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Fukem, I have a decent RM250 and it aint going anywhere.
we NEVER thought for A SECOND when pushing these rules for AMATUERS that it would work for OEM's. they make more money and have committed to the 4 stroke pile of crap because of it. So we can bitch and yell all we want, it's not a demoracy. The only way they would get the picture is if we ALL STAY HOME from ONE NATIONAL EVENT, and say bring back the two stroke or we stay home from two next year.
there is no way that will happen either.
so be thankful you have a choice to race a two stroke at your local race, you can thank your amatuer division of AMA for that.
now lets get the lead ban and other laws stopped which are coming down the pike with this administration.
As much as I think a Service Honda A/F is very "raceable" with a 450, don't think for one second they would allow that????? no chance in hell.
remember the amatuer side fought for 7 years to bring back the level playing field (stfu mx7mxwhat ever i don't want to hear it), and we brought the level playing field back fighting the "in crowd" OE people the whole way.
never fk with a big companies market plan it's not good for business......
that is all.............. LOL
It amazes me that some people can go to a motocross race and find a way to have a bad time. Or maybe they just sit at home and have a worse time...I dunno...
There are plenty of bigger issues (including the economy, etc.) than whether two-strokes are allowed to race against the 250Fs. I'm guessing the majority of you are looking at it from a fan's perspective, purely "It'd be cool to see" rather than whether it makes sense as a business decision for the riders, teams, OEs, sanctioning body, etc.
My personal opinion? I think when the four-strokes were first developed, the 450 size advantage was needed to allow them to compete. When it became apparent that they had an unfair advantage over the 250s, their cc limit should have been adjusted downward.
Allowing the 250 two-strokes in among the 250Fs? It might help a handful of riders, but I'd guess that the 250F guys would end up spending even more money trying to wind their bikes even tighter to match the 250 two-strokes.
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THAT is why MX Sports (or whoever it may be past or future) let them call the shots.
I clearly see the OEM's side of the story.
Many on here or elsewhere will certainly paint
them as the "bad guys" here, but simply put
they're WRONG.
The OEM's are actually all for us.
There wouldn't be anything to be for if it wasn't
for them, so think before throwing those stones.
Though the OEM's compete on the tracks of the world
& in the showrooms as well, they understand that both
them & us go hand-n-hand. Development of products takes
not only money, but huge amounts of time as well, &
flip flopping isn't done. It just isn't!
Also, given the current state of things worldwide, it's
another issue to add in to the mix.
Though they're competitors against each other, there's
also an alliance of sorts. There has to be. It's their
industry. As many are aware, some have "discontinued"
certain models of 2stks. in their line. The same thing
happened to the 500 2stks.
But remember, the OEM's do what they do based on real
world situations, wants & needs, just like any other
company. Sales & marketing exec's also have a had in
make-up of things & directions, so again in the mean time
enjoy what you have, & not what you don't.
Dave O.
"Shame on the parties involved (some say)...Give me a break!
For those counting, that's at least 2 adults and 2 children that won't be to either event, and possibly more as I usually bring other kids or at least talk friends into meeting us there.
At this time, only Yamaha, KTM, and maybe Gas-Gas have any chance of me spending my hard-earned money on a bike for myself. As my son moves from his 65 to an 85, it's less likely that Suzuki or Kawi will be on the list (and Honda isn't even a consideration).
Ozzy- I have ZERO sympathy for the mfg's. If they were not being obstructionist's here, and the thumpers legitamately were better (as I think they would be in the Open Class), there would be no issue.
That said, i'm stoked they locked down lucas and got a tv package together.
I would just have more respect for them if they gave us a straight up answer instead of all this bullshit rhetoric. Can't make a good omelet without breaking a few eggs.
But again, it's "a path taken"........by them!
Love it or not, time will tell................
But in the meantime,
Ride your
2stks. you have, that they produced.....
Ride your
4stks. you have, that they produced.....
Ride your
Quad's or whatever, that they produced........
So just ride & have your fun, whether riding or racing,
just remember, that they produced 'em all.
Don't paint them like the "cigarette companies!"
Dave O.
Why are they building motorcycles?
Darn it. !
They could spend their money wisely on Saving Darfur or the development of a faster, better, bigger, louder Iphone!
Darn it!
i call for a stop to build motorcycles by the OEM!
Darn it!
All you can do is support Yamaha and KTM since they are still producing 2 strokes. I will be buying a new 2 stroke next year.
i thought i'd say it before mx70mx got here
I'm sure you can weld a porcupine head on a valve cover
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DC used to be a great ambassador for the sport - now he's just a mouthpiece for the AMA and the factories - which are two organizations that have amply proven their utter incompetence.
but I have a hell of alot more fun with my family riding/racing every weekend then standing there in a sea of humanitiy to watch a couple motos.
they won't miss me, i don't plan on going to any pro race anytime soon. who cares go ride and watch the primadonna highlights on speed. Once the weather it rideable 40 and above, spectating ins't an option.
Love mx.....love sx, love personally racing myself.
I am a "good rider" of course absolutely nothing on a national scale....but local Aish maybe lorettas B
I raced 4 strokes when I was young and aspiring...were clear advantage over a 125.
But, now that it my dime, I race two strokes. I love them, cheap, fast, reliable, and and "disadvantage" is crap. I go equally fast (or slow) on both, because unless your top 20 national pro (or close to it) there is always room for self improvement.
As you stated, people will spend more to wind out the four stroke? How I may ask.
Are they not already spending everything possible? I mean a full mdk, PC, etc... motor costs BIG bucks....too much realistically.
Sure, maybe they follow formula one more....so different cam technology etc...That's certainly more costly.
BUT, do you think Pro Circuit isn't already spending every possible penny on their motor's? if they could make it faster....they would, period.
There is NO room for major improvement on these mod 250f's. They are already at the limits....so spending more money or not, you would not get anything shy of complete redesign of head (more vertical/straight intake tract) and special exhaust design (shorter...more peaky power)
The privateer NEEDED that rule....in a big way. Thankfully it's allowed amateur racing and as allowed me to still race despite a tight budget along with some other local talent who had hung up the boots because their one and only bike that they mod for the big am nats wont hold up enough to practice weekly.
Yes, the rules were wrong, and should have been limited in displacement, not the other way around (allowing bigger bike in smaller class aka 250) but what is done is done.....let the 250 live!
What really saddens me is public perception. it's to the point consumers are convinced a 2 stroke is not competitive. Well....I routinely put that to rest locally (again..not a god or anything...I know I suck!) and just sunday pulled both holeshots in 450 A class....on a LONG, SANDY, start...I hit 5th gear...
Sure a 125 is not as fast as a 250f....BUT, it's cheaper, more fun IMHO, and safer for the riders just moving up. AND, in the right hands...a fast rider can go fast on one.
nationals are dying...and they are what I consider true motocross. I loved the nats.
give the TV onlookers, and the followers something to bench race about...give them a topic that's dripping in controversy...give them a side story....give them the two stroke on a fair playing field (250 isn't fair...it's generous)
Boxing hypes up the fight, Cage fighting has side stories....football always had some stupid receiver comment...yadda yadda yadda.
The SPORT NEEDS added attention, and this could help give it, but of course...it isn't meant to be.
Not attacking you guyB....just quoted you for the wind out portion!
If you really, want to be heard show up and support it. Let them see how much 2-strokes mean.
When the 2-stroke race is over, go home !
i thought w signed this....
Some of you guys need to quit being apologists for the OEM's
Ozzy, who did you work for? I can see where your allegiances may be.
I'll keep my YZ125. It's capable of going faster than I am, costs less to maintain than the thumpers, sounds sweet and smells good too! I recently bought an old '96 RM125 to restore. I'll bet it's capabilities exceed my own too, and I will enjoy smoking guys on 450's with it. When I buy a new bike, KTM will probably get my money. When two-strokes are no longer an option, I'll go straight to the electric bike.
It's people like us, that keep this sport alive. The manufacturers are only hurting themselves.
sac up for godsakes...they weren't there last year or the year before that...or the year before that or...
The OEM's aren't really hurting themselves in the long-run. They know this sport is doomed, with all the shit coming down over the last few years, and are just trying to make as much money as they can, before the lights go out for good, or they are pushed out of the market by some upstart electric bike companies.
More power to 'em, I guess.
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