is just something I have felt strongly about for a while. I just hate it when a racer is able to "coast" the series out with seconds due to the small spread between first and second points in the current setup.

"Finishing" second in 7 straight races is impressive. However, "Winning" 7 consectuctive straight races is a lot more impressive, and should have you leading the points.

Small example: Bubba DNF's Daytona due to a mechanical, and Chad wins. Bubba wins ALL remaining races and finishes the season with 14 wins, a second, a 2 DNF's. Chad has 2 wins, 14 seconds, and a third.

Chad wins the champonship.....

14 wins vs. 2 wins....Hmmmmmm......

Nothing against either rider, as they are the best the world has to offer. Just don't agree with the points completely.



If this was Forrmula 1 or NASCAR, Bubba would be leading the points now.
Umm, I wasn't agreeing with you on the points system. I think it's fine as is. If you start out a season 1 full race down, should you be able to recover instantly or should you have to work at it??? If Reed would have had one dnf or bad race, JS would have caught him instantly, just like Reed pulled out an instant lead.

You remember the old adage don't you?

To finish first, one must first finish.
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FTE...Brad Lackey...somebody.correct me if i'm wrong but this guy has a point.....but the wrong one

in the old gp days a win was something like

1-25pts
2-20
3-15
4-10
5-8
6-6
7-4
8-3
9-2
10-1

and past that it was nada. a win would get big points but a 3 or 4 wouldn't, and a bad finish nada. that way you could dnf and still get back in it by winning...or placing up near the front consistently. does that make sense?
oLd SKooL 3/7/2009 8:50am
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Terry, I know you weren't agreeing with me...But no, I dont think it should take 7 straight WINS just to get you back to even, no matter where the other guy is finishing. 3-4 max.

I do like Bobby's GP points example. makes more sense, but maybe somehow get points all the way down to last. Just more of a spread up at the top 5 level.

To be perfectly honest, the NASCAR points system would work great. Bonuses for fastest qualifier and laps led would make things a little more exciting all day and night long, and the points would reflect more of the truth of the series.
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WhKnuckle 3/7/2009 9:02am
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To me, the best points system is the one that is reasonable but which keeps everyone going to the line looking to do as well as possible every race and willing to get outside their comfort zone. If you allowed them to drop their lowest score or two, they'd go to the line with so many variables on points they'd just go "Screw it, pin it and figure it out later."
williamsmotowerx 3/7/2009 9:18am
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williamsmotowerx wrote:
Who won the championship in was it '91 or '92? Who had the most race wins?
CR500Rider wrote:
Are you talking about the year Bradshaw lost to Stanton?
exactly. didn't Bradshaw have like 9 wins to stantons 2?

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andymoto 3/7/2009 9:45am
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BobbyM wrote:
FTE...Brad Lackey...somebody.correct me if i'm wrong but this guy has a point.....but the wrong one in the old gp days a win was something like 1-25pts...
FTE...Brad Lackey...somebody.correct me if i'm wrong but this guy has a point.....but the wrong one

in the old gp days a win was something like

1-25pts
2-20
3-15
4-10
5-8
6-6
7-4
8-3
9-2
10-1

and past that it was nada. a win would get big points but a 3 or 4 wouldn't, and a bad finish nada. that way you could dnf and still get back in it by winning...or placing up near the front consistently. does that make sense?
That's the way it should be; 1st should get a bigger advantage; rest ride like their careers depended on it.
tcannon521 3/7/2009 10:11am
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WhKnuckle wrote:
Oh, before anyone accuses me of favoring anyone, keep in mind that, if they'd allowed riders to drop his worst race or two, I think Chad...
Oh, before anyone accuses me of favoring anyone, keep in mind that, if they'd allowed riders to drop his worst race or two, I think Chad would have won the title in '03. I don't have the results any more from then, but I think that's correct.
Correct and as well in 05.

His front wheel locked up in the mud at A1 that year while leading or in 2nd place late in the race...
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WhKnuckle 3/7/2009 10:43am
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WhKnuckle wrote:
Oh, before anyone accuses me of favoring anyone, keep in mind that, if they'd allowed riders to drop his worst race or two, I think Chad...
Oh, before anyone accuses me of favoring anyone, keep in mind that, if they'd allowed riders to drop his worst race or two, I think Chad would have won the title in '03. I don't have the results any more from then, but I think that's correct.
tcannon521 wrote:
Correct and as well in 05. His front wheel locked up in the mud at A1 that year while leading or in 2nd place late in...
Correct and as well in 05.

His front wheel locked up in the mud at A1 that year while leading or in 2nd place late in the race...
OK - and what I'm getting at is, riders today feel like they have to get something every race, they can't take too many chances, and if the bike breaks it's curtains. Allowing them to drop their two worst scores would, in my opinion, allow them to race for the win more.
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axel57 3/7/2009 1:06pm
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WhKnuckle wrote:
Oh, before anyone accuses me of favoring anyone, keep in mind that, if they'd allowed riders to drop his worst race or two, I think Chad...
Oh, before anyone accuses me of favoring anyone, keep in mind that, if they'd allowed riders to drop his worst race or two, I think Chad would have won the title in '03. I don't have the results any more from then, but I think that's correct.
tcannon521 wrote:
Correct and as well in 05. His front wheel locked up in the mud at A1 that year while leading or in 2nd place late in...
Correct and as well in 05.

His front wheel locked up in the mud at A1 that year while leading or in 2nd place late in the race...
WhKnuckle wrote:
OK - and what I'm getting at is, riders today feel like they have to get something every race, they can't take too many chances, and...
OK - and what I'm getting at is, riders today feel like they have to get something every race, they can't take too many chances, and if the bike breaks it's curtains. Allowing them to drop their two worst scores would, in my opinion, allow them to race for the win more.
Who cares. It's racing. That's what its all about. Next you's will want to roll out the red carpet for them to ride on. It's Motorcycle racing. That's why its a championship. To see who is the champion after so many rounds. Regardless of bike issues etc. Consistency wins.
TheWeapon 3/7/2009 1:11pm
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They did change the point system to put more emphasis on winning. A few years back it was 20 - 18 - 16 and so-on. I think....

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