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Four strokes next!
Smokers are coming back and he's worried about having to ride a 500.
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but no way will "team" or OEM people allow it. not a chance in hell. NPG would see an increase in popularity and it would draw people no question...........but hell it's only money.
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I miss the sound of a two-stroke but I don't think anyone but casual riders or old school guys would rather ride one...
One of these more popular mid pack guys should go against the grain and race 2 strokes.
Sponsoring is about exposure. You cant say a guy or guys on a 2 stroke team wouldnt get plenty of camera time, and the fan base is there.
Everyones gonna look at the screaming 2 stroke when it goes by.
Stewart never needed a 4 stroke to beat the 250Fs, and the only one he didnt beat all the time on a 250 2 stroke was RC, but he did on occasion.
Nothing changed when he got on a 4 stroke.
They have way too much money invested in the tractors now and they aren't going to showcase how something older tech wise is "just as good"....not going to happen.
I asked if a decission had been reached and apparently it hasn't.
But letting the oem's decide, well thats a joke. It's like buying a chevy, and going to the ford dealer for an opinion. so typical.
Maybe he's a better 2 stroke rider? I miss 2 strokes at SLC SX
But I do like everyones opinion on the CC for CC racing regardless of HOW that power is made and the hp differences etc. So, I also love fast cars....my favorite being the vette. So....get two vettes same year model.....build both motors to 383ci......but add a supercharger to one. That should be fair right? Their both the same cc.....who cares how they make their power......right?
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It is a WIDE subject to discuss. CC's vs CC's, traction-ability, expensive maintenance, expensive rebuilds, ease of riding, etc.
The thing that worries me the most is that a local dad can't go buy a used 'dependable' 125 2-stroke anymore to get his kid in to racing at an affordable price.
The only option now is to buy a used 250 4-stroke (which is like a hand grenade with the pin out) or plunk down 6K+ for a new one.
Just a few years ago, a guy could at least 'try out' racing for a few thousand bucks.
Now it is a major investment.
I personally feel that it is going to become an elitist sport where if you don't make good money, you aren't going to be able to race on any level.
Being an old guy who raced in Levis and lace up work boots back in the 70's, I find this a sad development.
Some people like the power delivery, light weight and nimble handling of the two stroke! I personally will be getting a Service Honda CR250 in another year or so. When I get ready to sell the CR250 I'm riding now!
I will own both, but if I have a kid that want's to ride he will get a smoker. Not a way on earth will I work valves on two bikes.
And do you really think someone racing a 250 smoker would increase attendance??? I dont think so.
With all this "bad economy, team budget cuts" hype around the pro series why not allow it.
Its polishing brass on the titanic anyway, only 2 oems have them left.
People trying to: "fix the nationals & make them more exciting, but wont allow this?"
The MXA link I posted in this thread is awesome. Ultimate call out.
Anyone that thinks they are such an advantage should try to do 30+2 on each bike.
I've got friends that range from 1st year beginners to guys that have made nationals; NOT ONE of these people will argue. The 250f is easier to ride faster & longer.
450 Class = 450cc 4stroke/ 250cc 2 stroke
250 class = 250cc 4stroke/125cc 2 stroke
Though there is some talk about changing for 2009.
Affirmative action for 4 strokes needs to stop, it was a stupid idea when it started and is stupid today…….thanks AMA.
I am very close to this subject since my son just made the move off the 85's.
I bought a 06 YZ125 because it is a better transition machine in my opinion and it cost less than half of any 06 4 stroke I could find.
Maybe money isn't an issue for some of you folks but it is for me and the 2 stroke is by far more affordable.
I can afford it, but I am done with racing, maintaining and repairing 250F's for my son. The money I have in this bike is a joke. My kid will run a bike 20+ hours a month.
We also have an 06 YZ 125, hell it's so affordable I have fun modifying it.
Just bought him a 09 YZ 250 to race local in the 450 class and run it in the 250 class at AMA events.
When he gets a little stronger (15, 125lbs) I will get the 450.
He struggled with the YZ250F in the corners(not the best cornering machine) when he came off the 85, so I bought the 125 and what a difference in the corners. Then got back on the 250F and did not have the corner issues
Also Larry Brooks seen us with the 125 at a local REM race running with the 250F's, said it was wise to go from the 85 to the 125 first, especially for a skinny light kid.
My son is not the next RC. This sport keeps my son away from the BS and has built a better bond between us that is awesome, not to mention the discipline, exercise etc, etc.
Also, more money goes into his college fund instead of 250f rebuilds.
ANOTHER COMPARISON............
Take a 327CI vette motor and run it against a 327CI Diesel(I know , its an example). Both in stock form and lets race them on a drag strip and on a road course. HMMMMMMMMM which one will win. SHould be a fair straight up race since they are both CC for CC racing RIGHT???????
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