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250John 5/6/2017 10:24am
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RandyRotta wrote:
or forget that Dungey battled back from the back of the pack on two occasions to salvage some very important championship points. Last week did not...
or forget that Dungey battled back from the back of the pack on two occasions to salvage some very important championship points. Last week did not define the seasons of either rider.
KB221 wrote:
I respectfully disagree with your last sentence, depending on tomorrow's outcome it either defined 1 or both riders seasons.
suprtrukr425 wrote:
How do you figure that? Tomac lost more points in Dallas because of a mechanical, then he did in NJ. On paper he did not, but...
How do you figure that? Tomac lost more points in Dallas because of a mechanical, then he did in NJ. On paper he did not, but there is no way Dungey finishes ahead of him in Dallas without the brake problem, which would have him still holding the red plate this weekend.
I like how everyone blames Tomac's position on a "mechanical" failure in Dallas. Tomac would never have had that "mechanical" if he had not crashed. That is what caused the mechanical. So once again, you have to keep the bike on two wheels.

Some of the fastest guys never win many championships. They are faster than hell, but can not learn to keep it on two wheels. You have to be there for all 17 rounds to win the championship.
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Starcrossed wrote:
It didn't help Eli when he was getting passed like he was chained to a stump during the first three rounds either.
1st Amendment wrote:
That's because Roczen was causing Eli's arm pump. Heard it here so it must be true.
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250John wrote:
I like how everyone blames Tomac's position on a "mechanical" failure in Dallas. Tomac would never have had that "mechanical" if he had not crashed. That...
I like how everyone blames Tomac's position on a "mechanical" failure in Dallas. Tomac would never have had that "mechanical" if he had not crashed. That is what caused the mechanical. So once again, you have to keep the bike on two wheels.

Some of the fastest guys never win many championships. They are faster than hell, but can not learn to keep it on two wheels. You have to be there for all 17 rounds to win the championship.
Tomac crashed because he had a mechanical.
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SPYGUY 5/6/2017 10:46am
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250John wrote:
I like how everyone blames Tomac's position on a "mechanical" failure in Dallas. Tomac would never have had that "mechanical" if he had not crashed. That...
I like how everyone blames Tomac's position on a "mechanical" failure in Dallas. Tomac would never have had that "mechanical" if he had not crashed. That is what caused the mechanical. So once again, you have to keep the bike on two wheels.

Some of the fastest guys never win many championships. They are faster than hell, but can not learn to keep it on two wheels. You have to be there for all 17 rounds to win the championship.
I thought I had heard later on that the front brake issue is what caused him to go down.

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lostboy819 5/6/2017 10:47am
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suprtrukr425 wrote:
I think if the saying holds true "you win championships of your worst days", then that day would be Dallas. The best he could manage was...
I think if the saying holds true "you win championships of your worst days", then that day would be Dallas. The best he could manage was a 15th, which was worse than how he did in NJ. The way I see it he didn't lose the championship on the day he rode like crap, if he loses it, the day it happend was the day the front brake failed.
His crash caused his brake problem, not a brake problem that cause him to crash, so he caused his own "mechanical"
lostboy819 5/6/2017 10:52am
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SPYGUY wrote:
I thought I had heard later on that the front brake issue is what caused him to go down.
After the race he said he was having brake problems in practice and then his qualifier and then the main. Now if you believe they didn't change out the the front brake components and let him race with a bad front brake then Kawasaki is a low rent outfit. Tomac crashed on his own and damaged it then just made an excuse and blamed the bike.Blush
jorgechavez 5/6/2017 11:15am
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lostboy819 wrote:
After the race he said he was having brake problems in practice and then his qualifier and then the main. Now if you believe they didn't...
After the race he said he was having brake problems in practice and then his qualifier and then the main. Now if you believe they didn't change out the the front brake components and let him race with a bad front brake then Kawasaki is a low rent outfit. Tomac crashed on his own and damaged it then just made an excuse and blamed the bike.Blush
Lol and you're the exact reason no one bothers to tell the truth. What's the point in ever saying anything if you just say it's a lie if it's not what you want to hear? Got to get a grip buddy
lostboy819 5/6/2017 11:27am
5/6/2017 11:27am Edited Date/Time 5/6/2017 11:31am
lostboy819 wrote:
After the race he said he was having brake problems in practice and then his qualifier and then the main. Now if you believe they didn't...
After the race he said he was having brake problems in practice and then his qualifier and then the main. Now if you believe they didn't change out the the front brake components and let him race with a bad front brake then Kawasaki is a low rent outfit. Tomac crashed on his own and damaged it then just made an excuse and blamed the bike.Blush
jorgechavez wrote:
Lol and you're the exact reason no one bothers to tell the truth. What's the point in ever saying anything if you just say it's a...
Lol and you're the exact reason no one bothers to tell the truth. What's the point in ever saying anything if you just say it's a lie if it's not what you want to hear? Got to get a grip buddy
OK so why would they run the same front brake in the main and the qualifiers if it was giving him problems in practice ? I am surprised he didn't say that's what cause him to crash last week too.
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ns503 5/6/2017 12:06pm
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RandyRotta wrote:
or forget that Dungey battled back from the back of the pack on two occasions to salvage some very important championship points. Last week did not...
or forget that Dungey battled back from the back of the pack on two occasions to salvage some very important championship points. Last week did not define the seasons of either rider.
Yup.

I don't think we saw Dungey show any of the what looked like momentary throwing in the towel like ET showed last weekend. RD rode hard all season, last weekend was kind of disappointing for an ET fan with how slow he got up & going & finished the race after he went down.
Dougie-D-768 5/6/2017 12:24pm
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suprtrukr425 wrote:
I think if the saying holds true "you win championships of your worst days", then that day would be Dallas. The best he could manage was...
I think if the saying holds true "you win championships of your worst days", then that day would be Dallas. The best he could manage was a 15th, which was worse than how he did in NJ. The way I see it he didn't lose the championship on the day he rode like crap, if he loses it, the day it happend was the day the front brake failed.
Its almost ironic, the Dallas race. When Tomac finally caught Dungey in the points I thought back to Tomacs 15th in Dallas. I posted something about if most riders had pulled into the pit to have their bike worked on for over a minute they would have given up and gone back to the hauler. I praised Tomac for going back out and salvaging a 15th and said that might have been the best "worst result" ever. I said if Tomac won the title, him not giving up in Dallas may be the difference in him being champ. So, it was odd to see Tomac's body language on the bike after he went down in Jersey. He looked and rode like he had given in a little if not giving up. Hats off to both racers though, despite the recent drama, these two are both champions and make the sport we love better.......please no Dungey rebuttals complaining that Marv let him by, its not Dungeys fault, and you can bet if the shoe was on the other foot Kawasaki would want Grant to let Tomac by, and if Grant moved over and let Tomac by, I seriously doubt Tomac would say no and wave Grant back by for moral reasons and concern for his future sleep cycle.
overthebars39 5/6/2017 12:52pm
5/6/2017 12:52pm Edited Date/Time 5/6/2017 1:51pm
Why does everyone....

Because he had the pointslead, regardless of what happend at the start of the season. He battled back in to the lead, and then gave it away again.

The brake issue is irrelevant, since all he had to do was stay in front of Dungey. If he lost the pointslead due to a mechanical it would be a totally different story. The brake issue he had at Dallas was probably out of his control, his performance at NJ was not. If he was the Tomac we've seen during most of the races he would still be in the lead.

But he wasn't, he lost the lead on his own. Just like Dungey lost the lead on his own when he couldn't get close to Tomac's speed.

Let's see what happens at Vegas*. Dungey might give it away to.
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surfer22 5/6/2017 1:12pm
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Dtat720 wrote:
Wins carry more weight which is why a lot of fans dont give Dungey as much credit. Especially this season. Hes been embarrassed in a few...
Wins carry more weight which is why a lot of fans dont give Dungey as much credit. Especially this season. Hes been embarrassed in a few races by Tomac. Hes admitted to being frustrated by Tomacs speed and not having anything for him. A tie would be perfect. Championship decided by wins. The days of managing points look to be over. Win or go home will be all season next year. Dungey knows it, he wont be back next season. He knows he cant match Tomac win for win.
This right here. Whether its RV, Roczen, or Tomac, Dungey's only hope is they get injured or have a bad race. You gotta give Dungey credit as he is very consistent and it's not his fault the points rules are the way they are. He does what he needs to do to win championships. I'm much more a fan of RV, Roczen, Tomac, etc as they are willing to push it and go for the win no matter what though. You can't argue with Dungey's success though even if he is boring.

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