Tomac pulls a Dungey and Dungey pulls a Tomac

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Nice start and clean track for Tomac, never challenged. Dungey came into first turn almost dead last, puts on Heroic ride to an excellent 2nd place finish. Epic ride by Dungey in Toronto!
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How it must suck to be everyone else but Tomac and Dungey!
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With the one difference being Dungey not putting a dent in Tomac’s lead
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APerry151 3/5/2017 9:12am
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mxpro252 wrote:
With the one difference being Dungey not putting a dent in Tomac’s lead
True, was gonna say a mirror image of last week other than the fact Dungey wasn't catching ET. Still, Ryan's last two rides have done a lot to silence everyone about what's wrong with him. Including myself.

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TheOriginalPancakee 3/5/2017 9:15am
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Yea except you miss the part where Tomac starts 10th catches Dungey from 10 seconds back. You had to know Dungey was gonna get second that race.
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mxpro252 wrote:
With the one difference being Dungey not putting a dent in Tomac’s lead
Would you risk a DNF because of crash trying to push to try and catch Tomac when you know you have 2nd in the bag? Dungey knew he wasn't going to catch him from that far back when he got into 2nd. Not enough time left to do it. Championship ride by Dungey in books.
crashnburn11 3/5/2017 9:25am
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That's why being consistent like Dungey puts you in a good spot... Tomac has to try to catch him, since he needs the points, dungey can give up 3 to tomac knowing the roles will probably go back to normal next week.
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malachi177 3/5/2017 9:50am
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mxpro252 wrote:
With the one difference being Dungey not putting a dent in Tomac’s lead
With a major difference being RD got hit by Freise falling, then Ryan got T-boned by an out of control Seely. Lets see how that would have affected Tomac's charge. People tend to ignore important facts. 20th to 2nd with those two mishaps is very impressive with this stacked field!
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davistld01 3/5/2017 10:02am
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mxpro252 wrote:
With the one difference being Dungey not putting a dent in Tomac’s lead
And ET not making much of if any dent in Dungey's points lead.
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MX Guy 3/5/2017 10:43am
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If Tomac wins this title I will be very surprised. Rooting for him because he's my dude but beating RD by overcoming a double-digit point deficit is more difficult than reading Chinese Naval code.
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APerry151 3/5/2017 10:47am
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If Tomac wins this title I will be very surprised. Rooting for him because he's my dude but beating RD by overcoming a double-digit point deficit...
If Tomac wins this title I will be very surprised. Rooting for him because he's my dude but beating RD by overcoming a double-digit point deficit is more difficult than reading Chinese Naval code.
I simply don't see it happening, Tomac is bound to have at least one more bad race. Dungey will podium almost every round. It'll take a DNF from Dungey for Tomac to win it.
1st Amendment 3/5/2017 10:57am
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It's gotta be demoralizing when Tomac has been riding this good and is still having trouble to chip away any points. RV was the only one who could do it and he paid the price for it a couple times and got burned out in the process.
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RandyS 3/5/2017 11:59am
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Tomac Atlanta points:22
Dungey Toronto points:22

Tomac behind after Minneapolis:24
Dungey ahead after Toronto:24
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MX Guy 3/5/2017 8:26pm
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MX Guy wrote:
If Tomac wins this title I will be very surprised. Rooting for him because he's my dude but beating RD by overcoming a double-digit point deficit...
If Tomac wins this title I will be very surprised. Rooting for him because he's my dude but beating RD by overcoming a double-digit point deficit is more difficult than reading Chinese Naval code.
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I simply don't see it happening, Tomac is bound to have at least one more bad race. Dungey will podium almost every round. It'll take a...
I simply don't see it happening, Tomac is bound to have at least one more bad race. Dungey will podium almost every round. It'll take a DNF from Dungey for Tomac to win it.
Anything is possible in supercross.
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Mit12 3/5/2017 8:53pm
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Tomac is going to try and win every race even at the risk of crashing. Like Tomac said "its Dungey in front of me I can't get second".
Todd_Dooley 3/5/2017 9:05pm
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mxpro252 wrote:
With the one difference being Dungey not putting a dent in Tomac’s lead
malachi177 wrote:
With a major difference being RD got hit by Freise falling, then Ryan got T-boned by an out of control Seely. Lets see how that would...
With a major difference being RD got hit by Freise falling, then Ryan got T-boned by an out of control Seely. Lets see how that would have affected Tomac's charge. People tend to ignore important facts. 20th to 2nd with those two mishaps is very impressive with this stacked field!
True but let's also keep in mind, Moosecan sick, Baggit going down, Anderson breaking, Seeley ??.
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C_Hart3 3/5/2017 9:22pm
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mxpro252 wrote:
With the one difference being Dungey not putting a dent in Tomac’s lead
malachi177 wrote:
With a major difference being RD got hit by Freise falling, then Ryan got T-boned by an out of control Seely. Lets see how that would...
With a major difference being RD got hit by Freise falling, then Ryan got T-boned by an out of control Seely. Lets see how that would have affected Tomac's charge. People tend to ignore important facts. 20th to 2nd with those two mishaps is very impressive with this stacked field!
First off Dungey started in 9th not 20th... Friese didn't actually touch Dungey but did force him to change his line to avoid being hit. Seely is the only one who actually put up a fight against Dungey instead of letting him go by. Also if I'm not mistaken Eli had his fair share of obstacles in Atlanta.

Maybe Dungey didn't try to catch Eli because 2nd was good enough for him, or he felt he couldn't catch him and didn't want to risk it, but Eli decided he felt he could catch Dungey, and he almost did. Maybe Eli isn't pushing to the max like everyone seems to think. Maybe this is how he rides comfortably and he's not bound to crash at any moment.

Seems to me that whenever Dungey wins or comes up through the pack it is just because he is just that talented, and if he gets a bad start it is everyone elses fault. But if Eli does well or comes up through the pack he's lucky or hes pushing it and is bound to crash at any moment. Why can't it just be that he is actually that talented?
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malachi177 3/5/2017 9:28pm
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C_Hart3 wrote:
First off Dungey started in 9th not 20th... Friese didn't actually touch Dungey but did force him to change his line to avoid being hit. Seely...
First off Dungey started in 9th not 20th... Friese didn't actually touch Dungey but did force him to change his line to avoid being hit. Seely is the only one who actually put up a fight against Dungey instead of letting him go by. Also if I'm not mistaken Eli had his fair share of obstacles in Atlanta.

Maybe Dungey didn't try to catch Eli because 2nd was good enough for him, or he felt he couldn't catch him and didn't want to risk it, but Eli decided he felt he could catch Dungey, and he almost did. Maybe Eli isn't pushing to the max like everyone seems to think. Maybe this is how he rides comfortably and he's not bound to crash at any moment.

Seems to me that whenever Dungey wins or comes up through the pack it is just because he is just that talented, and if he gets a bad start it is everyone elses fault. But if Eli does well or comes up through the pack he's lucky or hes pushing it and is bound to crash at any moment. Why can't it just be that he is actually that talented?
Dungey was 20th around the holeshot corner, 9th at the end of the first lap. That is fact, don't believe me, look below

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20th to 2nd. Give the champ some credit.
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C_Hart3 3/5/2017 10:12pm
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Ok sorry he was in 9th by the end of the first lap. There are so many changes in those first few corners I guess I didn't see that. I definitely do give Dungey credit, it is very impressive. But credit should also be given to Eli for doing the same thing.

I'm not by any means trying to talk down about Dungey, I think he is an incredible, smart, talented, consistent rider who is going to go down in history as one of the best. It seems like any time someone says anything that isn't praising Dungey all his fans get defensive and start coming up with excuses, didn't want to believe something was up with him, even though after winning last week he said they made changes to the bike, now he looks like his normal self.

When Dunge does something good its because that who he is, but when Eli or anyone else does something good they are pushing to the max and are going to crash at any moment. Why cant you believe that maybe Eli is just that good too...?
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KirkChandler 3/5/2017 10:43pm
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I know Eli is good. Has he reached his potential yet? I don't think so, his talent ceiling is very high. He has amazing races, then will have something random go wrong (even going back to his 250 days), then has had major slumps during his career, then has had more amazing races. This has happened his entire career to date. If he can harness the brilliant rides without the major mistakes, then maybe he will become a 450 champion and become one of the greats.

Some of his super fans take his amazing rides and exaggerate those races and discredit the other riders on the track that actually have 450 Championships to their credit. I think that annoys fans of other riders.

And personally I just want to see good racing. I'm acquaintances with a lot of these guys, some I'd actually call friends, and just want them to race clean, be safe, and race to their potential.
Jmicmoto13 3/6/2017 4:27am
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I love how Jim Holley asked this exact question in the post race interview. Looks like you guys were acting opposite of your normal selfs!
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Ok sorry he was in 9th by the end of the first lap. There are so many changes in those first few corners I guess I...
Ok sorry he was in 9th by the end of the first lap. There are so many changes in those first few corners I guess I didn't see that. I definitely do give Dungey credit, it is very impressive. But credit should also be given to Eli for doing the same thing.

I'm not by any means trying to talk down about Dungey, I think he is an incredible, smart, talented, consistent rider who is going to go down in history as one of the best. It seems like any time someone says anything that isn't praising Dungey all his fans get defensive and start coming up with excuses, didn't want to believe something was up with him, even though after winning last week he said they made changes to the bike, now he looks like his normal self.

When Dunge does something good its because that who he is, but when Eli or anyone else does something good they are pushing to the max and are going to crash at any moment. Why cant you believe that maybe Eli is just that good too...?
Can you maybe reference somewhere someone said that Tomac was lucky? I don't recall reading that here but I don't read all the threads. You seem to be worked up over something trivial here or maybe a one off comment by one of Vital's finest?

I believe the perception about Eli riding "out of control" may be due to the fact that he's in his 2nd or 3rd year on the 450, and already has more season ending injuries and more inconsistent placings than Dungey has had in 9? seasons. Combine that with the number of times you see Tomac's rear wheel out of sorts, compared with Dungey's bike control.

I don't think Tomac has any lack of talent. He has a more loose style on the bike, but that can be interpreted as less control at times.
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nickkraze 3/6/2017 8:21am
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mxpro252 wrote:
With the one difference being Dungey not putting a dent in Tomac’s lead
+1
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Monte122 3/6/2017 8:38am
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davistld01 wrote:
And ET not making much of if any dent in Dungey's points lead.
This.. the guy with the most points wins the championship.

With the one difference being, Tomac needs to make up points to catch Dungey..
Dungey, well not so much.

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