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seem to blame last weekend for the position Tomac is in? Yes, he had a very off night and may have thrown away the championship. Has everyone forgotten the front brake problem that he had in Dallas? Surely had that not happened, the 3 points MM gifted Dungey would not be as big of a deal right now. Just saying, that race cost him more than any other race where he finished 5th or worse.
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Why does everyone not finish their titles!

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Plugga wrote:
Why does everyone not finish their titles!

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Guess I've been lurking so long I already picked up the bad habbits.
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or forget that Dungey battled back from the back of the pack on two occasions to salvage some very important championship points. Last week did not define the seasons of either rider.
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suprtrukr425 5/5/2017 11:12pm
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or forget that Dungey battled back from the back of the pack on two occasions to salvage some very important championship points. Last week did not...
or forget that Dungey battled back from the back of the pack on two occasions to salvage some very important championship points. Last week did not define the seasons of either rider.
Agreed.

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It didn't help Eli when he was getting passed like he was chained to a stump during the first three rounds either.
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generalizations are bad and should be avoided Cool
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RandyRotta wrote:
or forget that Dungey battled back from the back of the pack on two occasions to salvage some very important championship points. Last week did not...
or forget that Dungey battled back from the back of the pack on two occasions to salvage some very important championship points. Last week did not define the seasons of either rider.
I respectfully disagree with your last sentence, depending on tomorrow's outcome it either defined 1 or both riders seasons.
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suprtrukr425 5/5/2017 11:19pm
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RandyRotta wrote:
or forget that Dungey battled back from the back of the pack on two occasions to salvage some very important championship points. Last week did not...
or forget that Dungey battled back from the back of the pack on two occasions to salvage some very important championship points. Last week did not define the seasons of either rider.
KB221 wrote:
I respectfully disagree with your last sentence, depending on tomorrow's outcome it either defined 1 or both riders seasons.
How do you figure that? Tomac lost more points in Dallas because of a mechanical, then he did in NJ. On paper he did not, but there is no way Dungey finishes ahead of him in Dallas without the brake problem, which would have him still holding the red plate this weekend.
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KB221 5/5/2017 11:22pm
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How do you figure that? Tomac lost more points in Dallas because of a mechanical, then he did in NJ. On paper he did not, but...
How do you figure that? Tomac lost more points in Dallas because of a mechanical, then he did in NJ. On paper he did not, but there is no way Dungey finishes ahead of him in Dallas without the brake problem, which would have him still holding the red plate this weekend.
The way I figure it is he had no control over that, however it was all him in NJ. I would consider NJ to be the defining failure if he loses tomorrow. Maybe I just have a bad memory.
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suprtrukr425 5/5/2017 11:28pm
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I think if the saying holds true "you win championships of your worst days", then that day would be Dallas. The best he could manage was a 15th, which was worse than how he did in NJ. The way I see it he didn't lose the championship on the day he rode like crap, if he loses it, the day it happend was the day the front brake failed.
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KB221 5/5/2017 11:31pm
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I can see your point, also the defining moment of this championship could be coming tomorrow.
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suprtrukr425 5/5/2017 11:32pm
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Very true.
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The way I figure it is he had no control over that, however it was all him in NJ. I would consider NJ to be the...
The way I figure it is he had no control over that, however it was all him in NJ. I would consider NJ to be the defining failure if he loses tomorrow. Maybe I just have a bad memory.
But here's the thing, if everything had played out exactly the same other than his front brake failing the NJ race would have never mattered. If the brake broke on itself or because of some incident I'm
not sure but I did see Eli reply to an Instagram comment saying that was the case and it caused him to crash.
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Having a bad race vs ruining the integrity of the sport and lying on tv is what we are talking about. Because of marvins crap, it lowered the chance of an exciting ending of the series to the fans. Lowered tomacs chance of recoverig from new york. Nobody is arguing that tomac didnt have bad races. Hes gettting screwed out of a fair chance to recover when you have like 6 ktm bikes letting dunge by easily and ONE flat out pulling over
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ET has had to see what happened to JA wash his front out & realised the track was not forgiving in the early laps , once in the lead is anyone going to challenge him. I believe he could have cruised to another win with the knowledge that the last few laps he would gained time on anyone in second. but then again he's a racer
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RandyRotta wrote:
or forget that Dungey battled back from the back of the pack on two occasions to salvage some very important championship points. Last week did not...
or forget that Dungey battled back from the back of the pack on two occasions to salvage some very important championship points. Last week did not define the seasons of either rider.
KB221 wrote:
I respectfully disagree with your last sentence, depending on tomorrow's outcome it either defined 1 or both riders seasons.
suprtrukr425 wrote:
How do you figure that? Tomac lost more points in Dallas because of a mechanical, then he did in NJ. On paper he did not, but...
How do you figure that? Tomac lost more points in Dallas because of a mechanical, then he did in NJ. On paper he did not, but there is no way Dungey finishes ahead of him in Dallas without the brake problem, which would have him still holding the red plate this weekend.
Funny you say that. You could make the same argument about dungeys mechanicals costing him some championships.

This is why they run the races.
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suprtrukr425 wrote:
How do you figure that? Tomac lost more points in Dallas because of a mechanical, then he did in NJ. On paper he did not, but...
How do you figure that? Tomac lost more points in Dallas because of a mechanical, then he did in NJ. On paper he did not, but there is no way Dungey finishes ahead of him in Dallas without the brake problem, which would have him still holding the red plate this weekend.
KB221 wrote:
The way I figure it is he had no control over that, however it was all him in NJ. I would consider NJ to be the...
The way I figure it is he had no control over that, however it was all him in NJ. I would consider NJ to be the defining failure if he loses tomorrow. Maybe I just have a bad memory.
He had no control over the Dallas outcome? Why did the brake fail to begin with?
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Coulda, would, shoulda. If's don't mean shit, what actually happened, however, does.

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KB221 wrote:
I respectfully disagree with your last sentence, depending on tomorrow's outcome it either defined 1 or both riders seasons.
suprtrukr425 wrote:
How do you figure that? Tomac lost more points in Dallas because of a mechanical, then he did in NJ. On paper he did not, but...
How do you figure that? Tomac lost more points in Dallas because of a mechanical, then he did in NJ. On paper he did not, but there is no way Dungey finishes ahead of him in Dallas without the brake problem, which would have him still holding the red plate this weekend.
IWreckALot wrote:
Funny you say that. You could make the same argument about dungeys mechanicals costing him some championships.

This is why they run the races.
Yep. Dungey should add a National 450 championship as well as a SX championship to his resume'.
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It's 17 rounds. The rules are clear at the start. This isn't a tie break or a penalty shootout that gets settled in minutes. It takes months and months, hundreds of laps. Best man always wins.
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RandyRotta wrote:
or forget that Dungey battled back from the back of the pack on two occasions to salvage some very important championship points. Last week did not...
or forget that Dungey battled back from the back of the pack on two occasions to salvage some very important championship points. Last week did not define the seasons of either rider.
No, but all things being equal with two races to go, we have one guy who won 10 races and the other who won 3. It's a hard pill for either's supporter to swallow clearly.

Dungey wasn't the "best" guy and the guy who was had a fucking dunce of a performance that cost him the title.
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Be cool if they tie in points, thus handing it to Eli because of more wins. That way nobody can be butthurt here on vital saying points etc.
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Plugga wrote:
Why does everyone not finish their titles!

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It didn't help Eli when he was getting passed like he was chained to a stump during the first three rounds either.
That's because Roczen was causing Eli's arm pump. Heard it here so it must be true.
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ehr400 wrote:
Be cool if they tie in points, thus handing it to Eli because of more wins. That way nobody can be butthurt here on vital saying...
Be cool if they tie in points, thus handing it to Eli because of more wins. That way nobody can be butthurt here on vital saying points etc.
Wins carry more weight which is why a lot of fans dont give Dungey as much credit. Especially this season. Hes been embarrassed in a few races by Tomac. Hes admitted to being frustrated by Tomacs speed and not having anything for him. A tie would be perfect. Championship decided by wins. The days of managing points look to be over. Win or go home will be all season next year. Dungey knows it, he wont be back next season. He knows he cant match Tomac win for win.
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suprtrukr425 wrote:
How do you figure that? Tomac lost more points in Dallas because of a mechanical, then he did in NJ. On paper he did not, but...
How do you figure that? Tomac lost more points in Dallas because of a mechanical, then he did in NJ. On paper he did not, but there is no way Dungey finishes ahead of him in Dallas without the brake problem, which would have him still holding the red plate this weekend.
He lost more points in joysey than he should have. By my rough count he was 10 seconds getting his bike up and started not including the washout and being on the ground. He's had time for that at the end of the race but can't do that in the opening laps.
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Having a bad race vs ruining the integrity of the sport and lying on tv is what we are talking about. Because of marvins crap, it...
Having a bad race vs ruining the integrity of the sport and lying on tv is what we are talking about. Because of marvins crap, it lowered the chance of an exciting ending of the series to the fans. Lowered tomacs chance of recoverig from new york. Nobody is arguing that tomac didnt have bad races. Hes gettting screwed out of a fair chance to recover when you have like 6 ktm bikes letting dunge by easily and ONE flat out pulling over
HA HA HA- wait, you're serious?
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Plugga wrote:
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I agree and I think...
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It's click bait
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ehr400 wrote:
Be cool if they tie in points, thus handing it to Eli because of more wins. That way nobody can be butthurt here on vital saying...
Be cool if they tie in points, thus handing it to Eli because of more wins. That way nobody can be butthurt here on vital saying points etc.
Dtat720 wrote:
Wins carry more weight which is why a lot of fans dont give Dungey as much credit. Especially this season. Hes been embarrassed in a few...
Wins carry more weight which is why a lot of fans dont give Dungey as much credit. Especially this season. Hes been embarrassed in a few races by Tomac. Hes admitted to being frustrated by Tomacs speed and not having anything for him. A tie would be perfect. Championship decided by wins. The days of managing points look to be over. Win or go home will be all season next year. Dungey knows it, he wont be back next season. He knows he cant match Tomac win for win.
Ya know what carries the most weight? Points, addition of points.

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