ALWAY5: The Ryan Dungey Story - Full Documentary

ML512 wrote:

What bird does ham come from... Watch to the end to hear that reference...

GuyB wrote:

I've always felt like Ryan was going to be one of those guys that's like a famous artist...appreciated more after he was gone.

ML512 wrote:

What bird does ham come from... Watch to the end to hear that reference...

drt410 wrote:

That was weird to not mention RV. They said how Lawrence messed with him in the beginning but then framed it like after that he just...

That was weird to not mention RV. They said how Lawrence messed with him in the beginning but then framed it like after that he just won everything until he retired. That wasn't how it really happened. There was 4 years in a row where RV beat him in supercross after his first championship and he had to regroup after that and take over after he retired. Good video but just kind of misleading.

drt410 wrote:

That was weird to not mention RV. They said how Lawrence messed with him in the beginning but then framed it like after that he just...

That was weird to not mention RV. They said how Lawrence messed with him in the beginning but then framed it like after that he just won everything until he retired. That wasn't how it really happened. There was 4 years in a row where RV beat him in supercross after his first championship and he had to regroup after that and take over after he retired. Good video but just kind of misleading.

drt410 wrote:

That was weird to not mention RV. They said how Lawrence messed with him in the beginning but then framed it like after that he just...

That was weird to not mention RV. They said how Lawrence messed with him in the beginning but then framed it like after that he just won everything until he retired. That wasn't how it really happened. There was 4 years in a row where RV beat him in supercross after his first championship and he had to regroup after that and take over after he retired. Good video but just kind of misleading.

1st Amendment wrote:

They also didn't mention that those 2 always rode opposite coasts during lites supercross and when they met in Vegas RD either ran him down or...

They also didn't mention that those 2 always rode opposite coasts during lites supercross and when they met in Vegas RD either ran him down or ran away from him when those 2 met during lites sx. And in both RD's and RV's documentary they also didn't mention James being stuck with Yamaha's abortion of an idea while RV and RD had their championship run which obviously played a big role in things, so ya it's misleading.

ML512 wrote:

Regarding James: Ifs and buts...ifs and buts... RV = 10 years racing pro (-1 if you don't count GPs, +1 if you count '05 for rookie...

Regarding James: Ifs and buts...ifs and buts...

RV = 10 years racing pro (-1 if you don't count GPs, +1 if you count '05 for rookie three races), 16 championships entered, 10 championships won, 4 on 250s, 6 on 450s. RV finished 12 championships inside the top three.

RD = 11 years racing pro (12 if you count his three rookie races in '06), 21 championships entered, 9 championships won, 2 on 250s, 7 on 450s. RD finished 18 championships inside the top three.

JS = 14 years racing pro (15 if you count his sidelined year with the drug penalty), 25 championships entered (his results list 26, but one was a one-off mx appearance in '10), 7 championships won, 4 on 125s/250s, 3 on 450s. JS finished 10 championships in the top three.

Ultimately each rider made decisions that affected their career:

RV went all out and wrapped up a lot of titles in a short amount of time, but also threw away a couple/missed some in the process.

RD's consistency and work ethic landed him only one less title with one more year of racing then RV and landed inside the top three in more championships. He also squeezed out on more 450 title than RV and the only riders with more titles than him overall are RC 16, RV 10, and McGrath 10...with RD at 9. Only rider here with an ESPN ESPY award (two I believe) and a wheeties box...some unique accomplishments for Dungey.

JS's crash or win mentality, choices on bikes/teams, and failure to follow the rules landed him a career that has spanned a few years longer than RV or RD, but with less success in terms of championships and overall standings in these championships. He's iconic but leaves a lot of question marks...or eternal ifs and buts.

Note: Yes, I counted 125SX titles in this math. If we remove those, RD and MC have the same total titles at 8, RV slips to 9, RC to 15, and JS drops to 5.

drt410 wrote:

That was weird to not mention RV. They said how Lawrence messed with him in the beginning but then framed it like after that he just...

That was weird to not mention RV. They said how Lawrence messed with him in the beginning but then framed it like after that he just won everything until he retired. That wasn't how it really happened. There was 4 years in a row where RV beat him in supercross after his first championship and he had to regroup after that and take over after he retired. Good video but just kind of misleading.

GuyB wrote:

I've always felt like Ryan was going to be one of those guys that's like a famous artist...appreciated more after he was gone.

drt410 wrote:

That was weird to not mention RV. They said how Lawrence messed with him in the beginning but then framed it like after that he just...

That was weird to not mention RV. They said how Lawrence messed with him in the beginning but then framed it like after that he just won everything until he retired. That wasn't how it really happened. There was 4 years in a row where RV beat him in supercross after his first championship and he had to regroup after that and take over after he retired. Good video but just kind of misleading.

1st Amendment wrote:

They also didn't mention that those 2 always rode opposite coasts during lites supercross and when they met in Vegas RD either ran him down or...

They also didn't mention that those 2 always rode opposite coasts during lites supercross and when they met in Vegas RD either ran him down or ran away from him when those 2 met during lites sx. And in both RD's and RV's documentary they also didn't mention James being stuck with Yamaha's abortion of an idea while RV and RD had their championship run which obviously played a big role in things, so ya it's misleading.

ML512 wrote:

Regarding James: Ifs and buts...ifs and buts... RV = 10 years racing pro (-1 if you don't count GPs, +1 if you count '05 for rookie...

Regarding James: Ifs and buts...ifs and buts...

RV = 10 years racing pro (-1 if you don't count GPs, +1 if you count '05 for rookie three races), 16 championships entered, 10 championships won, 4 on 250s, 6 on 450s. RV finished 12 championships inside the top three.

RD = 11 years racing pro (12 if you count his three rookie races in '06), 21 championships entered, 9 championships won, 2 on 250s, 7 on 450s. RD finished 18 championships inside the top three.

JS = 14 years racing pro (15 if you count his sidelined year with the drug penalty), 25 championships entered (his results list 26, but one was a one-off mx appearance in '10), 7 championships won, 4 on 125s/250s, 3 on 450s. JS finished 10 championships in the top three.

Ultimately each rider made decisions that affected their career:

RV went all out and wrapped up a lot of titles in a short amount of time, but also threw away a couple/missed some in the process.

RD's consistency and work ethic landed him only one less title with one more year of racing then RV and landed inside the top three in more championships. He also squeezed out on more 450 title than RV and the only riders with more titles than him overall are RC 16, RV 10, and McGrath 10...with RD at 9. Only rider here with an ESPN ESPY award (two I believe) and a wheeties box...some unique accomplishments for Dungey.

JS's crash or win mentality, choices on bikes/teams, and failure to follow the rules landed him a career that has spanned a few years longer than RV or RD, but with less success in terms of championships and overall standings in these championships. He's iconic but leaves a lot of question marks...or eternal ifs and buts.

Note: Yes, I counted 125SX titles in this math. If we remove those, RD and MC have the same total titles at 8, RV slips to 9, RC to 15, and JS drops to 5.

1st Amendment wrote:

I don't look at it as if's or buts. I look at the fact that James had the field covered in 2009 which we all seen...

I don't look at it as if's or buts. I look at the fact that James had the field covered in 2009 which we all seen happen and then Yamaha went the opposite direction which we all know how that went. To say that incident didn't play a role in both Ryan's career accomplishments they're avoiding facts and that's all I'm trying to point out.

ML512 wrote:

Regarding James: Ifs and buts...ifs and buts... RV = 10 years racing pro (-1 if you don't count GPs, +1 if you count '05 for rookie...

Regarding James: Ifs and buts...ifs and buts...

RV = 10 years racing pro (-1 if you don't count GPs, +1 if you count '05 for rookie three races), 16 championships entered, 10 championships won, 4 on 250s, 6 on 450s. RV finished 12 championships inside the top three.

RD = 11 years racing pro (12 if you count his three rookie races in '06), 21 championships entered, 9 championships won, 2 on 250s, 7 on 450s. RD finished 18 championships inside the top three.

JS = 14 years racing pro (15 if you count his sidelined year with the drug penalty), 25 championships entered (his results list 26, but one was a one-off mx appearance in '10), 7 championships won, 4 on 125s/250s, 3 on 450s. JS finished 10 championships in the top three.

Ultimately each rider made decisions that affected their career:

RV went all out and wrapped up a lot of titles in a short amount of time, but also threw away a couple/missed some in the process.

RD's consistency and work ethic landed him only one less title with one more year of racing then RV and landed inside the top three in more championships. He also squeezed out on more 450 title than RV and the only riders with more titles than him overall are RC 16, RV 10, and McGrath 10...with RD at 9. Only rider here with an ESPN ESPY award (two I believe) and a wheeties box...some unique accomplishments for Dungey.

JS's crash or win mentality, choices on bikes/teams, and failure to follow the rules landed him a career that has spanned a few years longer than RV or RD, but with less success in terms of championships and overall standings in these championships. He's iconic but leaves a lot of question marks...or eternal ifs and buts.

Note: Yes, I counted 125SX titles in this math. If we remove those, RD and MC have the same total titles at 8, RV slips to 9, RC to 15, and JS drops to 5.

1st Amendment wrote:

I don't look at it as if's or buts. I look at the fact that James had the field covered in 2009 which we all seen...

I don't look at it as if's or buts. I look at the fact that James had the field covered in 2009 which we all seen happen and then Yamaha went the opposite direction which we all know how that went. To say that incident didn't play a role in both Ryan's career accomplishments they're avoiding facts and that's all I'm trying to point out.

ML512 wrote:

When you talk to people surrounding that program, how the year went, decisions about bike, his treatment of the team owners, splitting with Aldon, etc...it gives...

When you talk to people surrounding that program, how the year went, decisions about bike, his treatment of the team owners, splitting with Aldon, etc...it gives a different view on how a rider's choice can effect their career...and then there was him going to JGR to stay on that bike. His decisions landed him those results. Both of the Ryan's decisions landed them theirs.

drt410 wrote:

That was weird to not mention RV. They said how Lawrence messed with him in the beginning but then framed it like after that he just...

That was weird to not mention RV. They said how Lawrence messed with him in the beginning but then framed it like after that he just won everything until he retired. That wasn't how it really happened. There was 4 years in a row where RV beat him in supercross after his first championship and he had to regroup after that and take over after he retired. Good video but just kind of misleading.

1st Amendment wrote:

They also didn't mention that those 2 always rode opposite coasts during lites supercross and when they met in Vegas RD either ran him down or...

They also didn't mention that those 2 always rode opposite coasts during lites supercross and when they met in Vegas RD either ran him down or ran away from him when those 2 met during lites sx. And in both RD's and RV's documentary they also didn't mention James being stuck with Yamaha's abortion of an idea while RV and RD had their championship run which obviously played a big role in things, so ya it's misleading.

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

Dungey was busy dragging KTM from the bottom to the top....something no one else was able to do. That "career suicide" move Dungey overcame is the...

Dungey was busy dragging KTM from the bottom to the top....something no one else was able to do. That "career suicide" move Dungey overcame is the real story. All while battling the amazing RV on a dialed Kawi.