WADA strikes again Cade Clason

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Katoomey 6/21/2017 10:25am
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DonM wrote:
More than likely an over the counter cold/flu medicine that he didn't know would give him a positive test.
twotwosix wrote:
Also a good point.
how is that a good point? it isnt even a counterpoint to my point. its just regurgitating the sentiment that it isn't his job to know what hes putting in his body

you guys make me sad...no accountability, point the blame somewhere else, nothings ever your fault, ....what load of garbage.

i dont give a fuck if Twinkies made him fail the test. its HIS (no one elses) responsibility to know he cant eat Twinkies. what the fuck is so hard to understand about that? morans
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marx41 wrote:
The good news is that nobody here holds a grudge.
Ha! You forgot the emoticon thingy Wink Woohoo Pinch
2WheelsForTheMasses 6/21/2017 10:39am
6/21/2017 10:39am Edited Date/Time 6/21/2017 10:43am
I hate WADA

They are a joke and are making it almost impossible to become a professional athlete. A very good friend of mine has been suspended for 18 months from Track&field competition for testing positive on a substance found in expresso!

Literally you need to hire a 24hr nutrionalist and eat vegan these days to pass you're weekly test from Wada in the track and field world, Wada is finding meat proteins that are now being tested as a potential for failed drug tests and suspensions.

The never ending list that Wada updates daily is ridiculous and hilarious at best.

rant over.
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Moto is so different from cycling. In cycling you have coaches and I assume every racer down to last place has a trainer staying up to date with the latest WADA practices. I doubt you have pro cyclists sleeping in their own vans and eating PBJ's between races like you do with privateer moto guys. In other words these guys probably have zero guidance on this issue compared with more organized sports.

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Why does it take so long to get the results? Can't they check and give results right there during the day or even a week later?
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X2, any doubts, ask questions. Easier to point fingers and blame the system. Todays society.
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BobPA 6/21/2017 10:54am
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Katoomey wrote:
how is that a good point? it isnt even a counterpoint to my point. its just regurgitating the sentiment that it isn't his job to know...
how is that a good point? it isnt even a counterpoint to my point. its just regurgitating the sentiment that it isn't his job to know what hes putting in his body

you guys make me sad...no accountability, point the blame somewhere else, nothings ever your fault, ....what load of garbage.

i dont give a fuck if Twinkies made him fail the test. its HIS (no one elses) responsibility to know he cant eat Twinkies. what the fuck is so hard to understand about that? morans
I agree that a rider has to be responsible for what they put into their bodies. But do a bit of research and look at some of the ridiculous ways athletes have been popped in different sports. The amount of things on the WADA list is unbelievable, and you really need to hire someone to keep track of each and everything you put in your body.

And what happens if you get a steak dinner at your favorite restaurant, and it contains a banned substance (has happened before). How do you test for that? I am in no way, shape, or form sticking up for athletes who pop, but it is not as cut and dry as you make it out to be. Captain Hindsight (mxb2) is back with zero substance like usual.
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Motofinne 6/21/2017 10:59am
6/21/2017 10:59am Edited Date/Time 6/21/2017 11:16am
This.

I really like Clason but the rules are the rules. It's unfortunate that this happened but he has fucked up big time, that is the bottom line.

These are the riders that got tested: Jason Anderson, Blake Baggett, Justin Barcia, Ryan Dungey, Davi Millsaps, Marvin Musquin, Malcolm Stewart, Eli Tomac Jake Weimer and Clason. Everyone else but Clason was fine.
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Katoomey wrote:
how is that a good point? it isnt even a counterpoint to my point. its just regurgitating the sentiment that it isn't his job to know...
how is that a good point? it isnt even a counterpoint to my point. its just regurgitating the sentiment that it isn't his job to know what hes putting in his body

you guys make me sad...no accountability, point the blame somewhere else, nothings ever your fault, ....what load of garbage.

i dont give a fuck if Twinkies made him fail the test. its HIS (no one elses) responsibility to know he cant eat Twinkies. what the fuck is so hard to understand about that? morans
BobPA wrote:
I agree that a rider has to be responsible for what they put into their bodies. But do a bit of research and look at some...
I agree that a rider has to be responsible for what they put into their bodies. But do a bit of research and look at some of the ridiculous ways athletes have been popped in different sports. The amount of things on the WADA list is unbelievable, and you really need to hire someone to keep track of each and everything you put in your body.

And what happens if you get a steak dinner at your favorite restaurant, and it contains a banned substance (has happened before). How do you test for that? I am in no way, shape, or form sticking up for athletes who pop, but it is not as cut and dry as you make it out to be. Captain Hindsight (mxb2) is back with zero substance like usual.
Yea, god forbid doing any research that would involve your job.
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MXD 6/21/2017 11:18am
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It's a good thing that WADA doesn't show up to my local tracks on race day. Most of the kids are ripping gaggers in their trailers before their motos and the old guys are popping pain pills just to get out of their chairs. The starting line of just about any class is probably more doped up than a pack of Russian lab rats.
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Bet he didn't pay his juice guy either Laughing
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Katoomey wrote:
how is that a good point? it isnt even a counterpoint to my point. its just regurgitating the sentiment that it isn't his job to know...
how is that a good point? it isnt even a counterpoint to my point. its just regurgitating the sentiment that it isn't his job to know what hes putting in his body

you guys make me sad...no accountability, point the blame somewhere else, nothings ever your fault, ....what load of garbage.

i dont give a fuck if Twinkies made him fail the test. its HIS (no one elses) responsibility to know he cant eat Twinkies. what the fuck is so hard to understand about that? morans
Sorry dude.. no one in moto is that smart to know all the "stuff" put into OTC meds and/or some random OTC anything. Most probably figure if its OTC then it "should" be okay to take, whether right or wrong, I feel that's what most feel.

Doctors have pharmacological bibles... yet they still get sued because they missed a drug interaction and caused harm to their patient. A mistake, how could they?

No-one is perfect and it could be a minor substance that has no effect on anything (in reality), could of gotten something from a friend or even pharmacy that was mislabeled, or a myriad of other "things".

Basically no-one knows what the substance it is that he took but himself and WADA... I think the main sentiment is that you should be punished, but let the circumstances dictate the punishment, not a wet blanket penalty.


Anacin? What's special about anacin? Caffeine and aspirin.

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DonM 6/21/2017 11:33am
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I get the rules are rules but these are basically kids that don't realize that something over the counter can render a positive test...he doesn't have a team manager or a trainer or a man friend for money that would know better....just him.
It sucks and its really unfair but maybe through the B test or appeal things will work out.
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DonM 6/21/2017 11:36am
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Fearo wrote:
Pro motocross racers take doping, shocking news... The funny thing is this is from a urine test. Top cyclists spend millions for undetectable masking agents for...
Pro motocross racers take doping, shocking news...

The funny thing is this is from a urine test. Top cyclists spend millions for undetectable masking agents for BLOOD doping, stuff that couldn't be found in a million years in urine.

I guess if you're a privateer on the bike, you're probably a privateer on the juice program as well.
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Gotta be one in every crowd....
milliebays wrote:
one what?

you think the sport is clean now that Lance is gone? have you kept up with what 37yo Valverde has done this year?
One asshat that jumps to conclusions....and one previously banned member under a new username....
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DonM wrote:
I get the rules are rules but these are basically kids that don't realize that something over the counter can render a positive test...he doesn't have...
I get the rules are rules but these are basically kids that don't realize that something over the counter can render a positive test...he doesn't have a team manager or a trainer or a man friend for money that would know better....just him.
It sucks and its really unfair but maybe through the B test or appeal things will work out.
I don't even have my pro card and I know Adderall is on the list. Hell, I don't even have a bike. Sounds like a case of playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes.

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DonM 6/21/2017 11:45am
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Kwic731 wrote:
Direct MX sheds a little more light on the issue

http://www.directmotocross.com/cade-clason-fim-suspension-update/
ocscottie wrote:
I think more people need to read this.
After reading that I have to take back my assumption of over the counter cold/flu meds.....he will be Stewarted....
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Kwic731 wrote:
Direct MX sheds a little more light on the issue

http://www.directmotocross.com/cade-clason-fim-suspension-update/
ocscottie wrote:
I think more people need to read this.
"He did say that he never technically received notice that he’d been either approved or denied and continued racing."

that is a dumbshit excuse, i have to admit. "ill just use it even though i had to ask for permission to and never got the green light". what a moran.
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twotwosix 6/21/2017 11:56am
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Kwic731 wrote:
Direct MX sheds a little more light on the issue

http://www.directmotocross.com/cade-clason-fim-suspension-update/
ocscottie wrote:
I think more people need to read this.
"Direct Motocross learned this morning that #7 Cade Clason from Chesterfield, SC has tested positive for a banned substance and the FIM has been “provisionally suspended him from all competitions effective immediately,” as stated by Racer X Online.

Cade explained to us that he started taking Adderall almost 3 years ago. He said he filled out the “therapeutic exemption” after he received his first prescription and thought he’d been approved. He did say that he never technically received notice that he’d been either approved or denied and continued racing."
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TeamGreen 6/21/2017 11:56am
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Kwic731 wrote:
Direct MX sheds a little more light on the issue

http://www.directmotocross.com/cade-clason-fim-suspension-update/
ocscottie wrote:
I think more people need to read this.
milliebays wrote:
"He did say that he never technically received notice that he’d been either approved or denied and continued racing." that is a dumbshit excuse, i have...
"He did say that he never technically received notice that he’d been either approved or denied and continued racing."

that is a dumbshit excuse, i have to admit. "ill just use it even though i had to ask for permission to and never got the green light". what a moran.
No worries

With Geniuses like you around, I'm sure it'll all get worked out. Be sure to show up at a race and spew this shit out to these guys in person. Mmmmmmm'Kay, Cupcake?
fullfloater 6/21/2017 12:04pm
6/21/2017 12:04pm Edited Date/Time 6/21/2017 12:06pm
Is it odd that he started taking adderall about the time Stew got caught? Not trying to make light of a terrible situation but did Stew's suspension trigger other riders to have a go at the magic pill?
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milliebays 6/21/2017 12:06pm
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ocscottie wrote:
I think more people need to read this.
milliebays wrote:
"He did say that he never technically received notice that he’d been either approved or denied and continued racing." that is a dumbshit excuse, i have...
"He did say that he never technically received notice that he’d been either approved or denied and continued racing."

that is a dumbshit excuse, i have to admit. "ill just use it even though i had to ask for permission to and never got the green light". what a moran.
TeamGreen wrote:
No worries With Geniuses like you around, I'm sure it'll all get worked out. Be sure to show up at a race and spew this shit...
No worries

With Geniuses like you around, I'm sure it'll all get worked out. Be sure to show up at a race and spew this shit out to these guys in person. Mmmmmmm'Kay, Cupcake?
as an astute judge of intelligence, i'm sure you would agree if you weren't so entrenched in the scene. hopefully he's got someone in his corner keeping it real. for his own sake.
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TeamGreen 6/21/2017 12:07pm
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Kwic731 wrote:
Direct MX sheds a little more light on the issue

http://www.directmotocross.com/cade-clason-fim-suspension-update/
ocscottie wrote:
I think more people need to read this.
milliebays wrote:
"He did say that he never technically received notice that he’d been either approved or denied and continued racing." that is a dumbshit excuse, i have...
"He did say that he never technically received notice that he’d been either approved or denied and continued racing."

that is a dumbshit excuse, i have to admit. "ill just use it even though i had to ask for permission to and never got the green light". what a moran.
6/16/17? Really? Been here just that long and you're knowledgeable on "who's who(m)" around here?

Well, Bye!
jorgechavez 6/21/2017 12:08pm
6/21/2017 12:08pm Edited Date/Time 6/21/2017 12:10pm
So if what Cade said is true, why in three years has WADA not said a word to him about his TUE? I get that you should wait to have written documentation saying you can take it before you do but if the organization doesn't even acknowledge you applied for an exemption that's pretty bullshit IMO. Would have been pretty easy to just deny him the TUE so he would know 100% he can't take it.

I know a lot of people on here won't buy his story and will sit here and act like they caught him with a needle in his arm but IMO WADA is some to blame here. I know not getting a response isn't a green light to just start taking shit but if you're going to police the series like that then there needs to be better communication between the organization and the athletes.
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mxbrady551 6/21/2017 12:08pm
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Over the counter meds could give a false positive reading on an instant strip test. Lab results would be able to tell the difference though.
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TeamGreen 6/21/2017 12:14pm
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jorgechavez wrote:
So if what Cade said is true, why in three years has WADA not said a word to him about his TUE? I get that you...
So if what Cade said is true, why in three years has WADA not said a word to him about his TUE? I get that you should wait to have written documentation saying you can take it before you do but if the organization doesn't even acknowledge you applied for an exemption that's pretty bullshit IMO. Would have been pretty easy to just deny him the TUE so he would know 100% he can't take it.

I know a lot of people on here won't buy his story and will sit here and act like they caught him with a needle in his arm but IMO WADA is some to blame here. I know not getting a response isn't a green light to just start taking shit but if you're going to police the series like that then there needs to be better communication between the organization and the athletes.
Common-sense?

In a WADA thread?

Pfffft!

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milliebays 6/21/2017 12:16pm
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jorgechavez wrote:
So if what Cade said is true, why in three years has WADA not said a word to him about his TUE? I get that you...
So if what Cade said is true, why in three years has WADA not said a word to him about his TUE? I get that you should wait to have written documentation saying you can take it before you do but if the organization doesn't even acknowledge you applied for an exemption that's pretty bullshit IMO. Would have been pretty easy to just deny him the TUE so he would know 100% he can't take it.

I know a lot of people on here won't buy his story and will sit here and act like they caught him with a needle in his arm but IMO WADA is some to blame here. I know not getting a response isn't a green light to just start taking shit but if you're going to police the series like that then there needs to be better communication between the organization and the athletes.
Anderson got denied for the altitude sickness meds TUE fairly promptly. i would lean more toward there being more to Cade's story. but hey maybe hes got his file papered and his ass covered! that's what appeals are for right?!
jorgechavez 6/21/2017 12:43pm
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jorgechavez wrote:
So if what Cade said is true, why in three years has WADA not said a word to him about his TUE? I get that you...
So if what Cade said is true, why in three years has WADA not said a word to him about his TUE? I get that you should wait to have written documentation saying you can take it before you do but if the organization doesn't even acknowledge you applied for an exemption that's pretty bullshit IMO. Would have been pretty easy to just deny him the TUE so he would know 100% he can't take it.

I know a lot of people on here won't buy his story and will sit here and act like they caught him with a needle in his arm but IMO WADA is some to blame here. I know not getting a response isn't a green light to just start taking shit but if you're going to police the series like that then there needs to be better communication between the organization and the athletes.
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Anderson got denied for the altitude sickness meds TUE fairly promptly. i would lean more toward there being more to Cade's story. but hey maybe hes...
Anderson got denied for the altitude sickness meds TUE fairly promptly. i would lean more toward there being more to Cade's story. but hey maybe hes got his file papered and his ass covered! that's what appeals are for right?!
You may very well be right, Cade might not be telling the whole story. But it could also be the case that Anderson probably has 3 or 4 people trying to get him approved for the medicine and the influence of big name sponsors probably got him a response. Whereas Cade probably filed it by himself and left it at that thinking WADA would do their job and approve or deny him.

It's not like WADA has exactly been great with letting people know anything, we were supposed to know the verdict on Stewart within 6 weeks and it took 6 months.

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