Testing Adderall?

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Yes, it's pretty Rad! I've heard.
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Even if it's fake science people still love it. It should be over the counter.
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I've taken it , super focus capability. I don't need it in the morning but for the second Moto I'll take one . It works.
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bc775 wrote:
Im curious what the generations before us did without drugs? Oh yea sucked it up and werent pussies about everything.
Drugs have been around since the beginning of civilization, drug use was even more common in past generations because that was before they were classified as "drugs". If there was drug testing in the 70's and 80's for mx, I'd argue that drug use, either recreational or performance enhancing, was way higher than it is now.

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6/23/2017 1:37pm
bc775 wrote:
Im curious what the generations before us did without drugs? Oh yea sucked it up and werent pussies about everything.
Drugs are far from new. Just ask the Native Americans.
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Some people love taking drugs.
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6/25/2017 1:31am Edited Date/Time 6/25/2017 1:40am
First few times I tried adderall in college I almost hyperventilated skateboarding to class. I'm guessing after building your tolerance it might help but if one was wanting to try something to help mentally try Piracetam or some other nootropic that isn't amphetamine based. Adderall dilates blood vessels and increases blood flow which can cause complications with extremities like numbness in hands etc. Would not want to ride with that, I'm sure that would make arm pump etc worse. (You can take asprin or something to thin the blood a bit if you do ride with Adderall)
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I haven't read every post here but once over the prescribed threshold, it then stops its "medicinal use" and becomes a stimulant.

When guys are are caught for using it with or without a TUE, it is flagged due to levels in their system, once the level is above the threshold then it becomes a performance enhancer and the investigation into the TUE or no TUE is started.

No TUE and you positive. simple as that.

Everyone goes on about what assholes WADA is but they not, they have laws and values for safety and fairness. IN the situation with Cade, what he did was 100% illegal, he never had a TUE so he was not allowed to race on the product, what is more important to me is why was he tested? He is - no disrespect - no one important, I believe he was reported to by someone to WADA so they could test him. He was thrown under the bus. Then the next question comes in, how much did he have in his system to have this penalty imposed? If it wasn't above threshold he wouldnt be in shit.

Its honestly that simple.

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colonel wrote:
I haven't read every post here but once over the prescribed threshold, it then stops its "medicinal use" and becomes a stimulant. When guys are are...
I haven't read every post here but once over the prescribed threshold, it then stops its "medicinal use" and becomes a stimulant.

When guys are are caught for using it with or without a TUE, it is flagged due to levels in their system, once the level is above the threshold then it becomes a performance enhancer and the investigation into the TUE or no TUE is started.

No TUE and you positive. simple as that.

Everyone goes on about what assholes WADA is but they not, they have laws and values for safety and fairness. IN the situation with Cade, what he did was 100% illegal, he never had a TUE so he was not allowed to race on the product, what is more important to me is why was he tested? He is - no disrespect - no one important, I believe he was reported to by someone to WADA so they could test him. He was thrown under the bus. Then the next question comes in, how much did he have in his system to have this penalty imposed? If it wasn't above threshold he wouldnt be in shit.

Its honestly that simple.

X2, Perfect and simple.
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colonel wrote:
I haven't read every post here but once over the prescribed threshold, it then stops its "medicinal use" and becomes a stimulant. When guys are are...
I haven't read every post here but once over the prescribed threshold, it then stops its "medicinal use" and becomes a stimulant.

When guys are are caught for using it with or without a TUE, it is flagged due to levels in their system, once the level is above the threshold then it becomes a performance enhancer and the investigation into the TUE or no TUE is started.

No TUE and you positive. simple as that.

Everyone goes on about what assholes WADA is but they not, they have laws and values for safety and fairness. IN the situation with Cade, what he did was 100% illegal, he never had a TUE so he was not allowed to race on the product, what is more important to me is why was he tested? He is - no disrespect - no one important, I believe he was reported to by someone to WADA so they could test him. He was thrown under the bus. Then the next question comes in, how much did he have in his system to have this penalty imposed? If it wasn't above threshold he wouldnt be in shit.

Its honestly that simple.

Agreed. Not knowing or forgetting to fill out the paperwork for a TUE is one thing, but applying for a TUE means you knew that it was a banned substance. Continuing to use said drug that you knew that it was necessary to have a TUE for is a blantent rule violation which will have extreme penalties.
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tprice07 wrote:
I know HIPAA prevents them from individually identifying who is on what...but I would like to know how many TUE's are filed each year for MX...
I know HIPAA prevents them from individually identifying who is on what...but I would like to know how many TUE's are filed each year for MX and SX. Is that not a valid question? And possibly for what drugs? As long as they don't identify the riders specifically, why can't they release that?

Would that potentially change people's views? If we knew multiple riders had the TUE for the same drugs?
rmoto003 wrote:
Forreal. Im willing to bet $3.50 that a bunch of the top riders take something but have a TUE for it. I dont understand why all...
Forreal. Im willing to bet $3.50 that a bunch of the top riders take something but have a TUE for it.

I dont understand why all the sudden its not cheating if you simply fill out a form. You are still taking the exact same thing if you were "doping" but now you arent "doping" because you told them about and they said it was ok.

And we should probably also not use the word "doping" for a lot of these banned substances because actual doping is a significantly different thing than taking Adderall. Its not anywhere near the same thing
I don't understand how anyone can have this opinion. I mean, honestly, it's so stupid that it amazes me anyone can think this way.

Get a legitimate prescription from a doctor and fill out the damn form. I'm not sure why that's so difficult.

Just to explain, it's different because using a drug (such as addarel ) is legal if prescribed. It is illegal to use it if you're not prescribed. It's really that simple.
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rmoto003 wrote:
Forreal. Im willing to bet $3.50 that a bunch of the top riders take something but have a TUE for it. I dont understand why all...
Forreal. Im willing to bet $3.50 that a bunch of the top riders take something but have a TUE for it.

I dont understand why all the sudden its not cheating if you simply fill out a form. You are still taking the exact same thing if you were "doping" but now you arent "doping" because you told them about and they said it was ok.

And we should probably also not use the word "doping" for a lot of these banned substances because actual doping is a significantly different thing than taking Adderall. Its not anywhere near the same thing
I've always wondered how the term doping became a catch all. Doping is Epo, transfusions, etc. More of a heme alteration and supplementation (and a whole host of other things).
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It seems its on a individual basis on the affect this drug has on people .. apparently for people that really need it it sorta slows there mind down a bit they have a mind that has racing thoughts all the time
And there for its hard for them to concentrate on one thing .
Me or those that don't need it
Apparently it speeds them up
Like cocaine or methamphetamine would .
Those are the college kids that take it to stay up all night to cram
I have though many times that I may have add because I have a hard time concentrating at times
For example its really hard for me to watch a whole movie
It read a book . Not because I can't read . But because my mind wonders away from what I'm reading ..
Any way for me personally it didn't have that speed up effect
I could take it and go to sleep if i wanted .
But it didn't slow me down either
I felt like it had no effect so I only took it for a couple of weeks and stopped
That was just about a year ago and I'm 40
I got from a Dr it was prescribed to me
Not taken illegally
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Personally I think it's a bunch of crap my son takes it and I never noticed that he just magically started riding his bike better after he took it. I did notice a big difference for him in school doing his school work though
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bsharkey wrote:
Personally I think it's a bunch of crap my son takes it and I never noticed that he just magically started riding his bike better after...
Personally I think it's a bunch of crap my son takes it and I never noticed that he just magically started riding his bike better after he took it. I did notice a big difference for him in school doing his school work though
Everyone is assuming that the riders that uses this drug actually needs it for medical reasons. It has been proven to be a performance enhancer when used by athletes and students. If you need it get a TUE it is a no brainer.
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6/25/2017 11:23pm
crowe176 wrote:
I have some roommates that have prescriptions. I grab a couple every weekend, and usually take one before I ride. If you don't take them regularly...
I have some roommates that have prescriptions. I grab a couple every weekend, and usually take one before I ride. If you don't take them regularly, they basically give you a huge boost of energy, dependent if its a extended release or quick release pill. I don't race, and I don't ride long moto's, so the side effects aren't really an issue with me.

What it does for me, as someone who's not prescribed the medicine, it gives me a lot (A LOT, as in you will want to whip through your honey do list without stopping) of energy and a bit more focus.

The side effects for me, is elevated heart rate, and dehydrates me a lot faster than normal. But like I said, I'm just a weekend practice warrior, so it's not really a problem...

It also works really well in the bedroom, unless you want to sleep..Wink
Perrrfect narrative summary for those that don't take it everyday.
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KennyT wrote:
Hitlers army was on it (different name back then, same recipe) when they had plans to take over the world. It's a concentration and energy boost...
Hitlers army was on it (different name back then, same recipe) when they had plans to take over the world. It's a concentration and energy boost. If they let one rider take it then they should make it available to all. Dr prescription means nothing.....they prescribe opiates so does that mean we want the field drugged up on those to relieve tension/pain?
Hitlers army was on crystal methamphetamine, under the brand name of pervitin. Not even close to the same thing as adderall. Aderrall is a mix of amphetamines, and none of them are meth.

I have insane ADHD and have been on adderall or a similar drug since the 2nd grade. This was before they started putting every other kid on it and when you had to be tested by a psychologist. I had to go to 2 different ones before they put me on it.

Adderall slows down people with real ADHD. It is not like a "speed" for me at all and I would not want to ride or workout on adderrall, nor do I think it would be an advantage for me. Maybe for something like tracking my car it would help with the focus. but I don't think it would make me feel right for anything physically intense.

I personally do not even like taking it, but I have to take it for school and work if I want to get anything done. On the weekends I don't take it. I guess some would say it zombie-fys me since I don't really want to talk on it but I think it just makes me "normal". It's just a big difference because when I don't take it I never shut up or stop moving.
Now for people without ADHD that take it seem to love it. It may be a benefit for them. I don't get that hopped up feeling from it.
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BobbyLight wrote:
Hitlers army was on crystal methamphetamine, under the brand name of pervitin. Not even close to the same thing as adderall. Aderrall is a mix of...
Hitlers army was on crystal methamphetamine, under the brand name of pervitin. Not even close to the same thing as adderall. Aderrall is a mix of amphetamines, and none of them are meth.

I have insane ADHD and have been on adderall or a similar drug since the 2nd grade. This was before they started putting every other kid on it and when you had to be tested by a psychologist. I had to go to 2 different ones before they put me on it.

Adderall slows down people with real ADHD. It is not like a "speed" for me at all and I would not want to ride or workout on adderrall, nor do I think it would be an advantage for me. Maybe for something like tracking my car it would help with the focus. but I don't think it would make me feel right for anything physically intense.

I personally do not even like taking it, but I have to take it for school and work if I want to get anything done. On the weekends I don't take it. I guess some would say it zombie-fys me since I don't really want to talk on it but I think it just makes me "normal". It's just a big difference because when I don't take it I never shut up or stop moving.
Now for people without ADHD that take it seem to love it. It may be a benefit for them. I don't get that hopped up feeling from it.
Nice summation x3.

So much incorrect info in this thread. Nice to see correct info.
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if you need this drug (whether anyone NEEDS it or not is another discussion) it slows you down to regain focus and concentration.

If you dont need this drug, It speeds you up and makes you like the people who need it.

It all has to do with chemical balance. If you are already balanced in that way, these drugs will only hinder you.

There is no free lunch here that i can see. im not sure how this is a PED.

But, then again... nothing in life is fair. Its not fair for somone who is born 5ft tall if they want to be a pro basketball player, in the same way its not fair if someone has ADHD that wants to race professional motocross.

No shoulder to cry on here.
6/28/2017 3:57pm
Does anyone have any personal anecdotes that they could share?
6/28/2017 4:02pm Edited Date/Time 6/28/2017 5:30pm
BobbyLight wrote:
Hitlers army was on crystal methamphetamine, under the brand name of pervitin. Not even close to the same thing as adderall. Aderrall is a mix of...
Hitlers army was on crystal methamphetamine, under the brand name of pervitin. Not even close to the same thing as adderall. Aderrall is a mix of amphetamines, and none of them are meth.

I have insane ADHD and have been on adderall or a similar drug since the 2nd grade. This was before they started putting every other kid on it and when you had to be tested by a psychologist. I had to go to 2 different ones before they put me on it.

Adderall slows down people with real ADHD. It is not like a "speed" for me at all and I would not want to ride or workout on adderrall, nor do I think it would be an advantage for me. Maybe for something like tracking my car it would help with the focus. but I don't think it would make me feel right for anything physically intense.

I personally do not even like taking it, but I have to take it for school and work if I want to get anything done. On the weekends I don't take it. I guess some would say it zombie-fys me since I don't really want to talk on it but I think it just makes me "normal". It's just a big difference because when I don't take it I never shut up or stop moving.
Now for people without ADHD that take it seem to love it. It may be a benefit for them. I don't get that hopped up feeling from it.
kzizok wrote:
Nice summation x3.

So much incorrect info in this thread. Nice to see correct info.
Yeah but our army (and especially Airforce) was on dextroamphetamine, which is Adderall.
6/28/2017 4:04pm
tprice07 wrote:
I know HIPAA prevents them from individually identifying who is on what...but I would like to know how many TUE's are filed each year for MX...
I know HIPAA prevents them from individually identifying who is on what...but I would like to know how many TUE's are filed each year for MX and SX. Is that not a valid question? And possibly for what drugs? As long as they don't identify the riders specifically, why can't they release that?

Would that potentially change people's views? If we knew multiple riders had the TUE for the same drugs?
rmoto003 wrote:
Forreal. Im willing to bet $3.50 that a bunch of the top riders take something but have a TUE for it. I dont understand why all...
Forreal. Im willing to bet $3.50 that a bunch of the top riders take something but have a TUE for it.

I dont understand why all the sudden its not cheating if you simply fill out a form. You are still taking the exact same thing if you were "doping" but now you arent "doping" because you told them about and they said it was ok.

And we should probably also not use the word "doping" for a lot of these banned substances because actual doping is a significantly different thing than taking Adderall. Its not anywhere near the same thing
agn5009 wrote:
I don't understand how anyone can have this opinion. I mean, honestly, it's so stupid that it amazes me anyone can think this way. Get a...
I don't understand how anyone can have this opinion. I mean, honestly, it's so stupid that it amazes me anyone can think this way.

Get a legitimate prescription from a doctor and fill out the damn form. I'm not sure why that's so difficult.

Just to explain, it's different because using a drug (such as addarel ) is legal if prescribed. It is illegal to use it if you're not prescribed. It's really that simple.
I think you missed the point. Anyone can get a prescription. Just because you convinced the doc you needed it ( with your wallet) doesn't mean you do. It can still be performance enhancing and put others at a disadvantage.

I don't care who takes what but lets be honest, a prescription from a doctor means shit.
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Those saying that if you have ADHD and take it then you mellow out and performance suffers (or would), then why are athletes claiming they have ADHD say they need it to perform? Obviously they aren't taking it if it causes their performance to suffer.

Either it has a different effect for different people or it comes down to the dosage. Perhaps JS7 could take a prescribed dosage post-infringement (with the TUE) and not be able to perform where's pre-infringement he was jacked to the eyeballs and performing excellent. All speculation …
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All I can say is , when I was younger I was on meds for my ADHD. I myself didn't like the way it made me feel , as I felt like I was running in molasses. I did however have my mind calmed , but the physical aspect of it ( from what I remember ) was something I didn't like.

I look back at 2014 and how James was performing....which was incredible. Since his medication has been monitored after his come back , look what happened. It's right there in front of your face. I hate to keep bringing this subject to light , but I'm sorry , it's a perfect example of someone abusing it. It sounds Like Cade was as well , and should be set on the sidelines just like any other offender.

Do I blame James....Not 100% I don't. I think he took some advice from people he shouldn't have. But what I'm still , to this day confused about....is his performance on the bike after he came back. After everything was legal and he was taking his medication.

Dosage amounts come into question , and weather he really needed it or not. It's also why Adderall is the most banned substance in professional sports today. Everybody and their pet monkey has ADHD now.

Makes fucked up people like me , almost impossible to get help now days.
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KennyT wrote:
Hitlers army was on it (different name back then, same recipe) when they had plans to take over the world. It's a concentration and energy boost...
Hitlers army was on it (different name back then, same recipe) when they had plans to take over the world. It's a concentration and energy boost. If they let one rider take it then they should make it available to all. Dr prescription means nothing.....they prescribe opiates so does that mean we want the field drugged up on those to relieve tension/pain?
BobbyLight wrote:
Hitlers army was on crystal methamphetamine, under the brand name of pervitin. Not even close to the same thing as adderall. Aderrall is a mix of...
Hitlers army was on crystal methamphetamine, under the brand name of pervitin. Not even close to the same thing as adderall. Aderrall is a mix of amphetamines, and none of them are meth.

I have insane ADHD and have been on adderall or a similar drug since the 2nd grade. This was before they started putting every other kid on it and when you had to be tested by a psychologist. I had to go to 2 different ones before they put me on it.

Adderall slows down people with real ADHD. It is not like a "speed" for me at all and I would not want to ride or workout on adderrall, nor do I think it would be an advantage for me. Maybe for something like tracking my car it would help with the focus. but I don't think it would make me feel right for anything physically intense.

I personally do not even like taking it, but I have to take it for school and work if I want to get anything done. On the weekends I don't take it. I guess some would say it zombie-fys me since I don't really want to talk on it but I think it just makes me "normal". It's just a big difference because when I don't take it I never shut up or stop moving.
Now for people without ADHD that take it seem to love it. It may be a benefit for them. I don't get that hopped up feeling from it.
I take Adderall XR, 30mg at 5:30AM, another at about 11AM.

It definitely helps me concentrate, and while I haven't really rode much "off road" since beginning my Adderall, I am certain that it helps me when riding my V Twin on the road. I'm definitely more aware of my surroundings and my reactions are much better.

That being said, I am like you in that I will often not use Adderall on weekends if I am just hanging out around the house. I think of it as my "daydream" time, when I'm not consumed by schedules or lists. I also sleep better on Sunday nights if I haven't taken Adderall.

If I were riding off road or on a track, I think that Adderall may make me "feel" slower, but I think I'd be a lot better, safer, and faster.
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KennyT wrote:
Hitlers army was on it (different name back then, same recipe) when they had plans to take over the world. It's a concentration and energy boost...
Hitlers army was on it (different name back then, same recipe) when they had plans to take over the world. It's a concentration and energy boost. If they let one rider take it then they should make it available to all. Dr prescription means nothing.....they prescribe opiates so does that mean we want the field drugged up on those to relieve tension/pain?
It was actually a part of the reason why they lost WW11.
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A certain percentage of the population will always takes drugs. Even a fake medical condition. I shouldn't say fake as people are experiencing negative things. It would be nice though if the entire medical community wasn't operating off of a theory. And instead used real science. Maybe some day.
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jeffro503 wrote:
All I can say is , when I was younger I was on meds for my ADHD. I myself didn't like the way it made me...
All I can say is , when I was younger I was on meds for my ADHD. I myself didn't like the way it made me feel , as I felt like I was running in molasses. I did however have my mind calmed , but the physical aspect of it ( from what I remember ) was something I didn't like.

I look back at 2014 and how James was performing....which was incredible. Since his medication has been monitored after his come back , look what happened. It's right there in front of your face. I hate to keep bringing this subject to light , but I'm sorry , it's a perfect example of someone abusing it. It sounds Like Cade was as well , and should be set on the sidelines just like any other offender.

Do I blame James....Not 100% I don't. I think he took some advice from people he shouldn't have. But what I'm still , to this day confused about....is his performance on the bike after he came back. After everything was legal and he was taking his medication.

Dosage amounts come into question , and weather he really needed it or not. It's also why Adderall is the most banned substance in professional sports today. Everybody and their pet monkey has ADHD now.

Makes fucked up people like me , almost impossible to get help now days.
Buy a bong.

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jeffro503 wrote:
All I can say is , when I was younger I was on meds for my ADHD. I myself didn't like the way it made me...
All I can say is , when I was younger I was on meds for my ADHD. I myself didn't like the way it made me feel , as I felt like I was running in molasses. I did however have my mind calmed , but the physical aspect of it ( from what I remember ) was something I didn't like.

I look back at 2014 and how James was performing....which was incredible. Since his medication has been monitored after his come back , look what happened. It's right there in front of your face. I hate to keep bringing this subject to light , but I'm sorry , it's a perfect example of someone abusing it. It sounds Like Cade was as well , and should be set on the sidelines just like any other offender.

Do I blame James....Not 100% I don't. I think he took some advice from people he shouldn't have. But what I'm still , to this day confused about....is his performance on the bike after he came back. After everything was legal and he was taking his medication.

Dosage amounts come into question , and weather he really needed it or not. It's also why Adderall is the most banned substance in professional sports today. Everybody and their pet monkey has ADHD now.

Makes fucked up people like me , almost impossible to get help now days.
FTB wrote:
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Buy a bong.

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