JA21 Neck Brace Ad

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HenryA 3/7/2017 9:15am
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Looks like it was Airoh that saved him that time, not Atlas. Huh
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HenryA wrote:
Looks like it was Airoh that saved him that time, not Atlas. Huh
My thoughts as well.
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mooch 3/7/2017 9:42am
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Yay, it's a neck brace ad...awesome stuff !

The thing I'm truly shocked about from reading this thread is that more folks don't use ad blockers on their browser! Never seen this ad or any others on Vital.
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jj welks 3/7/2017 9:45am
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I thought it was weird that basically used a gif of the crash for the ad but I got the "point" of it

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TheGetFresh 3/7/2017 9:49am
3/7/2017 9:49am
mooch wrote:
Yay, it's a neck brace ad...awesome stuff ! The thing I'm truly shocked about from reading this thread is that more folks don't use ad blockers...
Yay, it's a neck brace ad...awesome stuff !

The thing I'm truly shocked about from reading this thread is that more folks don't use ad blockers on their browser! Never seen this ad or any others on Vital.
You ought to turn off ad blocker on vital. The ads (usually) aren't too bothersome and they're always moto related. Plus, the vital dudes get paid largely by the ads post. You're viewing the site for free. If nobody sees the ads, the guys don't get paid. If they don't get paid, this goes the way of vurb
AtlasBrace 3/7/2017 9:49am
3/7/2017 9:49am
To clear things up a little we mean no disrespect to ANY rider. IF he had been seriously injured in that crash we would have never created the GIF, that would have been in poor taste.

Unfortunately these types of crashes happen, and the footage shows a real life scenario of a guy in a terrible situation - that came out ok. This is as close to the "real life testing" that everyone always asks for.

We can't prove the neck brace saved him, just like we can't prove the effectiveness of the helmet in that scenario. Neither was rigged with sensors, and we can't repeat the same crash with different variables. What we do know is that he walked away. We think that says enough - for everything involved.
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cmarona463 3/7/2017 9:52am
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To clear things up a little we mean no disrespect to ANY rider. IF he had been seriously injured in that crash we would have never...
To clear things up a little we mean no disrespect to ANY rider. IF he had been seriously injured in that crash we would have never created the GIF, that would have been in poor taste.

Unfortunately these types of crashes happen, and the footage shows a real life scenario of a guy in a terrible situation - that came out ok. This is as close to the "real life testing" that everyone always asks for.

We can't prove the neck brace saved him, just like we can't prove the effectiveness of the helmet in that scenario. Neither was rigged with sensors, and we can't repeat the same crash with different variables. What we do know is that he walked away. We think that says enough - for everything involved.
Very well said and thank you for your input as well as doing a part to try to eliminate a life threatening injury.
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F.B 3/7/2017 10:02am
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AtlasBrace wrote:
To clear things up a little we mean no disrespect to ANY rider. IF he had been seriously injured in that crash we would have never...
To clear things up a little we mean no disrespect to ANY rider. IF he had been seriously injured in that crash we would have never created the GIF, that would have been in poor taste.

Unfortunately these types of crashes happen, and the footage shows a real life scenario of a guy in a terrible situation - that came out ok. This is as close to the "real life testing" that everyone always asks for.

We can't prove the neck brace saved him, just like we can't prove the effectiveness of the helmet in that scenario. Neither was rigged with sensors, and we can't repeat the same crash with different variables. What we do know is that he walked away. We think that says enough - for everything involved.
You can't prove the brace did anything but he walked away so that says enough? Great logic.
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DoctorJD 3/7/2017 10:12am
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Monte122 wrote:
Nothing wrong with the ad, JA is fine... move on...
DoctorJD wrote:
Agree. Educate yourselves.

http://racerxonline.com/2017/01/10/atlas-brace-presents-jason-anderson-…
F.B wrote:
With an Atlas infomercial? SMH.
If you read the replies to this topic on the first page (and the topic itself) it was more about the indignation that some people felt due to the graphic nature of the ad, and the idea that perhaps Atlas was exploiting JA's misfortune. Sure, JA is on Atlas' payroll, but I'm pretty sure his sentiment in the RX video (informercial) I posted is sincere. I think that HE believes the Atlas brace saved him from worse injury.

Since my post, this topic has gone off the rails into the predictable, "Neck Braces: Fish Oil or Live-Saver" argument...which I absolutely don't have the energy to engage in today.
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seth505 3/7/2017 10:13am
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AtlasBrace wrote:
To clear things up a little we mean no disrespect to ANY rider. IF he had been seriously injured in that crash we would have never...
To clear things up a little we mean no disrespect to ANY rider. IF he had been seriously injured in that crash we would have never created the GIF, that would have been in poor taste.

Unfortunately these types of crashes happen, and the footage shows a real life scenario of a guy in a terrible situation - that came out ok. This is as close to the "real life testing" that everyone always asks for.

We can't prove the neck brace saved him, just like we can't prove the effectiveness of the helmet in that scenario. Neither was rigged with sensors, and we can't repeat the same crash with different variables. What we do know is that he walked away. We think that says enough - for everything involved.
F.B wrote:
You can't prove the brace did anything but he walked away so that says enough? Great logic.
This place is fuckin ridiculous, you have a problem with the Atlas statement stating why they used this in an ad and how it wasn't set up with sensors to provide data on the impact?
AtlasBrace 3/7/2017 10:22am
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You can't prove the brace did anything but he walked away so that says enough? Great logic.
We do complex scientific lab testing to evaluate the actual effectiveness of the brace, we (try to) show real world scenarios that can often mimic the type of testing we do to help show that effectiveness in the real world.

So yes, we think that imagery demonstrates a real world example of multiple products that performed well, didn't cause any additional harm, and resulted in a rider that walked away from a terrible accident. We believe that says enough, about a scenario which is impossible to extract data (numbers) from, while also showing that we believe products that are proven to reduce forces (helmets, neck braces, etc) are a good thing for a dangerous sport.
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F.B 3/7/2017 10:26am
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seth505 wrote:
This place is fuckin ridiculous, you have a problem with the Atlas statement stating why they used this in an ad and how it wasn't set...
This place is fuckin ridiculous, you have a problem with the Atlas statement stating why they used this in an ad and how it wasn't set up with sensors to provide data on the impact?
What I'm saying is that if you can't prove the brace did anything, don't make an add implying it saved him. Nothing more.
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JBecker 72 3/7/2017 10:35am
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This place is fuckin ridiculous, you have a problem with the Atlas statement stating why they used this in an ad and how it wasn't set...
This place is fuckin ridiculous, you have a problem with the Atlas statement stating why they used this in an ad and how it wasn't set up with sensors to provide data on the impact?
F.B wrote:
What I'm saying is that if you can't prove the brace did anything, don't make an add implying it saved him. Nothing more.
You can't prove the helmet saved his life either. Feel free to not wear yours.
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F.B 3/7/2017 10:36am
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AtlasBrace wrote:
We do complex scientific lab testing to evaluate the actual effectiveness of the brace, we (try to) show real world scenarios that can often mimic the...
We do complex scientific lab testing to evaluate the actual effectiveness of the brace, we (try to) show real world scenarios that can often mimic the type of testing we do to help show that effectiveness in the real world.

So yes, we think that imagery demonstrates a real world example of multiple products that performed well, didn't cause any additional harm, and resulted in a rider that walked away from a terrible accident. We believe that says enough, about a scenario which is impossible to extract data (numbers) from, while also showing that we believe products that are proven to reduce forces (helmets, neck braces, etc) are a good thing for a dangerous sport.
You claim the brace and helmet PERFORMED WELL and RESULTED in a rider that walked away. Again, if you don't have proof, don't make those claims.
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MK_281 3/7/2017 10:41am
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AtlasBrace wrote:
We do complex scientific lab testing to evaluate the actual effectiveness of the brace, we (try to) show real world scenarios that can often mimic the...
We do complex scientific lab testing to evaluate the actual effectiveness of the brace, we (try to) show real world scenarios that can often mimic the type of testing we do to help show that effectiveness in the real world.

So yes, we think that imagery demonstrates a real world example of multiple products that performed well, didn't cause any additional harm, and resulted in a rider that walked away from a terrible accident. We believe that says enough, about a scenario which is impossible to extract data (numbers) from, while also showing that we believe products that are proven to reduce forces (helmets, neck braces, etc) are a good thing for a dangerous sport.
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You claim the brace and helmet PERFORMED WELL and RESULTED in a rider that walked away. Again, if you don't have proof, don't make those claims.
Save your breath Atlas....This dude is french. Nothing will ever make sense to him.
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akillerwombat 3/7/2017 10:44am
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Jdawggg wrote:
Almost as bad as this one!!! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/03/07/180130/s1200_trey.jpg[/img]
Almost as bad as this one!!!




Trey: No neck brace, broke his back, now wears a neck brace.
Ando: Wearing a neck brace, had a pretty damn similar accident, walked away without a broken back.

Not saying its conclusive as there are always variables, and these are two very specific instances as opposed to collecting large sums of data, but if you want to compare apples to apples this is a pretty solid place to start with real world examples.
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F.B 3/7/2017 10:48am
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JBecker 72 wrote:
You can't prove the helmet saved his life either. Feel free to not wear yours.
I wear a brace. Not because of a stupid add that doesn't prove anything but because of the data I have seen over the years from different sources (not a definite proof but enough to convince me).
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tek14 3/7/2017 10:51am
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[b]Trey:[/b] No neck brace, broke his back, now wears a neck brace. [b]Ando:[/b] Wearing a neck brace, had a pretty damn similar accident, walked away without...
Trey: No neck brace, broke his back, now wears a neck brace.
Ando: Wearing a neck brace, had a pretty damn similar accident, walked away without a broken back.

Not saying its conclusive as there are always variables, and these are two very specific instances as opposed to collecting large sums of data, but if you want to compare apples to apples this is a pretty solid place to start with real world examples.
Yeah two totally different accidents... doesn't prove neck brace didn't make any difference. Andos crash Japan rider just walked away cos he just hitted JA and not landed on like Morais who´s career ended up here.
Brace or not that Atlas add is tasteless and cheap.

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F.B 3/7/2017 10:53am
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MK_281 wrote:
Save your breath Atlas....This dude is french. Nothing will ever make sense to him.
Care to explain?
AtlasBrace 3/7/2017 10:53am
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You claim the brace and helmet PERFORMED WELL and RESULTED in a rider that walked away. Again, if you don't have proof, don't make those claims.
That ad was simply an image. You can take from it what you wish. You are free to believe the neck brace and helmet did absolutely nothing to help protect Jason, that is your right. The facts are he wore the products, and he walked away.
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akillerwombat 3/7/2017 10:54am
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Yeah two totally different accidents... doesn't prove neck brace didn't make any difference. Andos crash Japan rider just walked away cos he just hitted JA and...
Yeah two totally different accidents... doesn't prove neck brace didn't make any difference. Andos crash Japan rider just walked away cos he just hitted JA and not landed on like Morais who´s career ended up here.
Brace or not that Atlas add is tasteless and cheap.
And now we're using the condition of the rider who landed on the other vs the one getting landed on to discredit the potential value that the brace added to protecting Anderson.

Vital is always good for a laugh.
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cmarona463 3/7/2017 10:56am
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F.B wrote:
I wear a brace. Not because of a stupid add that doesn't prove anything but because of the data I have seen over the years from...
I wear a brace. Not because of a stupid add that doesn't prove anything but because of the data I have seen over the years from different sources (not a definite proof but enough to convince me).
So you would rather them create an ad that shows all of their scientific data, instead of an ad that shows a real world scenario -in which their product was a part of the equation- where a rider escaped serious injury.
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And now we're using the [b]condition of the rider who landed on the other[/b] vs the one getting landed on to discredit the potential value that...
And now we're using the condition of the rider who landed on the other vs the one getting landed on to discredit the potential value that the brace added to protecting Anderson.

Vital is always good for a laugh.
If you don't understand difference landing point.. just keep laughing dude.
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MK_281 3/7/2017 10:57am
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Save your breath Atlas....This dude is french. Nothing will ever make sense to him.
F.B wrote:
Care to explain?
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akillerwombat 3/7/2017 11:00am
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tek14 wrote:
If you don't understand difference landing point.. just keep laughing dude.
I completely understand the difference of what is being brought up as it pertains to the bike position when it landed on the rider.

But, if you guys are bent out of shape because of the number of variables when it comes to how the bike landed on said rider and the injuries that were or were not sustained – the idea that you would bring up the health of the other rider post crash and not see that as adding 1,000 more variables is truly laughable.
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seth505 3/7/2017 11:04am
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This place is fuckin ridiculous, you have a problem with the Atlas statement stating why they used this in an ad and how it wasn't set...
This place is fuckin ridiculous, you have a problem with the Atlas statement stating why they used this in an ad and how it wasn't set up with sensors to provide data on the impact?
F.B wrote:
What I'm saying is that if you can't prove the brace did anything, don't make an add implying it saved him. Nothing more.
Being a skeptic of any data shown/claims is all good but I can't fathom why people have a problem with an ad that shows an actual race incident involving their rider and product with zero dramatization/manipulation.
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F.B 3/7/2017 11:09am
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F.B wrote:
You claim the brace and helmet PERFORMED WELL and RESULTED in a rider that walked away. Again, if you don't have proof, don't make those claims.
AtlasBrace wrote:
That ad was simply an image. You can take from it what you wish. You are free to believe the neck brace and helmet did absolutely...
That ad was simply an image. You can take from it what you wish. You are free to believe the neck brace and helmet did absolutely nothing to help protect Jason, that is your right. The facts are he wore the products, and he walked away.
I like how you bring the helmet into this Grinning What I take from this ad is that maybe the brace helped him , maybe not. No one knows. It has zero value.
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F.B 3/7/2017 11:11am
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cmarona463 wrote:
So you would rather them create an ad that shows all of their scientific data, instead of an ad that shows a real world scenario -in...
So you would rather them create an ad that shows all of their scientific data, instead of an ad that shows a real world scenario -in which their product was a part of the equation- where a rider escaped serious injury.
Yes.
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Gukamonster 3/7/2017 11:15am
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Have any of you given any consideration as to how Chihiro Notsuka feels about all of this?!
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cmarona463 3/7/2017 11:18am
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cmarona463 wrote:
So you would rather them create an ad that shows all of their scientific data, instead of an ad that shows a real world scenario -in...
So you would rather them create an ad that shows all of their scientific data, instead of an ad that shows a real world scenario -in which their product was a part of the equation- where a rider escaped serious injury.
F.B wrote:
Yes.
Sorry but you're a moron lol. That's just stupid

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