So I'm told the 250 points rule will be changing to 130 points over 4 seasons

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Got told this morning! So who gets forced up? Anybody?
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Any change to riders moving back down?
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Xeno 4/13/2017 6:09pm
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You know, the move-up rule does not need to be based on points. The AMA could allow each racer a maximum number of "events".
For example, if the goal is to limit a racer to 4 full seasons in 250sx, they could say each rider can start 36 events. And "start" would mean taking a gate drop in a heat race. Or it could mean completing one lap of timed qualifying practice. Whatever.
At least you could deter these guys from taking a paycheck for entering events and then having "issues" which keep their points totals below the threshold for an involuntary trip to the 450 class.

Does this make sense at all? Because it seems like a viable solution to me.

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Xeno wrote:
You know, the move-up rule does not need to be based on points. The AMA could allow each racer a maximum number of "events". For example...
You know, the move-up rule does not need to be based on points. The AMA could allow each racer a maximum number of "events".
For example, if the goal is to limit a racer to 4 full seasons in 250sx, they could say each rider can start 36 events. And "start" would mean taking a gate drop in a heat race. Or it could mean completing one lap of timed qualifying practice. Whatever.
At least you could deter these guys from taking a paycheck for entering events and then having "issues" which keep their points totals below the threshold for an involuntary trip to the 450 class.

Does this make sense at all? Because it seems like a viable solution to me.

I think it should be based on points. If you are not scoring points, you dont need to be forced into the 450 class.
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Xeno 4/13/2017 6:16pm
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jeffskii wrote:
I think it should be based on points. If you are not scoring points, you dont need to be forced into the 450 class.
Yet there are racers who have been scoring points the the 250 class for 10 years...

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bvm111 4/13/2017 6:26pm
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This whole feeder system regional mumbo jumbo needs to stop... it never made sense to me even in the 80s. Who cares its a professional series, it was lame then and its more lame now.
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Gravel 4/13/2017 9:31pm
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It's a pro class, let riders race whatever class they choose. If a guy wants to race a half season, that should be between him and his sponsors. Think about this: we could have older pros finishing out a career with a few half seasons racing small bores if they weren't quite done, but didn't want to race the full season.
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I don't understand the feeder class mentality. They're both pro classes. They're both the big leagues. Some guys have no chance at making a living in the 450 class but do okay ok on the 250s (Davalos is the most talked about) Like it or not, Davalos will continue to get paid while in the 250s because he's still a threat for podiums. He probably wouldn't be a top 10 rider on 450s.

People here say he needs to move up so the younger guys can take his spot. Let's be realistic, if the younger guys can't beat Davalos then they have no future in the 450 class. reality is, most guys in the 250 class taking outside top 5 will rarely make mains in the 450 class. Race whatever class you're going to make the most money at. We sometimes forget this is how these guys make a living. It's entertainment to us but it's how they feed their families.
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731chopper 4/13/2017 9:48pm
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If they want to eliminate the hoax of it being a support class which it no longer is then they should either stop splitting the talent between two coasts or keep the East/West spit for 6 races each and then make the last 5 races as a grand championship for the 250s that you must have gotten top 10 in points overall on your coast to qualify for. Then you could have regional 1E and 1W battling for who gets the national #1 plate.
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JB 19 4/13/2017 10:33pm
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I don't like the fact that guys like Dean Wilson are/were riding for free when there are 5th-10th place 250 riders probably making over 100K.

The whole system is bogus.
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rrjr 4/14/2017 1:41am
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Nexgenmx wrote:
Got told this morning! So who gets forced up? Anybody?
Who told you that? Your Landscaper or plumber? Maybe the butcher down at the Supermarket?

Even if it was true it wouldn't be retroactive. It would only apply to seasons starting after the rule went into effect.

I read on RacerX that the only rule change that might be changed is the rule that makes it impossible for a rider to defend his Championship even if it's only his second year in the class. Like what happened to Malcolm Stewart, Justin Bogle and many others.
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Nexgenmx 4/14/2017 2:13am
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Nexgenmx wrote:
Got told this morning! So who gets forced up? Anybody?
rrjr wrote:
Who told you that? Your Landscaper or plumber? Maybe the butcher down at the Supermarket? Even if it was true it wouldn't be retroactive. It would...
Who told you that? Your Landscaper or plumber? Maybe the butcher down at the Supermarket?

Even if it was true it wouldn't be retroactive. It would only apply to seasons starting after the rule went into effect.

I read on RacerX that the only rule change that might be changed is the rule that makes it impossible for a rider to defend his Championship even if it's only his second year in the class. Like what happened to Malcolm Stewart, Justin Bogle and many others.
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Flip109 4/14/2017 3:29am
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agn5009 wrote:
I don't understand the feeder class mentality. They're both pro classes. They're both the big leagues. Some guys have no chance at making a living in...
I don't understand the feeder class mentality. They're both pro classes. They're both the big leagues. Some guys have no chance at making a living in the 450 class but do okay ok on the 250s (Davalos is the most talked about) Like it or not, Davalos will continue to get paid while in the 250s because he's still a threat for podiums. He probably wouldn't be a top 10 rider on 450s.

People here say he needs to move up so the younger guys can take his spot. Let's be realistic, if the younger guys can't beat Davalos then they have no future in the 450 class. reality is, most guys in the 250 class taking outside top 5 will rarely make mains in the 450 class. Race whatever class you're going to make the most money at. We sometimes forget this is how these guys make a living. It's entertainment to us but it's how they feed their families.
I used to think otherwise. But the more I think about it I agree with this. If you can't beat dongalos then you ain't gonna make it in the 450's anyway! So oh well. Like stated. It's a fuckin PRO class. This isn't lorettas anymore. Put your big girl pants on and beat these old fuckers on their little bikes, or go do something else Laughing
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Starcrossed 4/14/2017 3:40am
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Nexgenmx wrote:
Got told this morning! So who gets forced up? Anybody?
rrjr wrote:
Who told you that? Your Landscaper or plumber? Maybe the butcher down at the Supermarket? Even if it was true it wouldn't be retroactive. It would...
Who told you that? Your Landscaper or plumber? Maybe the butcher down at the Supermarket?

Even if it was true it wouldn't be retroactive. It would only apply to seasons starting after the rule went into effect.

I read on RacerX that the only rule change that might be changed is the rule that makes it impossible for a rider to defend his Championship even if it's only his second year in the class. Like what happened to Malcolm Stewart, Justin Bogle and many others.
The current rule allows a rider to defend a championship won in their first or second year of competition. If they win it in their third year of 250SX competition, they're done. Three years with one championship, or two championships total, are automatic disqualifications from future 250SX participation.
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steveada 4/14/2017 4:30am
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Why the obsession with making guys move up? I think there are a few good reasons to keep thing the way they are. 1. As others have said, moving people out of the class doesn't really open up spots for new kids to move in and have a chance to make it. It is a pro class, if you are good enough to make it you will. Good riders are getting good rides in the 250 class. If someone is struggling to make mains, they are not going to suddenly become a contender because Devalos, Hansen etc etc are forced out of the class. 2. People who want this seem to talk out of both sides of their mouth. On one hand they want to get the older guys out so the younger guys can get rides, then in the next breath say that the 250 class should not be a split series, effectively taking half of the rides away. It is still a feeder class, even if it is filled with guys that have been in the class for 10 years. Riders are bumped up based on performance (i.e. -accumulating points), or they move up voluntarily because someone sees enough potential in them to offer them a 450 ride, thus it is a stepping stone to the 450 class for riders good enough to step up. However there will always be guys like Devalos who are good enough to be competitive in the 250 class, yet never quite put everything together enough to make the next step. That is fine with me and good for the sport to keep the most talented guys on a dirtbike racing. Why is that a bad thing?
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chump6784 4/14/2017 4:46am
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Why not a salary cap on the 250 class? I'm not sure what someone like Davalos would be making but lets say with gear deals its 200k with win bonuses on top. If you made the salary cap 100k with win bonuses on top that may be the incentive to move guys up.

Personally, I don't see the need to move guys up. There isn't enough rides in the 450 class as it is, you are just pushing guys to ride on their own dime or find another form of income
wideopen198 4/14/2017 6:32am
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They should just get rid of that dumb points rule for moving up. Just make a rule which states that you have to move up if you win the championship 2 years in a row and that's it.
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tprice07 4/14/2017 7:14am
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Get rid of the rule all together. Let amateurs stay down for a few more years and race arenacross or something.
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yurcho44 4/14/2017 7:31am
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I like that new rule and if a rider wins a championship they have the option to defend their title if they'd like. They could move up also if they wanted.

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Todd_Dooley 4/14/2017 9:57am
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I'd like to see it become another premier class 17 race series same as the 450's, like the nationals. Some guys are just better lites riders(little guys) and will never be 450 class elite riders. It sounds kinda silly but the cream will always rise to the top.
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rrjr 4/14/2017 12:54pm
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Nexgenmx wrote:
Got told this morning! So who gets forced up? Anybody?
rrjr wrote:
Who told you that? Your Landscaper or plumber? Maybe the butcher down at the Supermarket? Even if it was true it wouldn't be retroactive. It would...
Who told you that? Your Landscaper or plumber? Maybe the butcher down at the Supermarket?

Even if it was true it wouldn't be retroactive. It would only apply to seasons starting after the rule went into effect.

I read on RacerX that the only rule change that might be changed is the rule that makes it impossible for a rider to defend his Championship even if it's only his second year in the class. Like what happened to Malcolm Stewart, Justin Bogle and many others.
Starcrossed wrote:
The current rule allows a rider to defend a championship won in their first or second year of competition. If they win it in their third...
The current rule allows a rider to defend a championship won in their first or second year of competition. If they win it in their third year of 250SX competition, they're done. Three years with one championship, or two championships total, are automatic disqualifications from future 250SX participation.
You are correct Sir.

A rider who wins a Supercross Lites [250SX] Championship will be eligible to participate in the Supercross Lites class for a maximum of three years total regardless of what year he/she won the title. (i.e. if a rider wins the Championship in their third year of Supercross Lites competition, they will be ineligible for the Supercross Lites class regardless of points and therefore not eligible to defend their Supercross Lites Championship title).

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