Are there any Pro riders around here? So far 2

jtiger12 wrote:

I'd be willing to bet this job

https://feldentertainment.mua.hrdepartment.com/hr/ats/Posting/share/795

Pays more than some guys with a top 100 number make in a year. Sad.

jeffro503 wrote:

There is a huge gap between a guy breaking even and having a house in So Cal with a sprinter in multiple garages. I don't have...

There is a huge gap between a guy breaking even and having a house in So Cal with a sprinter in multiple garages.

I don't have all the answers , but i know damn well the sport would be better off if some of the money on top , would slide it's way down a bit.

It's not the rider's fault , it's the way that all the revenues of money that poor in...mostly stop at the top guys. Leaving very little for guys outside the top 10. I see these athlete's that get used for promotional commercials , get TV time ect....and they don't even make enough to break even?

KyleChisholm11 wrote:

I'm a fan of both and I enjoy racing both a lot. So I would be disappointed if either one went away. However I will say...

I'm a fan of both and I enjoy racing both a lot. So I would be disappointed if either one went away. However I will say it is a very tough schedule for a 450 guy. I wish it was a little more balanced and we had a little more rest time during the season and offseason. For sure the worst part about outdoors is the lack of pay. We work way harder and longer for way less money. I can get top 10 at a national as a privateer and break even if I'm lucky. So if I didn't truly enjoy outdoors it would be easy to not do them. Unfortunately for me I do enjoy them haha so whether I have a ride or not I'm usually going to do my best to be racing. Just my $.02

bdub wrote:

Even if the "AMA Nationals do go away, I would bet there would be some sort of series that would replace it. Lots of fast riders...

Even if the "AMA Nationals do go away, I would bet there would be some sort of series that would replace it. Lots of fast riders out there that would be left by the wayside if this current idea would be implemented. Could be a positive as much as a negative in my opinion. As long as there is a demand for it (which there obviously is) there is going to be someone out there with plenty of money willing to put together some sort of series.

kzizok wrote:

I respectfully disagree. People with money invest based on calculated risks and are looking to hedge themselves by identifying products that have the best percentage of...

I respectfully disagree. People with money invest based on calculated risks and are looking to hedge themselves by identifying products that have the best percentage of succeding. Often this is done by looking and recent results as they are a good predictor of future successes. In other words, that would lead them to asking themselves if the current demand is good enough to return a desired profit, then why couldnt the most established series, with a high level of expertise, make it? Its one thing to invest in an unknown, but to invest in something that recently failed is a whole different story.

Thats not to say that perhaps some sort of outdoor model wouldnt be attempted but I think it would be a long shot for someone to come in and try to replicate outdoor MX as we currently know it.

As always, my comments aren't absolute.

kzizok wrote:

I respectfully disagree. People with money invest based on calculated risks and are looking to hedge themselves by identifying products that have the best percentage of...

I respectfully disagree. People with money invest based on calculated risks and are looking to hedge themselves by identifying products that have the best percentage of succeding. Often this is done by looking and recent results as they are a good predictor of future successes. In other words, that would lead them to asking themselves if the current demand is good enough to return a desired profit, then why couldnt the most established series, with a high level of expertise, make it? Its one thing to invest in an unknown, but to invest in something that recently failed is a whole different story.

Thats not to say that perhaps some sort of outdoor model wouldnt be attempted but I think it would be a long shot for someone to come in and try to replicate outdoor MX as we currently know it.

As always, my comments aren't absolute.

bdub wrote:

As the saying goes, You know how to make a small fortune in motorsports....

GuyB wrote:

I don't have the answers, but... Do a little math on 80 riders per weekend for the Nationals. How much do you think the purse should...

I don't have the answers, but...

Do a little math on 80 riders per weekend for the Nationals. How much do you think the purse should be? Break it down, and total it up.

Unless you're talking the very top levels of motorsports, you're not talking huge amounts of money. I used to cringe back in the day at the amount that sprint car guys invested into their engines for a relatively modest payback...and huge risk.

mx510 wrote:

How is that even possible without knowing what promoters/track owners etc take in, attendance and sponsorship wise. As well as how much they have to pay...

How is that even possible without knowing what promoters/track owners etc take in, attendance and sponsorship wise. As well as how much they have to pay for the event and the cost to run the event. Pure speculation and a wild guess is all we can give here.

GuyB wrote:

That's sort of my point. Earlier someone suggested that every guy in the top 20 should be making a living. What constitutes a living? Enough to...

That's sort of my point. Earlier someone suggested that every guy in the top 20 should be making a living.

What constitutes a living? Enough to get to the next race? A sweet house in So. Cal? A sprinter in every garage?

Should the purse be a sliding scale, where if the attendance is huge, the riders share in it? Or if the promoter takes a bath, the pay is commensurate with that?

Part of the making a living deal is chasing down sponsors, selling themselves (something that I don't think a lot of riders have time for, or really want to devote much time to). Checking with Jimmy Albertson, he's one of the guys who does seem to make money, and he hustles like crazy to make it happen.

hvaughn88 wrote:

...start an energy drink company?

philG wrote:

Until you put a race on, you have no idea where the money goes, and the more folk come, the more they want , and expect...

Until you put a race on, you have no idea where the money goes, and the more folk come, the more they want , and expect , and that costs.

It sucks that guys cant make a living from prize money any more, but you cant pay out what doesnt come in.

I know back in the day Joel Smets came to ride a KWS race , and because it rained, the crowd was real thin, he waived jis prize money to the promotor didnt take a bath.. class act.

mx 219 wrote:

I say pay either the top 20 in each class (or half of the field if less than 40 riders attempt to race). Then raise pay...

I say pay either the top 20 in each class (or half of the field if less than 40 riders attempt to race). Then raise pay for the top 20 based on the difference, hopefully resulting in more guys trying harder out there. Or to get even more crazy just pay the top 10 to make guys try harder.

based on this pay from a post on vital (payout from 2008).

66,140 PURSE BREAKDOWN (purse money paid per class, per moto)
1 $1,525 21 $ 320
2. $1,075 22. $ 310
3. $ 900 23. $ 300
4. $ 705 24. $ 290
5. $ 645 25. $ 280
6. $ 615 26. $ 270
7. $ 570 27. $ 260
8. $ 555 28. $ 250
9. $ 545 29. $ 240
10. $ 520 30. $ 220
11. $ 495 31. $ 220
12. $ 445 32. $ 220
13. $ 415 33. $ 220
14. $ 405 34. $ 220
15. $ 390 35. $ 220
16. $ 380 36. $ 220
17. $ 370 37. $ 220
18. $ 360 38. $ 220
19. $ 350 39. $ 220
20. $ 330 40. $ 220

What about doing this payout per moto for the top 20:

450 (per moto)
1 3,000
2 2,000
3 1,700
4 1500
5 1,350
6 1200
7 1100
8 1000
9 950
10 900
11 850
12 800
13 750
14 700
15 650
16 600
17 575
18 550
19 525
20 500


250 (per moto)
1 2,500
2 1,800
3 1,500
4 1250
5 1,050
6 950
7 900
8 850
9 800
10 750
11 700
12 650
13 600
14 550
15 500
16 450
17 425
18 400
19 375
20 350


Total payout for the weekend: $77,100

Let's face it privateer's arent racing for the money anyway.

cdncombatmedic wrote:

I would hate to see the nationals go away because thats the grassroots right there. There is something to be said for being able to ride...

I would hate to see the nationals go away because thats the grassroots right there.

There is something to be said for being able to ride the tracks that the pros do. Really allows you to appriciate their skills on a motorcycle.

Supercross is more of show which caters to more of the casual fans of the sports.

The issue about the nationals is the fact you have limited viewing of the track, little to no seating, disgusting restrooms, and when you factor in the intense heat people are less likely to attend one.

I am very passionate about the sport and have been to Steel City, RedBud x 2, and Southwick x 2, but I prefer to watch them at home in the comfort of my living room. Whereas SX is the total opposite and have attended the Toronto SX pretty much every year.