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He wasn't...2nd moto he'd of lost to Musquin by about 10 seconds had marvin not crashed...from the gate drop until he got into 2nd the gap fluctuated between 15 and 18 seconds (at the end of the 2nd lap, Herlings was in like 24th place or something, but only 18 seconds back) all the way until he got around the 4 for 2nd, after getting around Baggett he dropped the gap to 10 seconds when Marvin crashed...but Marvin wasn't pushing at that point...he was cruising to a win. Basically he was going the same speed as Musquin the entire race (though Herlings was coming through traffic while Marvin had a clear track).
1st moto...Tomac had his pace, and even managed to close to within striking distance right up until he crashed...and he ended up beating marvin by 6 seconds or so.
Anyway...yes Herlings was fast...we all knew he was fast (in another thread I said he was just as likely to go 3-3 and he was to go 1-1, and I expected at least one moto win)...but watching the races, it would be a stretch to say he "dominated".
I'm pumped to see how this weekend goes.
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Despite all that one way or another he still won. Marvin got a tough section wrong because he was pushing hard. No doubt his pit board let him know who was coming.
Herlings speed effected your top boys this wk end. Even Bagget said in press conference he needs to get to europe to work out this speed.
At the beginning of the race it was clear who was quicker.
The end too.
That's the guy who won.
ET finished 45 secs behind which I'm sure you know, a crash that cost him about 7 seconds and he finished 45 behind, yeah he had the pace
Moto 2 JH was dead last after the crash, he was basically 20 seconds behind at one point and he won, again Tomac was a massive way behind after being overtaken and basically taunted mid air. Tomac had a title to win, nothing wrong wth how he did it but don't claim he had the pace, he had nothing for Musquin or Bagget, never mind Herlings
Never mind MM would have won, he crashed and he came second, that's racing and there is no if this or that.
Or we could play the game just for fun
IF JH didn't crash he would have won moto 2 by 30 seconds easily, does that make sense?
In moto 2 it's also laughable to say that Marvin was cruising late in that race. I'd say the gap was probably down to about 6 seconds when Marvin crashed. Herlings was going at least 1.5 seconds faster a lap and Marvin was going 3-4 seconds faster than anyone else
I'm not trying to say Tomac would have passed him, I'm not trying to say Tomac would have won, I'm not trying to take anything away from Herlings at all as his performance was nothing short of incredible but you seem to be having a field day here with this and I think you need to come back to reality.. under normal circumstances you really think Tomac just has nothing at all for Herlings?
"Tomac and Marvin WOULD have beat Jeff IF they didn't CRASH".
2nd moto After his crash, and until Marvin put it on cruise control, the gap stayed basically the same (between 15 and 20 seconds...depending on one or the others lap times). After Marvin put it on cruise control, and after Herlings made it to 2nd...Herlings dropped the gap to 10 seconds until Marvin crashed. Then after getting passed, Marvin closed the gap on a charging Herlings and got to within striking distance of Herlings before stalling in a corner. Sealing the deal for Herlings. It's not like Herlings came from 39th and a minute down-through a stacked AMA field-to catch a charging Marvin and pulled away (which is what I was expecting based on comments on vital on saturday and sunday).
Tomac was going to race him until he went down. Once he did...he put his ego aside and rode for the title. There was no fair comparison of Tomac's speed on Saturday.
Herlings is FAST...one of the fastest in the world. The AMA motocross scene is as weak as its been in probably 40 years (in terms of depth and talent), while the MXGP scene is as strong as its ever been in 40 years (in terms of depth and talen). No more can Americans claim to be the hands down fastest in motocross, it pains me to say that, but that's the reality of it.
Tomac and Marvin are the only two current AMA racers who could challenge for a title or race wins in the GP's (Roczen is an unknown at this point...but by the looks of things, he should make it back to full form and he'd be included in that list). But there are probably 4 or 5 guys in MXGP-maybe 6-who could come to America and challenge for a title and race wins.
I blame supercross.
I expect Tomac to be on it this weekend, so does Herlings. Eli was was trying in practice and until he crashed. So it will be interesting if he can step up the pace to Herlings level this weekend. And it won't just be Herlings going fast either... a lot of depth in MXGP, especially with a bad start.
He had a lap and a half to go 2nd moto. He had the race in the bag. He said himself he was just trying to finish out the race AND Herlings said he got lucky Marvin made the mistake.
Marvin ran the fastest lap times of the day also.
See it how you want tho, doesn't matter to me either way. I like Herlings. He was on fire. It was just an observation.
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I hope Tomac and Herlings do battle this weekend. I have no doubt Tomac can run his pace...He proved it Saturday...there is no "step[ing] up to Herlings level"...he's already there.
Plus Anderson won in his first 450 MX race in Europe, You could throw his name in the mix, injuries and Ryan retering made this season be a two horse race at the end.
Don't blink. Musquin is the first one to go through.
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