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RG1 1/8/2017 10:59am
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I think the new Honda is great, which obviously helps, but Roczen is just on fire right now. He would've won last night on most of the bikes out there
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Midwest_Mafia 1/8/2017 11:06am
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The bikes handling and suspension are on another level, high speed, low speed, little fast chop, whoops, landings, under braking, under accel, Haven't seen a bike WORK like that in a while, even more so than his championship suzuki.

Take that advantage along with his natural talent, line choice, riding style, focus, response & fitness you have an unstoppable combo.

This is about to get ugly.

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Midwest_Mafia 1/8/2017 11:07am
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RG1 wrote:
I think the new Honda is great, which obviously helps, but Roczen is just on fire right now. He would've won last night on most of...
I think the new Honda is great, which obviously helps, but Roczen is just on fire right now. He would've won last night on most of the bikes out there
We've seen kenny when the bikes not right, and he's the first to tell us. You know that. He's learned how to tune a bike over these past 3 years.
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kiwifan 1/8/2017 11:13am
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Midwest_Mafia wrote:
The bikes handling and suspension are on another level, high speed, low speed, little fast chop, whoops, landings, under braking, under accel, Haven't seen a bike...
The bikes handling and suspension are on another level, high speed, low speed, little fast chop, whoops, landings, under braking, under accel, Haven't seen a bike WORK like that in a while, even more so than his championship suzuki.

Take that advantage along with his natural talent, line choice, riding style, focus, response & fitness you have an unstoppable combo.

This is about to get ugly.

yes, and credit to both Roczen and HRC for getting a brand new bike into what looks like (it may struggle on other tracks for all we know) a damn good race machine, looks like MEC was no fluke either.

Lets see how the rest of the season goes... Smile

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Rowlands 1/8/2017 11:14am
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Be interesting to see if Ken ever blames bike set up at Honda. If he's not happy I'm sure he will let us know like he did with Suzuki.

Man I'm pumped I hope he can keep this form all season and hold the Dunge off
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mxmasta 1/8/2017 11:23am
1/8/2017 11:23am Edited Date/Time 1/8/2017 11:24am
It's not the bike that wins races!

Not the bike

Maybe someone can embed the video, I am on the phone.
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mx836 1/8/2017 11:24am
1/8/2017 11:24am Edited Date/Time 1/8/2017 2:50pm
Some of you guys are exactly who Honda is looking for to come buy up all their '17 450 inventory. Roczen would have won on anything IMO. He dominated all summer on it. He KNOWS he is the fastest guy.
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Moto520 1/8/2017 11:25am
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joe412 wrote:
Yamaha's looked like they had the suspension of a triaxle and the cornering of a school bus.....Chad Reed and Cooper Webb looked super uncomfortable
I totally agree. Watching the race over again I am seeing the same thing.
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bd 1/8/2017 11:54am
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Kenny is the best rider on the planet on the best ride. If you question, HRC factory bikes, I question your knowledge on the past 1980s, 1990s, 2000s.
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TeamGreen 1/8/2017 11:54am
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DCL36 wrote:
it's more than just the platform, the 17 CRF 450 is an excellent base to work with and isn't going to hinder him that's for sure...
it's more than just the platform, the 17 CRF 450 is an excellent base to work with and isn't going to hinder him that's for sure . Ken has an incredible team behind him together they found a setup he's very comfortable with early on, this has allowed to him have incredible confidence, and when a rider gets that kind of confidence this is what you get .
He's stated that himself...

Nice.

Someone's paying attention.
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Midwest_Mafia 1/8/2017 1:06pm
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joe412 wrote:
Yamaha's looked like they had the suspension of a triaxle and the cornering of a school bus.....Chad Reed and Cooper Webb looked super uncomfortable
Moto520 wrote:
I totally agree. Watching the race over again I am seeing the same thing.
That's what too much power does to a chassis already behind the curve. That bike should come on in the outdoors series though.

The fastest riders keep their momentum, a mellow engine package and dialed suspension is the way to go vs aggressive set ups, same with riding styles and intelligent line choices. that's what we're seeing in kenny... I'm noticing the faster a guy goes how much it pays off to have a more fluid, plush focus in set up. Creates a certain type of stillness, that translates into traction and control vs the other, slower guys aggressive set ups...

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kiwifan 1/8/2017 1:08pm
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DCL36 wrote:
it's more than just the platform, the 17 CRF 450 is an excellent base to work with and isn't going to hinder him that's for sure...
it's more than just the platform, the 17 CRF 450 is an excellent base to work with and isn't going to hinder him that's for sure . Ken has an incredible team behind him together they found a setup he's very comfortable with early on, this has allowed to him have incredible confidence, and when a rider gets that kind of confidence this is what you get .
TeamGreen wrote:
He's stated that himself...

Nice.

Someone's paying attention.
Manny, I dont think a few people believe what Roczen says (reading the comments here)
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kevin204 1/8/2017 1:13pm
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Midwest_Mafia wrote:
It's actually more the bike than any of you clowns will ever know. Watch how plush and poised his suspension is in compression and rebound. High...
It's actually more the bike than any of you clowns will ever know.

Watch how plush and poised his suspension is in compression and rebound. High and low speed.

Fucking Dialed.

That lets him ride smoothly with less effort, allowing him to push the pace more comfortably and go harder.

That's how he won outdoors along with line choices.
Seriously. This 90% rider shit needs to stop. This is 2017, things have changed, setup is more and more important.
UpTiTe 1/8/2017 1:17pm
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MX-Files wrote:
I don't know too much but just as a spectator in the stands, it seemed the Kenny's Honda was on another planet performance wise. I know...
I don't know too much but just as a spectator in the stands, it seemed the Kenny's Honda was on another planet performance wise. I know the guy is in shape but man that bike was smooth everywhere..."like butta". Going into turns, exiting turns, whoops smooth. HRC efforts look like "theyrrrrre baaaaack".
It doesnt hurt having such beutiful style riding the bike
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Motodave15 1/8/2017 1:30pm
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Midwest_Mafia wrote:
The bikes handling and suspension are on another level, high speed, low speed, little fast chop, whoops, landings, under braking, under accel, Haven't seen a bike...
The bikes handling and suspension are on another level, high speed, low speed, little fast chop, whoops, landings, under braking, under accel, Haven't seen a bike WORK like that in a while, even more so than his championship suzuki.

Take that advantage along with his natural talent, line choice, riding style, focus, response & fitness you have an unstoppable combo.

This is about to get ugly.

This absolutely this...Roczen pulled a mcgrath and was way way way fucking smooth.. his bike did nothing unpredictable.. BTW, i doubt he would look as good as he did tonight on any other brand...

Honda, brought in so many tech's in the honda pits it was crazy. and his suspension look better in the chop than dungeys and musquins...same with seely's bike too.. but seely kinda dropped an anchor lol
Underground 1/8/2017 1:44pm
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Yeah that bike is as sorted as a crazy ladies handbag. A real pile of shit.
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TeamGreen 1/8/2017 1:56pm
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DCL36 wrote:
it's more than just the platform, the 17 CRF 450 is an excellent base to work with and isn't going to hinder him that's for sure...
it's more than just the platform, the 17 CRF 450 is an excellent base to work with and isn't going to hinder him that's for sure . Ken has an incredible team behind him together they found a setup he's very comfortable with early on, this has allowed to him have incredible confidence, and when a rider gets that kind of confidence this is what you get .
TeamGreen wrote:
He's stated that himself...

Nice.

Someone's paying attention.
kiwifan wrote:
Manny, I dont think a few people believe what Roczen says (reading the comments here)
I don't know where some folks come up with this stuff.

I'm simply...well...impressed with the ENTIRE EFFORT put forth by Honda:

New Bike...COMPLETLY NEW.
New Approach...Cole was on a really neat "Proto-type" REALLY Early (haven't seen Red do that in YEARS!)
New Rider...HUGE financial commitment.
New "Guru"...they hired Smiley Short to help sort the bike(s) out...and work with the riders (that was pure GENIUS!)
New "Attitude" that's apparent in EVERYONE from Dan B all they way thru The Mistery Tech/Rider - Jason Thomas aka "JT".
New Smiles, too.

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moto317 1/8/2017 2:36pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
I don't know where some folks come up with this stuff. I'm simply...well...impressed with the ENTIRE EFFORT put forth by Honda: New Bike...COMPLETLY NEW. New Approach...Cole...
I don't know where some folks come up with this stuff.

I'm simply...well...impressed with the ENTIRE EFFORT put forth by Honda:

New Bike...COMPLETLY NEW.
New Approach...Cole was on a really neat "Proto-type" REALLY Early (haven't seen Red do that in YEARS!)
New Rider...HUGE financial commitment.
New "Guru"...they hired Smiley Short to help sort the bike(s) out...and work with the riders (that was pure GENIUS!)
New "Attitude" that's apparent in EVERYONE from Dan B all they way thru The Mistery Tech/Rider - Jason Thomas aka "JT".
New Smiles, too.

I always wondered if that was hondas plan to bring short on or if Kenny asked for that. him and short are good friends.

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TeamGreen 1/8/2017 2:45pm
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Oh, here's those New Smiles I was talking about...



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Jarid332 1/8/2017 2:53pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
I don't know where some folks come up with this stuff. I'm simply...well...impressed with the ENTIRE EFFORT put forth by Honda: New Bike...COMPLETLY NEW. New Approach...Cole...
I don't know where some folks come up with this stuff.

I'm simply...well...impressed with the ENTIRE EFFORT put forth by Honda:

New Bike...COMPLETLY NEW.
New Approach...Cole was on a really neat "Proto-type" REALLY Early (haven't seen Red do that in YEARS!)
New Rider...HUGE financial commitment.
New "Guru"...they hired Smiley Short to help sort the bike(s) out...and work with the riders (that was pure GENIUS!)
New "Attitude" that's apparent in EVERYONE from Dan B all they way thru The Mistery Tech/Rider - Jason Thomas aka "JT".
New Smiles, too.

Plus Kenny has the coolest teammate!
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kiwifan 1/8/2017 3:10pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
I don't know where some folks come up with this stuff. I'm simply...well...impressed with the ENTIRE EFFORT put forth by Honda: New Bike...COMPLETLY NEW. New Approach...Cole...
I don't know where some folks come up with this stuff.

I'm simply...well...impressed with the ENTIRE EFFORT put forth by Honda:

New Bike...COMPLETLY NEW.
New Approach...Cole was on a really neat "Proto-type" REALLY Early (haven't seen Red do that in YEARS!)
New Rider...HUGE financial commitment.
New "Guru"...they hired Smiley Short to help sort the bike(s) out...and work with the riders (that was pure GENIUS!)
New "Attitude" that's apparent in EVERYONE from Dan B all they way thru The Mistery Tech/Rider - Jason Thomas aka "JT".
New Smiles, too.

yup, you got it all in one there Manny, spot on

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