So. What happened to bowers?

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hvaughn88 wrote:
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I actually kinda like that he turned down the lower salary (if that's the case). Riders are never going to...
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I actually kinda like that he turned down the lower salary (if that's the case). Riders are never going to get paid more if everyone keeps riding for little to no salary
Is he worth a higher salary? Barely mentioned except when he was being passed
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hvaughn88 wrote:
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I actually kinda like that he turned down the lower salary (if that's the case). Riders are never going to...
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I actually kinda like that he turned down the lower salary (if that's the case). Riders are never going to get paid more if everyone keeps riding for little to no salary
Exactly! That's why the rookie of the year in 250 SX last year is in college instead of racing!

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TheOriginalPancakee 1/9/2017 7:31am
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hvaughn88 wrote:
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I actually kinda like that he turned down the lower salary (if that's the case). Riders are never going to...
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I actually kinda like that he turned down the lower salary (if that's the case). Riders are never going to get paid more if everyone keeps riding for little to no salary
JBlain619 wrote:
Exactly! That's why the rookie of the year in 250 SX last year is in college instead of racing!
I believe you're talking about Alex Frye. He was offered a factory ride I was told and also some offerers from smaller teams but he wanted like 100k salary or something crazy like that and no team would pay him that..
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hvaughn88 wrote:
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I actually kinda like that he turned down the lower salary (if that's the case). Riders are never going to...
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I actually kinda like that he turned down the lower salary (if that's the case). Riders are never going to get paid more if everyone keeps riding for little to no salary
JBlain619 wrote:
Exactly! That's why the rookie of the year in 250 SX last year is in college instead of racing!
TheOriginalPancakee wrote:
I believe you're talking about Alex Frye. He was offered a factory ride I was told and also some offerers from smaller teams but he wanted...
I believe you're talking about Alex Frye. He was offered a factory ride I was told and also some offerers from smaller teams but he wanted like 100k salary or something crazy like that and no team would pay him that..
Yes it is Alex. He was offered rides but they were for 0 salary. Thus why agree with hvaughn88's post. Why ride for free??? How is he expected to live? Do you work for free? Alex is smart enough to know that he will benefit in life more by turning down a non-paying ride and going to school and earning a living that way.

It's unfortunate that there are a number of riders that will ride for free just to be on a team. This is part of the reason that the riders will never earn the amount of money they deserve.
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cable wrote:
190 lbs on 250f. His bike looked slow
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Ron Lechien on a 125 didn't go slow.
Mookie on a 250f didn't look slow.
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JBlain619 wrote:
Exactly! That's why the rookie of the year in 250 SX last year is in college instead of racing!
TheOriginalPancakee wrote:
I believe you're talking about Alex Frye. He was offered a factory ride I was told and also some offerers from smaller teams but he wanted...
I believe you're talking about Alex Frye. He was offered a factory ride I was told and also some offerers from smaller teams but he wanted like 100k salary or something crazy like that and no team would pay him that..
JBlain619 wrote:
Yes it is Alex. He was offered rides but they were for 0 salary. Thus why agree with hvaughn88's post. Why ride for free??? How is...
Yes it is Alex. He was offered rides but they were for 0 salary. Thus why agree with hvaughn88's post. Why ride for free??? How is he expected to live? Do you work for free? Alex is smart enough to know that he will benefit in life more by turning down a non-paying ride and going to school and earning a living that way.

It's unfortunate that there are a number of riders that will ride for free just to be on a team. This is part of the reason that the riders will never earn the amount of money they deserve.
Sad thing is, Alex did pretty good at his rookie year I thought. Good starts, calmed down and didnt make too many crazy mistakes.
Derek Harris 1/9/2017 7:53am
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hvaughn88 wrote:
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I actually kinda like that he turned down the lower salary (if that's the case). Riders are never going to...
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I actually kinda like that he turned down the lower salary (if that's the case). Riders are never going to get paid more if everyone keeps riding for little to no salary
JBlain619 wrote:
Exactly! That's why the rookie of the year in 250 SX last year is in college instead of racing!
TheOriginalPancakee wrote:
I believe you're talking about Alex Frye. He was offered a factory ride I was told and also some offerers from smaller teams but he wanted...
I believe you're talking about Alex Frye. He was offered a factory ride I was told and also some offerers from smaller teams but he wanted like 100k salary or something crazy like that and no team would pay him that..
Our fans apparently are more stupid than I thought.

If you think 100k salary is crazy or too much to ask to be the top 40 (better in his case) on this side of the pond in this world, then what pay isnt crazy?

After taxes, Training, life expenses, the cost the BECOME a pro, He couldnt afford his own home in california from that pay.

Our sport SHOULD pay 120k a year purse money to be last place guy in 450 and 40k 250 class - all just purse.
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ehr400 1/9/2017 7:53am
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I expected this from Tyler, after having to listen to his hype man ( his wife) on pulpmx I was like, yep they both believe he is worth alot more then teams are offering and he will end up on a 2nd tier team. So I would love to hear from them now, it looked like he had no fight in him.
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JBlain619 wrote:
Exactly! That's why the rookie of the year in 250 SX last year is in college instead of racing!
TheOriginalPancakee wrote:
I believe you're talking about Alex Frye. He was offered a factory ride I was told and also some offerers from smaller teams but he wanted...
I believe you're talking about Alex Frye. He was offered a factory ride I was told and also some offerers from smaller teams but he wanted like 100k salary or something crazy like that and no team would pay him that..
Derek Harris wrote:
Our fans apparently are more stupid than I thought. If you think 100k salary is crazy or too much to ask to be the top 40...
Our fans apparently are more stupid than I thought.

If you think 100k salary is crazy or too much to ask to be the top 40 (better in his case) on this side of the pond in this world, then what pay isnt crazy?

After taxes, Training, life expenses, the cost the BECOME a pro, He couldnt afford his own home in california from that pay.

Our sport SHOULD pay 120k a year purse money to be last place guy in 450 and 40k 250 class - all just purse.
No I was just saying that he's not racing because he wanted 100k and no team wanted to pay him that. I think he should've raced at least one more year because he killed it his rookie year. Pulled a 4th in Toronto
Derek Harris 1/9/2017 8:15am
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TheOriginalPancakee wrote:
I believe you're talking about Alex Frye. He was offered a factory ride I was told and also some offerers from smaller teams but he wanted...
I believe you're talking about Alex Frye. He was offered a factory ride I was told and also some offerers from smaller teams but he wanted like 100k salary or something crazy like that and no team would pay him that..
Derek Harris wrote:
Our fans apparently are more stupid than I thought. If you think 100k salary is crazy or too much to ask to be the top 40...
Our fans apparently are more stupid than I thought.

If you think 100k salary is crazy or too much to ask to be the top 40 (better in his case) on this side of the pond in this world, then what pay isnt crazy?

After taxes, Training, life expenses, the cost the BECOME a pro, He couldnt afford his own home in california from that pay.

Our sport SHOULD pay 120k a year purse money to be last place guy in 450 and 40k 250 class - all just purse.
TheOriginalPancakee wrote:
No I was just saying that he's not racing because he wanted 100k and no team wanted to pay him that. I think he should've raced...
No I was just saying that he's not racing because he wanted 100k and no team wanted to pay him that. I think he should've raced at least one more year because he killed it his rookie year. Pulled a 4th in Toronto
So riders should continue to feed a system that isnt worth it?

Until last place makes money worth chasing, I think half the guys out there shouldnt bother.

Our sport isnt healthy
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JBlain619 wrote:
Exactly! That's why the rookie of the year in 250 SX last year is in college instead of racing!
TheOriginalPancakee wrote:
I believe you're talking about Alex Frye. He was offered a factory ride I was told and also some offerers from smaller teams but he wanted...
I believe you're talking about Alex Frye. He was offered a factory ride I was told and also some offerers from smaller teams but he wanted like 100k salary or something crazy like that and no team would pay him that..
Derek Harris wrote:
Our fans apparently are more stupid than I thought. If you think 100k salary is crazy or too much to ask to be the top 40...
Our fans apparently are more stupid than I thought.

If you think 100k salary is crazy or too much to ask to be the top 40 (better in his case) on this side of the pond in this world, then what pay isnt crazy?

After taxes, Training, life expenses, the cost the BECOME a pro, He couldnt afford his own home in california from that pay.

Our sport SHOULD pay 120k a year purse money to be last place guy in 450 and 40k 250 class - all just purse.
120,000 divided by 17 sx's is $7000 per race.

I don't ever see them paying $7000 for last place even with a union
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kkawboy14 1/9/2017 8:24am
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Say they did pay $100,000 per year, for 30 races that's $3,300 per event
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For tits sake, you sum bitches need to chill out and realize things happen. Heres to hoping the bear proves you View watching, turd bucket, fat free latte drinking, pretend you know what the hell is going on, oops I am being a thirteen year old girl chatting about somebody else's life on the computer at work again bags of shite wrong. Get a grip you females
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I got torched for saying a few months back that professional athletes should forgo marriage (kids, etc.) until post-retirement (hell, the typical guy is out of sx by 30). Yeah, yeah, there are exceptions (Reed, Mc, etc.) who haven't been negatively impacted---but that is the exception.

If you are married (especially with kids), then you know it can 'impact' your performance at work---many times without forewarning.

I've got my asbestos hood on, so flame away.
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TheOriginalPancakee wrote:
I believe you're talking about Alex Frye. He was offered a factory ride I was told and also some offerers from smaller teams but he wanted...
I believe you're talking about Alex Frye. He was offered a factory ride I was told and also some offerers from smaller teams but he wanted like 100k salary or something crazy like that and no team would pay him that..
Derek Harris wrote:
Our fans apparently are more stupid than I thought. If you think 100k salary is crazy or too much to ask to be the top 40...
Our fans apparently are more stupid than I thought.

If you think 100k salary is crazy or too much to ask to be the top 40 (better in his case) on this side of the pond in this world, then what pay isnt crazy?

After taxes, Training, life expenses, the cost the BECOME a pro, He couldnt afford his own home in california from that pay.

Our sport SHOULD pay 120k a year purse money to be last place guy in 450 and 40k 250 class - all just purse.
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120,000 divided by 17 sx's is $7000 per race.

I don't ever see them paying $7000 for last place even with a union
And I dont see our sport ever progressing.

Freestyle riders get paid to show up, rumor has it 5k a weekend isnt out of line.
Monster truck drivers are paid to show up - by feld, to the tune of 4k on up a weekend win loose or break (feld owns a lot of the trucks now)

a practice squad nfl player makes no less than over 6500 a week.

A pga tour golfer in 130th overall place made 700k last year.

Mini tour golfers, outside of the pga entirely can earn over 100k

Getting a construction job as a laborer in our area pays around 40k a year on up. Yes its a real job and yes it sucks vs being a pro, but the 10 year pay off is better than 10 year outlook to being A 12-20th 250 class pro.

Id say our riders need to wise up. Union not needed.
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Derek Harris wrote:
Our fans apparently are more stupid than I thought. If you think 100k salary is crazy or too much to ask to be the top 40...
Our fans apparently are more stupid than I thought.

If you think 100k salary is crazy or too much to ask to be the top 40 (better in his case) on this side of the pond in this world, then what pay isnt crazy?

After taxes, Training, life expenses, the cost the BECOME a pro, He couldnt afford his own home in california from that pay.

Our sport SHOULD pay 120k a year purse money to be last place guy in 450 and 40k 250 class - all just purse.
kkawboy14 wrote:
120,000 divided by 17 sx's is $7000 per race.

I don't ever see them paying $7000 for last place even with a union
Derek Harris wrote:
And I dont see our sport ever progressing. Freestyle riders get paid to show up, rumor has it 5k a weekend isnt out of line. Monster...
And I dont see our sport ever progressing.

Freestyle riders get paid to show up, rumor has it 5k a weekend isnt out of line.
Monster truck drivers are paid to show up - by feld, to the tune of 4k on up a weekend win loose or break (feld owns a lot of the trucks now)

a practice squad nfl player makes no less than over 6500 a week.

A pga tour golfer in 130th overall place made 700k last year.

Mini tour golfers, outside of the pga entirely can earn over 100k

Getting a construction job as a laborer in our area pays around 40k a year on up. Yes its a real job and yes it sucks vs being a pro, but the 10 year pay off is better than 10 year outlook to being A 12-20th 250 class pro.

Id say our riders need to wise up. Union not needed.
I agree, I just don't ever see these guys coughing up that kind of cash, even if they can.
The only way they will do much better is if there are competing series or BIG tv deals, which tv deals are where most of the money comes from.

Baseball for example, who watches baseball? 28 guys in the stands for most of their events but crazy tv package.
Derek Harris 1/9/2017 9:14am
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Feld has the money.
monster cup payout is proof
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Derek Harris wrote:
Feld has the money.
monster cup payout is proof
If another series popped up, they would all of a sudden have lots of payouts
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Derek Harris wrote:
Feld has the money.
monster cup payout is proof
kkawboy14 wrote:
If another series popped up, they would all of a sudden have lots of payouts
Someone correct me if i'm wrong. But wasn't there a convo a while back that basically stated the contract feld has with all the arenas and stadiums makes it pretty difficult, if not impossible for a competing series to ever happen?
Derek Harris 1/9/2017 9:23am
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Derek Harris wrote:
Feld has the money.
monster cup payout is proof
kkawboy14 wrote:
If another series popped up, they would all of a sudden have lots of payouts
I was told good luck finding a place to run races indoors if you arent feld. My understanding is they are owned by the big cable companies, who apparently have large ownership to the stadiums. All uneducated hearsay but if our journalist did the job they should they would make an article about rider pay, the inner politics, and the challenges of starting a competing series.

Coombs is likely going to have to make sweeping changes if feld indeed takes their series bigger and global if he has a hope of gathering talent.


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My guess is he got more than 100k plus to race west coast only. Will be open to ride a fill in bike on east 450 and available for outdoor 450 ride .

He has a garenteed 100k plus salary if he would choose to go back to AX
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Mia wrote:
My guess is he got more than 100k plus to race west coast only. Will be open to ride a fill in bike on east 450...
My guess is he got more than 100k plus to race west coast only. Will be open to ride a fill in bike on east 450 and available for outdoor 450 ride .

He has a garenteed 100k plus salary if he would choose to go back to AX
Probably true. But lets speculate and say that he keeps finishing and riding like at A1(yes it's a bit unfair to do that after only one race) he wont get any 100k SX deals for 2018 no matter what team he would be on. Taking the 50k + bonuses ride with TLD would have maybe been the better option in the longer run?

Like i said, a bit unfair to assume/specualte these things now already. And he could probably always go back to AX.
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Derek Harris wrote:
Feld has the money.
monster cup payout is proof
Feld takes out an Insurance policy against thier 1million dollar purse, So if someone was to win all three the insurance co pays the million. Just dont ask me what their payment is for that insurance policy.
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Pretty sure that you're totally mistaken here. From what I remember, during the impromptu "negotiations" that Matthes had with Top Jimmy over a ride for Bowers...
Pretty sure that you're totally mistaken here. From what I remember, during the impromptu "negotiations" that Matthes had with Top Jimmy over a ride for Bowers, Steve said that "they" would take the ride for something like 40-50K plus bonuses for supercross only and Bowers and his wife both gawked at the number because they said it was way too low. Thereafter, Bowers said that he had already turned down a nearly identical offer for a ride from TLD because it was too little. For the sake of reference, the show number for the episode was 268.
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What am I totally mistaken on? They offered him a small salary?
You stated he turned down the factory ride for no salary, which wasn't true. The offer was around 50 grand plus bonuses, which is significantly more than "no salary".
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Derek Harris wrote:
Feld has the money.
monster cup payout is proof
Deek22 wrote:
Feld takes out an Insurance policy against thier 1million dollar purse, So if someone was to win all three the insurance co pays the million. Just...
Feld takes out an Insurance policy against thier 1million dollar purse, So if someone was to win all three the insurance co pays the million. Just dont ask me what their payment is for that insurance policy.
Probably $350,000, the odds of someone winning the million is pretty high.
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C_Class_Hero wrote:
Pretty sure that you're totally mistaken here. From what I remember, during the impromptu "negotiations" that Matthes had with Top Jimmy over a ride for Bowers...
Pretty sure that you're totally mistaken here. From what I remember, during the impromptu "negotiations" that Matthes had with Top Jimmy over a ride for Bowers, Steve said that "they" would take the ride for something like 40-50K plus bonuses for supercross only and Bowers and his wife both gawked at the number because they said it was way too low. Thereafter, Bowers said that he had already turned down a nearly identical offer for a ride from TLD because it was too little. For the sake of reference, the show number for the episode was 268.
mx836 wrote:
What am I totally mistaken on? They offered him a small salary?
C_Class_Hero wrote:
You stated he turned down the factory ride for no salary, which wasn't true. The offer was around 50 grand plus bonuses, which is significantly more...
You stated he turned down the factory ride for no salary, which wasn't true. The offer was around 50 grand plus bonuses, which is significantly more than "no salary".
Don't recall them talking about that on pulp. So how much is his contract with 5150 for? Can't be much more than $50k at all.
Derek Harris 1/9/2017 10:31am
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The purse is excellent for monster cup WITHOUT the million

1. $100,000
2. $35,000
3. $20,000
4. $15,000
5. $10,000
6. $9,000
7. $8,000
8. $7,000
9. $6,000
10. $5,000
11. $4,000
12. $3,100
13. $2,500
14. $2,350
15. $2,150
16. $2,000
17. $1,900
18. $1,800
19. $1,700
20. $1,600
21. $1,500
22. $1,400
23 thru 40. $500
Total Payout: $250,000


Change first to 50 grand, second to 30 third to stays 20, redistribute the remaining 55k out below that such that last gets 4k and we are getting closer to what is needed. I wouldn't pay 40-23 anything but entry back which also pads the purse likely allowing last to get 500 more.

Not what it needs to be - but what feld is willing to pay for a one off event already.


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