Loretta's C Class?

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yak651 8/6/2017 6:46pm
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he gave them his money so good to go. You can race for 10 years and still be C class as long as your goal is to race LL
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Racing for title of the best c class rider sounds kind of dumb.
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Indymxer wrote:
Racing for title of the best c class rider sounds kind of dumb.
Beginner class national champion don't you know.
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yamahamark22 wrote:
http://lorettas.tracksideresults.com/class.asp?c=193&e=1&s= Check out 3rd place name.... Raced B class for the last 3 years with decent results and raced C class for 3 years before that...
http://lorettas.tracksideresults.com/class.asp?c=193&e=1&s=

Check out 3rd place name.... Raced B class for the last 3 years with decent results and raced C class for 3 years before that. Somehow ended up back in the C class this year to make a podium at the ranch.

http://results.americanmotorcyclist.com/Riders/65521-matthew-kretzler
I was wondering about that myself, how is this possible.

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1st - CHASE SMOTHERS
#88 - BECKEMEYER, IL 12th 1st 2nd 5th 1st 7th 1st 1st 152
2nd - MATTHEW KRETZLER
#358 - UNION, MO 5th 2nd 9th 2nd 3rd 2nd 4th 2nd 142 (-10)
3rd - LOGAN DIERKSEN
#249 - MASCOUTAH, IL 9th 4th 7th 1st 2nd 1st 3rd 136 (-16)
4th - JASON THOMASON
#105 - COLLINSVILLE, IL 10th 3rd 1st 3rd 6th 3rd 111 (-41)
5th - DYLAN TYLER
#106 - EAST ALTON, IL 16th 8th 3rd 5th 5th 7th 5th 100 (-52)
6th - RILEY RIDDLE
#720 - POTOSI, MO DNF 8th 7th 8th 6th 8th 69 (-83)
7th - HOLLY HILL
#118 - WENTZVILLE, MO 21st 9th 10th 9th 10th 10th 13th 66 (-86)
8th - ARIN HAYES
#77 - EUREKA, MO 19th 10th 9th 8th 8th 11th 61 (-91)


This is the Mid America series results.

And now he is eligible for Beginner class? Exactly how much cash did that appeal letter have in it.

Finished 2nd in B class in the MAMS series
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Just looked up more results. Kid has been running top 5 local B class for the last 3 years in numerous races. Exactly what would you have to appeal about.

Complete bullshit
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Why is there a c class at lorettas? Isnt lorettas the best of the best and if you can win lorettas c class you can probably win the a class locally? Am i wrong here?
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1st #91 CONNOR RAITHEL - KAW
JEFFERSON CITY, MO 2nd 1st
2nd #351 KYLE REPSTOCK - KAW
FAIRDALE, KY 1st 2nd
3rd #284 PARKER SMITH - KAW
Rochester, IL 3rd 3rd
4th #358 MATTHEW KRETZLER - KAW
UNION, MO 5th 4th
5th #997 ETHAN CHESNUT - YAM
SORENTO, IL 4th 6th
6th #948 RACE BAKER - KAW
SCOTT CITY, MO 6th 5th
7th #640 ALLEX KOWALSKY - YAM
ELLINWOOD, KS 7th 7th
8th #99 RODNEY BARNES - KAW
FREDERICKSBURG, IA 10th 8th
9th #720 RILEY RIDDLE - KAW
POTOSI, MO 9th 9th
10th #805 ORION GENSLER - HON
BLOOMFIELD, MO 8th 12th
11th #12 CODY BARNES - KAW
FREDERICKSBURG, IA

This is a B class Area qualifier last year where he finished 4th and qualified for the regional in the B class.
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MotoX85 8/6/2017 8:14pm
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And then I'll add that his local track in MO, the person who operates it is on the AMA board and also helps out with sign up and processing at Lorettas.

HMMMMMMM, things that make you go hhmmmmm.
yamahamark22 8/6/2017 8:19pm
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And then I'll add that his local track in MO, the person who operates it is on the AMA board and also helps out with sign...
And then I'll add that his local track in MO, the person who operates it is on the AMA board and also helps out with sign up and processing at Lorettas.

HMMMMMMM, things that make you go hhmmmmm.
Tommy, You want to make this even more interesting. Think about this he's won the mams series (for those of you who don't know that is the local series around IL and MO) in the B class. And all of a sudden when he is allowed to race the C class this year if you try to look up the results for last year in the 250B class all the results are missing.

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03. 250 All-Star A/B (14+)*

Overall Number Payment Received Name Moto 1 Moto 2
1st #128 KYLE DURHAM - YAM
OWENSBORO, KY 3rd 3rd
2nd #422 NATHAN HALL - YAM
LEBANON JUNCTION, KY 6th 1st
3rd #212 SAMUEL REDMAN - KAW
CLARKSVILLE, TN 2nd 5th
4th #614 DAVID HOWARD - KTM
FARMERSBURG, IN 7th 4th
5th #32 CHANNING HUNT - KAW
UNION, MO 5th 8th
6th #94 MATTHEW BELL - HON
WASHINGTON, IL 4th 10th
7th #593 GAGE MAST - KAW
Huntsville, MO 8th 9th
8th #236 TYLER AUTEN - KAW
TROY, IL 16th 6th
9th #898 RYAN HALL - KAW
New Albany, MS 10th 13th
10th #53 JASON FRANK - YAM
EUSTIS, FL 13th 11th
11th #358 MATTHEW KRETZLER - KAW
UNION, MO 11th 15th
12th #472 TREY SHORT - KAW
ANDERSON, IN 15th 12th
13th #871 TRAVIS ECK - KTM
COLLINSVILLE, IL 9th DNS
DNF #185 BLAKE COPELAND - KTM
MORRISONVILLE, IL DNF DNS
DNS #805 ORION GENSLER - HON
BLOOMFIELD, MO

This is the 250 A/B All Star class area qualifier at Lincoln Trail last year.

Notice he beat Ty Auten in the first moto,.........Ty Auten is a local A rider that does pretty decent, mid pack or lil better.
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We had a guy here, Go to the pro class. Race AMA races and make money. Even up front a bunch, but always battling in the top 3. Then wanted to go back to the B class and all the sudden, shows up in local pro races on a 125, getting last every weekend. The AMA then approves him going back to the B class. The next race, back on a 250 and 450 winning the B class. I really don't get it. Sad thing is, I'm good friends with him at the track and like the kid. If he would had stayed in the A class, I think he could be winning
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There's a well known poster here who raced in the Pro Nationals, and then raced Loretta's in the C class.
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MotoX85 wrote:
1st #91 CONNOR RAITHEL - KAW JEFFERSON CITY, MO 2nd 1st 2nd #351 KYLE REPSTOCK - KAW FAIRDALE, KY 1st 2nd 3rd #284 PARKER SMITH -...
1st #91 CONNOR RAITHEL - KAW
JEFFERSON CITY, MO 2nd 1st
2nd #351 KYLE REPSTOCK - KAW
FAIRDALE, KY 1st 2nd
3rd #284 PARKER SMITH - KAW
Rochester, IL 3rd 3rd
4th #358 MATTHEW KRETZLER - KAW
UNION, MO 5th 4th
5th #997 ETHAN CHESNUT - YAM
SORENTO, IL 4th 6th
6th #948 RACE BAKER - KAW
SCOTT CITY, MO 6th 5th
7th #640 ALLEX KOWALSKY - YAM
ELLINWOOD, KS 7th 7th
8th #99 RODNEY BARNES - KAW
FREDERICKSBURG, IA 10th 8th
9th #720 RILEY RIDDLE - KAW
POTOSI, MO 9th 9th
10th #805 ORION GENSLER - HON
BLOOMFIELD, MO 8th 12th
11th #12 CODY BARNES - KAW
FREDERICKSBURG, IA

This is a B class Area qualifier last year where he finished 4th and qualified for the regional in the B class.
Think Davey chimes in on this?
sgrimmxdad 8/7/2017 4:45am
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We have a local guy that rides A class locally all year, goes to qualify in C and can't make it. Takes balls or lack there of lol...
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Yep and this was a monster issue in 30+ B/C class. AMA kept letting people class down from pro or fast A rider. I am all for getting rid of A, B, C classes, run age divisions like they do in mini classes.
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sgrimmxdad wrote:
We have a local guy that rides A class locally all year, goes to qualify in C and can't make it. Takes balls or lack there...
We have a local guy that rides A class locally all year, goes to qualify in C and can't make it. Takes balls or lack there of lol...
You're in Farmville, right? Who is this guy? I'm right around the corner from you.
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nytsmaC wrote:
There's a well known poster here who raced in the Pro Nationals, and then raced Loretta's in the C class.
Really?

I know that Rylan Bly that finished 6th in one of the C class this year races Intermediate/B & Pro-Am in Alberta. He finished 3rd overall in the series in the Pro-Am class and he won 250 Intermediate earlier this spring.

2017 WRMA Spring Super Series Overall Results

http://www.wildrosemx.com/fall-overall-points/

I know he's not the only one doing that kind of thing. It's total bullshit if you ask me. Taking a spot away from a true C class rider isn't fair. Dropping down a class in order to try and get a better result or in the hopes to pick up some support in my opinion is lame. That's why I think the C class shouldn't be at the amateur nationals.

Aren't the riders screened before being told they've qualified to go race at Loretta's?

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snackfedbear 8/7/2017 5:37am
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The problem begins at the qualifiers. The officials need to pay closer attention to the riders lap times and the results of all who are qualifying in the areas and make their qualification tentative upon review. Then determine who gets to go based on their performance in regionals.
Sandbaggers piss everyone off besides themselves and their crew
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drt410 wrote:
Why is there a c class at lorettas? Isnt lorettas the best of the best and if you can win lorettas c class you can probably...
Why is there a c class at lorettas? Isnt lorettas the best of the best and if you can win lorettas c class you can probably win the a class locally? Am i wrong here?
This is what I've always thought, I would imagine the top 5 in C class at Loretta's can compete in A class locally and most of the rest of them can be very competitive in B class.

I know a lot of people on here deem C class as a beginner class but that is definitely not the case here in in North Carolina. When I first started riding/racing and I didn't know anybody I went to an open practice and I thought some of the guys there were A riders but they were actually just decent C riders in our area. We run D as a beginner class in NC and honestly to win you're jumping everything on a track except maybe the "separate the men from he boys triple" which you've been eyeing to jump. I spent 2 years in D and never really have moved on from C class speed locally (which would probably be B class anywhere that doesn't offer D) and I rate myself as a Vet B rider.

I moved up from D when I caught the C class on a stagger start and hit a kid because I jumped a double in the mud that he didn't jump...which was total sandbagging on my part. Moved up to C the next weekend and got 8th out of 10. Lots of sandbaggers in C class, this was over 10 years ago and I'm sure it hasn't changed.
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Check out some of my previous posts regarding the AMA C class qualifier races this year.

At the end of 2016 the AMA promoted 99 riders from C class up to B for the 2017 season. 25 of those riders appealed their new classification (paid the AMA $50 and apparently submitted some type of proof why they would be "non-competitive" in B class), and they were approved by the AMA to stay in C.

I then followed some of those kids' results in the 2017 Areas and Regionals and more than a few were finishing in the top 5, and in some cases, were sweeping their classes in all that they entered.

I questioned the AMA officials who are in charge of motocross competition about this and was just blown off.

The C classes are a huge money maker for the AMA and MX Sports and I don't think they really want anyone rocking the boat.
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Mx Sports Loves the C riders.. $$$$$$.
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Indymxer wrote:
Racing for title of the best c class rider sounds kind of dumb.
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Beginner class national champion don't you know.
These boys put in a lot of work to get their and most of the top C riders are not true C kids but that's another topic. I don't know what class most of you guys in here ride but hell I'd love to qualify for a 450C etc!!
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What I can't figure out here is, with all the visible violations by racing the B class multiple times, how this fell through the class.

Back in 03, we traveled from CA to the ranch for my brother to race 125C. When he went to sign up, he was disqualified.
Why?
Because a dad showed up with a shit ton of old cycle news magazines to protest a good 15 people. My brother was disqualified because violated the "race for less than 2 years" rule.
The guy protesting found my brothers first race result in the beginner class That were 2 years and 2 WEEKS old....2 weeks over the limit and it was over. Thousnads of dollars down the shitter.

Meanwhile this kid is a competitive B rider and gets in.

Kills me
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What I can't figure out here is, with all the visible violations by racing the B class multiple times, how this fell through the class. Back...
What I can't figure out here is, with all the visible violations by racing the B class multiple times, how this fell through the class.

Back in 03, we traveled from CA to the ranch for my brother to race 125C. When he went to sign up, he was disqualified.
Why?
Because a dad showed up with a shit ton of old cycle news magazines to protest a good 15 people. My brother was disqualified because violated the "race for less than 2 years" rule.
The guy protesting found my brothers first race result in the beginner class That were 2 years and 2 WEEKS old....2 weeks over the limit and it was over. Thousnads of dollars down the shitter.

Meanwhile this kid is a competitive B rider and gets in.

Kills me
If memory serves me correctly the guy that won 125C in 2003 swept SIX damn motos. There is no way in hell this guy had been racing for less than 2 years? That is complete bull, I'm sorry that happened to your family. Also there is a guy from Florida who won 125C in 2002 who had qualified on mini bikes. I think he got Team Green support after winning the C title.
racingfortheson 8/7/2017 8:30am
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What do y'all consider a "Novice" rider. Like it or not, AMA has rules for who is novice and who can't be. Now the rules are kinda screwed up, but they are there. It is all about RPV points (is very well explained in AMA handbook). The point system is a good start, but there needs to be a time limit added. 2 consecutive years of racing after your first C class race, no matter your RPV, and you're out. This with the point system and not allowing riders who have competed in LL to ride C and all this would fix it's self.
racingfortheson 8/7/2017 8:32am
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moscrop940 wrote:
What I can't figure out here is, with all the visible violations by racing the B class multiple times, how this fell through the class. Back...
What I can't figure out here is, with all the visible violations by racing the B class multiple times, how this fell through the class.

Back in 03, we traveled from CA to the ranch for my brother to race 125C. When he went to sign up, he was disqualified.
Why?
Because a dad showed up with a shit ton of old cycle news magazines to protest a good 15 people. My brother was disqualified because violated the "race for less than 2 years" rule.
The guy protesting found my brothers first race result in the beginner class That were 2 years and 2 WEEKS old....2 weeks over the limit and it was over. Thousnads of dollars down the shitter.

Meanwhile this kid is a competitive B rider and gets in.

Kills me
there is no race for less then 2 year rule now.
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snackfedbear wrote:
The problem begins at the qualifiers. The officials need to pay closer attention to the riders lap times and the results of all who are qualifying...
The problem begins at the qualifiers. The officials need to pay closer attention to the riders lap times and the results of all who are qualifying in the areas and make their qualification tentative upon review. Then determine who gets to go based on their performance in regionals.
Sandbaggers piss everyone off besides themselves and their crew
Yep, and there will be alot of defenders in here at Vital too. B and C classes are huge money makers for them. I mean Top Jimmy even said on the broadcast one day, most of the time the top 5 B class guys are faster then the prosport guys, and usually bypass next season of A and go straight to Pros. This is the issue right here.
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He qualified for the 2015 Spring Creek Regional in B also.

http://www.racer-results.net/results/mxsports/2015/AreaRegional/racer.a…

Racer Detail
MATTHEW KRETZLER
UNION, MO
Event Detail
North Central Region
Area Qualifier - 3/14/2015 - PARADISE MX
Class Finish Brand Racing Number
03. 250 B Limited 5 Kawasaki #358
04. 250 B 6 Kawasaki #358
09. 450 B Limited 6 Kawasaki #358
13. College (16-24)** 8 Kawasaki #358

Area Qualifier - 4/25/2015 - Lincoln Trail Motorsports
Class Finish Brand Racing Number
10. 450 B 15 Kawasaki #358

Amateur Regional - 6/20/2015 - Spring Creek MX
Class Finish Brand Racing Number
03. 250 B Limited DNF Kawasaki #358
04. 250 B 29 Kawasaki #358
09. 450 B Limited 34 Kawasaki #358

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