Outdoors...who is in and who is out?

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MX Guy 5/11/2017 8:28am
5/11/2017 8:28am
bayodome wrote:
Why would Dungey be out? Did I miss something?
The fact that he's been with aldon for a few years
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davistld01 5/11/2017 9:24am
5/11/2017 9:24am
dsmith wrote:
maybe retired?
I doubt Reed will retire this year. His ego won't let him. I'd personally love to see him on another PC Honda or even an RCH Suzuki, but I think he's had his fill of the Yamaha. Sometimes you just cant go back home...
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DFWracefan 5/11/2017 9:39am
5/11/2017 9:39am
TXDirt wrote:
Who's in? More like a list of who's out.

Could be a very boring outdoor season....
Did you read the title of the thread?
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flarider 5/11/2017 1:16pm
5/11/2017 1:16pm
zehn wrote:
Millsaps out
Rumor is Reed might ride for RMC KTM but I'll believe it when I see it
Had meeting this morning with the team owner, and he confirmed



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davistld01 5/11/2017 3:16pm
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51xc wrote:
mookie might race the nationals after all? I'm really excited to train this summer on my new Specialized S-Works Tarmac from @royscyclery! Mike at the shop...
mookie might race the nationals after all?

Nah...he's just getting himself in shape so he can hang top-10 for 20+ next SX season.
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EEE299 5/11/2017 3:17pm
5/11/2017 3:17pm
51xc wrote:
mookie might race the nationals after all? I'm really excited to train this summer on my new Specialized S-Works Tarmac from @royscyclery! Mike at the shop...
mookie might race the nationals after all?

Lol. He's a month or two late if he wanted to be in shape for Hangtown
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IWreckALot 5/11/2017 5:22pm
5/11/2017 5:22pm
51xc wrote:
mookie might race the nationals after all? I'm really excited to train this summer on my new Specialized S-Works Tarmac from @royscyclery! Mike at the shop...
mookie might race the nationals after all?

It's good to see Malcolm working to get there. Timing be damned, I like seeing that dude out there.
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kkawboy14 5/11/2017 5:47pm
5/11/2017 5:47pm
DavetheVintageGuy wrote:
I agree with all of that. Daytona was just an example that I could find quickly on Google last night. And that was from the days...
I agree with all of that. Daytona was just an example that I could find quickly on Google last night. And that was from the days of qualify and park if you were an independent in the back of the field so you could collect the bucks to pay for other races. Believe me, I am aware of the budgets that auto racing teams have. However, even at the lower levels of auto racing, the payout for making the show is much better even with lower attendance figures than our indoor or outdoor series.

How about a regional ARCA race payout. The Snowball Derby in Pensacola, FL. It's been running now for almost 50 years. Winning paid $22,500, 19th-37th paid $1,500. That doesn't count the payout for the qualifying races or any contingency money. Attendance at that race is approximately 10,000 because that's all Five Flags Speedway will hold.

However, I also agree that the entry cost to our sport is much, much lower. At least for the 450 class, we can buy competitive bikes off the showroom floor. Even if they don't have factory ECU's.Grinning To be competitive, you need to train like the world class athlete you will need to be in order to be competitive. That is not without cost.

It better be much lower, because finishing in the lower half of the top 20 costs anyone that doesn't have a contract with a factory out of their pocket to compete. God help those who finish 30-40. It doesn't pay to be one of the "fillers".

The business model in this sport is very broken from the rider's side. Too much dependence on the manufacturers and energy drink sponsors and not enough marketing to diverse sponsors. Sounds like a broken record, but we don't seem to be able to learn our lessons from the past. We continue to sell the sport as entertainment, but we don't pay the entertainers.
dcg141 wrote:
You have point there with ARCA. Is that race even televised? I would love to see the business numbers on both sides.
It cost at least $30,000 to rent a car and race an arca race
smoothies862 5/11/2017 6:13pm
5/11/2017 6:13pm
I hope I'm wrong but the 250s are going to be the season to watch. it is crazy that this sport cant bring in big sponsors to increase the pay out............ speaking of outdoors. dc, pay 40 points! drives me nuts. why don't sx just pay top 15? if you make the forty. you should get a point. love mx I hope they don't add more sx. fingers crossed for an epic outdoors.
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wildbill 5/11/2017 6:39pm
5/11/2017 6:39pm
zehn wrote:
Millsaps out
Rumor is Reed might ride for RMC KTM but I'll believe it when I see it
flarider wrote:
Had meeting this morning with the team owner, and he confirmed [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/05/10/194025/s1200_050717vegasracing1009.jpg[/img]
Had meeting this morning with the team owner, and he confirmed



You know how many asswipe newbs have no idea of the clout you bring to the rumor table? Wink
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bbhMoto 5/12/2017 7:22am
5/12/2017 7:22am
2smokertillend wrote:
Wow, when you put it like that it's a wonder the sport makes it from year to year. Such a shame!! The part I don't get...
Wow, when you put it like that it's a wonder the sport makes it from year to year. Such a shame!! The part I don't get is how this sport doesn't take over and dominate the world. It's one of the best sports out there!!
Thing is Nascar has 30,000s + people at each event, the cars are giant bill boards, the race leaders, etc are easy to follow and understand what's going on, there's lots other marketing opportunities. It took them a long time to get there.
SX/MX bikes do not have the advertising space and the racing can be tough to follow for the uninitiated.
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MotoMalyDad 5/12/2017 7:41am
5/12/2017 7:41am
tprice07 wrote:
Roczen
Dungey
Canard
Reed
Millsaps
Brayton
Alessi (Canada)
Seely?
Weimer?

Stacked field... oh wait they all could be out ? Let Tomac run hangtown and call it a season.
HonDawg17 5/12/2017 9:35am
5/12/2017 9:35am
Reed has tested KTM's in the past and hates them. Just ask RC. He says they're junk too.
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ML512 5/12/2017 9:41am
5/12/2017 9:41am
HonDawg17 wrote:
Reed has tested KTM's in the past and hates them. Just ask RC. He says they're junk too.
Not quite right. Chad liked the KTM he bought and was testing it quite a bit before he decided on Kawasakis. His problem with the KTM was when they added more power to it, he couldn't keep it working the way he wanted. They weren't going to get support from KTM in that sense (from my understanding) so he chose the Kawasaki instead.
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ed921reyes 5/12/2017 10:08am
5/12/2017 10:08am
reed is not going to go to rmc ktm no way hes leaving fox/ shift. if anything he would take canards bike on the big team but then he runs into the issue of rb vs the claw. but i dont know anything just 2 things i see being an issue. but hes ridden for both different gear companys and c*@#$ in a can companys.

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