Tear off ban in Australia

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12/11/2016 7:29pm Edited Date/Time 12/11/2016 7:30pm
Pretty ridiculous. I heard they are banning rubber tires too.. They are just as bad.

I guarantee you, if digging deep, one crazy person that dislikes loud motorcycles started the motion and it caught on. As if there aren't more important things they could be doing??

By the way, did you see Kingston Indiana is being sued by the ACLU for a Christmas tree because ONE person thinks it's offensive? It's the world we live in guys, I hope it changes.
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12/11/2016 7:34pm
Already banned in all the events over here in WA that I used to race.
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12/11/2016 7:36pm
ando wrote:
Already banned in all the events over here in WA that I used to race.
WA = Waga Waga?
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12/11/2016 7:48pm
To those saying just go around and pick them up, what do you do with the big pile of worthless plastic?
And yes there are other things worse but this is an easy fix.. People are weird! Oh I won't be able to see perfectly for a little while so fuck the environment give me some plastic I can just throw on the ground

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ando wrote:
Already banned in all the events over here in WA that I used to race.
TeamGreen wrote:
WA = Waga Waga?
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12/11/2016 7:54pm
Skidaddle wrote:
Give a homeless guy a 6 pack of Energy drinks and a shirt to pick them all up. Hell give the guy free hot dogs all...
Give a homeless guy a 6 pack of Energy drinks and a shirt to pick them all up. Hell give the guy free hot dogs all day.

For 10 bucks a guy has a full belly, a new shirt and he gets to watch the races.

Its a win every way.
I like your thinking!! Its perfect. The energy drink people would jump all over this like stink on shit! They would donate the drinks, and the t-shirts. I say lets do 10 Homeless guys, why mess around? So just picture it, the 10 homeless guys wearing the RB/ME t shirts doing an enthusiastic job cleaning up the tear-offs, helping the environment, getting them off wellfare, giving them a sense of purpose, everybody wins! FFS I love it!!
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12/11/2016 9:08pm
stantdm wrote:
Cows eat lots of stuff. I am surprised the tearoff caused a problem. They eat fence wire pieces that get broken. They sell magnets to grab...
Cows eat lots of stuff. I am surprised the tearoff caused a problem. They eat fence wire pieces that get broken. They sell magnets to grab the wire.

Anyway with a ban of tearoffs what do you go to? The tape pulls? Nothing?
Barrett57 wrote:
It could have been the farmer scamming the motocross club but who knows, if they don't use them it one less thing that can piss off...
It could have been the farmer scamming the motocross club but who knows, if they don't use them it one less thing that can piss off the landowner.

On a side note, I tipped over at this track, went under the track ropes and landed in the biggest pile of green, fly infested, crusty cow shit you've ever seen in your life, like the whole herd had decided to do a massive crap in the same place. I stank for the rest of the day as I only have one set of kit.
There's truth to this, we had a WORCS race in Zaca Station once and tearoffs weren't allowed because of the cows that graze in the track (since we were using offroad sections as well)
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12/12/2016 3:50am Edited Date/Time 12/12/2016 4:17am
I've raced Millville for 20 years, average 12 races a year and 600 riders. Sadly now, there is no wild left because of tear offs. The grass is brown, birds are dead, and the deer have genetic mutations. THIS is what some people would have you believe..

I've walked around tracks, in reality the dozer works the tears offs into the ground just like a landfill and it's not a problem. There isn't plastic blowing around like Mad Max post nuclear war. The world goes on and Mother Earth is just fine with it. Here in the U.S. congress will probably now waste a billion dollars to find out it has no impact. I'm all for a clean environment, but this was never on my radar. I feel that motocross racers are very responsible. When we made a track here at home, we were the ones cleaning up beer cans and plastic bottles that kids throw around.
My guess is that track workers pick up 90% of the tears offs that blow off the track after a weekend race.



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It will be interesting to see how long the ban stays in place
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well you're not really analysing far enough what happens to garbage? it goes to landfill and becomes a problem.. You realise you can't just recycle all plastic I'd assume a tear off would be too contaminated with all the mud and shit all over them.. I could be wrong though
Not all cows get eaten could be dairy could be used as breeders for veal.. But the ones that are killed and eaten are bought so if one dies the farmer doesn't get paid
It is miniscule just use roll offs
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12/12/2016 5:55am
Have you ever seen whats left over after one of these protests??
http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/trash-left-littered-on-side-of-railroad-tracks-after-protests/285716209

The refinery I work at is the plume of steam you see in the background. They were given 8 hours notice that they were to be arrested. They also trashed two campgrounds nearby as well.

Me personally: I was a roll off guy my entire life, hell, I still have a goggle bag of the latest greatest 1993 smith offerings courtesy of R.T.
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12/12/2016 5:57am
If plastic in a landfill is a problem, then we need to stop making plastic all together. Right? Recall on the 600 million garbage bags that were sold last month please. Ironic that plastic tears are put in a plastic garbage bag isn't it?

He's right. Motocross racing is so minuscule in the grand scheme of things that it's ridiculous. By the way, it's snowing and cold out here in Minnesota. I thought that was a thing of the past, according to Environmentalists??
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12/12/2016 6:15am
jemcee wrote:
well you're not really analysing far enough what happens to garbage? it goes to landfill and becomes a problem.. You realise you can't just recycle all...
well you're not really analysing far enough what happens to garbage? it goes to landfill and becomes a problem.. You realise you can't just recycle all plastic I'd assume a tear off would be too contaminated with all the mud and shit all over them.. I could be wrong though
Not all cows get eaten could be dairy could be used as breeders for veal.. But the ones that are killed and eaten are bought so if one dies the farmer doesn't get paid
It is miniscule just use roll offs
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12/12/2016 6:16am
goinrcn44h wrote:
Have you ever seen whats left over after one of these protests?? [url=http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/trash-left-littered-on-side-of-railroad-tracks-after-protests/285716209]http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/trash-left-littered-on-side-of-railroad-tracks-after-protests/285716209[/url] The refinery I work at is the plume of steam you see in...
Have you ever seen whats left over after one of these protests??
http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/trash-left-littered-on-side-of-railroad-tracks-after-protests/285716209

The refinery I work at is the plume of steam you see in the background. They were given 8 hours notice that they were to be arrested. They also trashed two campgrounds nearby as well.

Me personally: I was a roll off guy my entire life, hell, I still have a goggle bag of the latest greatest 1993 smith offerings courtesy of R.T.
Goinrcn, that's so juicy I'm gonna tweet it!
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12/12/2016 7:44am
All I am saying is that its not right to pull a tear off and be done with it. It has to be accounted for somehow. The tear offs will blow off the track into the environment where it doesnt belong and having it plowed into the track by a dozer isnt any better. They need to be picked up and disposed of or recycled properly. Yes they can be recycled dirty.

Who pays for it and who does it plays a major part of this and its eveident that it hasnt been getting done.

Most tracks barely get by as it is, so this isnt as easy as saying they have to do it unless you are willing to A. Help or B. Pay a small fee.
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12/12/2016 7:57am
Skidaddle wrote:
Must be a stupid cow. I could put tear off in my pets food and they would eat all around it and lick it clean. But...
Must be a stupid cow. I could put tear off in my pets food and they would eat all around it and lick it clean.

But they wouldnt eat it. SMH
Wanna know how I know you never raised cattle?
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12/12/2016 9:25am
Skidaddle wrote:
Give a homeless guy a 6 pack of Energy drinks and a shirt to pick them all up. Hell give the guy free hot dogs all...
Give a homeless guy a 6 pack of Energy drinks and a shirt to pick them all up. Hell give the guy free hot dogs all day.

For 10 bucks a guy has a full belly, a new shirt and he gets to watch the races.

Its a win every way.
ctbale wrote:
I like your thinking!! Its perfect. The energy drink people would jump all over this like stink on shit! They would donate the drinks, and the...
I like your thinking!! Its perfect. The energy drink people would jump all over this like stink on shit! They would donate the drinks, and the t-shirts. I say lets do 10 Homeless guys, why mess around? So just picture it, the 10 homeless guys wearing the RB/ME t shirts doing an enthusiastic job cleaning up the tear-offs, helping the environment, getting them off wellfare, giving them a sense of purpose, everybody wins! FFS I love it!!
These may be the two dumbest posts in the history of Vital(OK, maybe that's a stretch)...$10 bucks is gonna "get them off welfare".... this is "trickle down economics" in full effect...AKA: piss on my leg an tell me it's raining... how about people take some responsibility for their actions, and either pay a lil' extra to fund a clean-up, or, heaven forbid, pitch in after to help clean up the mess they made?!! While it has admittedly been years since I raced on an MX track, when I did I'd say 80-90% of the riders managed to get by without tear-offs......the horror, the horror....
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12/12/2016 9:47am
RickA wrote:
I've raced Millville for 20 years, average 12 races a year and 600 riders. Sadly now, there is no wild left because of tear offs. The...
I've raced Millville for 20 years, average 12 races a year and 600 riders. Sadly now, there is no wild left because of tear offs. The grass is brown, birds are dead, and the deer have genetic mutations. THIS is what some people would have you believe..

I've walked around tracks, in reality the dozer works the tears offs into the ground just like a landfill and it's not a problem. There isn't plastic blowing around like Mad Max post nuclear war. The world goes on and Mother Earth is just fine with it. Here in the U.S. congress will probably now waste a billion dollars to find out it has no impact. I'm all for a clean environment, but this was never on my radar. I feel that motocross racers are very responsible. When we made a track here at home, we were the ones cleaning up beer cans and plastic bottles that kids throw around.
My guess is that track workers pick up 90% of the tears offs that blow off the track after a weekend race.



STFU NOOB!!

Sorry Rick! Had to do it. Glad to see you here.

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12/12/2016 9:48am
I just paid a lot of money to have a landscaper put a nice plastic furrow around all my trees at my shop, half buried. Now I'm thinking it doesn't belong there, I should probably pick it up.
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12/12/2016 10:22am
goinrcn44h wrote:
Have you ever seen whats left over after one of these protests?? [url=http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/trash-left-littered-on-side-of-railroad-tracks-after-protests/285716209]http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/trash-left-littered-on-side-of-railroad-tracks-after-protests/285716209[/url] The refinery I work at is the plume of steam you see in...
Have you ever seen whats left over after one of these protests??
http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/trash-left-littered-on-side-of-railroad-tracks-after-protests/285716209

The refinery I work at is the plume of steam you see in the background. They were given 8 hours notice that they were to be arrested. They also trashed two campgrounds nearby as well.

Me personally: I was a roll off guy my entire life, hell, I still have a goggle bag of the latest greatest 1993 smith offerings courtesy of R.T.
RickA wrote:
Goinrcn, that's so juicy I'm gonna tweet it!
old news really... google-fu "trash left behind from protests" and you will have many articles to choose from about this one and many others.
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12/12/2016 12:19pm
stantdm wrote:
Cows eat lots of stuff. I am surprised the tearoff caused a problem. They eat fence wire pieces that get broken. They sell magnets to grab...
Cows eat lots of stuff. I am surprised the tearoff caused a problem. They eat fence wire pieces that get broken. They sell magnets to grab the wire.

Anyway with a ban of tearoffs what do you go to? The tape pulls? Nothing?
Barrett57 wrote:
It could have been the farmer scamming the motocross club but who knows, if they don't use them it one less thing that can piss off...
It could have been the farmer scamming the motocross club but who knows, if they don't use them it one less thing that can piss off the landowner.

On a side note, I tipped over at this track, went under the track ropes and landed in the biggest pile of green, fly infested, crusty cow shit you've ever seen in your life, like the whole herd had decided to do a massive crap in the same place. I stank for the rest of the day as I only have one set of kit.
That's why you need a "gear" bag full of "gear." Those "kits" just don't cut it... Huh Evil Tongue
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Just because there are bigger environmental problems in the world than tear offs, doesn't mean we should ignore the ones we can fix. It is the definition of littering 3 times a lap, all because some riders aren't willing to switch over to the already available alternative.

Our sport throws up enough red flags to the greenies as it is, this is something we can do with little to no impact on the experience of racing and it shows that we are actually forward thinking and willing to work to improve environmental issues.

Why anybody would be against it is beyond me.
12/12/2016 12:58pm
Yes it's necessary. Look at a normal race day. Let's say there's 5 classes with 30 people on the gate who all ride 2 motos and use like 10 tear offs per moto. That makes 5 * 30 * 2 * 10 = 3000 tear offs on 1 race day. That's a lot. And that's just like average. Maybe they use even more.
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12/12/2016 1:20pm
Aaryn234 wrote:
It will be interesting to see how long the ban stays in place
I'll be running one with the flap cut off and calling it a lense protection each race. Lense protectors aren't banned...
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12/12/2016 1:39pm
We are obviously knee deep in tear offs at the track. There are so many that when the wind blows, it looks like it's snowing tear offs. Let's ban them, because it's clearly a big problem, don't just pick them up.
Next...
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12/12/2016 1:46pm
RickA wrote:
We are obviously knee deep in tear offs at the track. There are so many that when the wind blows, it looks like it's snowing tear...
We are obviously knee deep in tear offs at the track. There are so many that when the wind blows, it looks like it's snowing tear offs. Let's ban them, because it's clearly a big problem, don't just pick them up.
Next...
And who is picking them up exactly?

This ban is in Australia where we struggle to get flag marshals and officials, nobody's volunteering to pick them up, and clubs aren't making any money so they're not paying anybody to do it either. So it will come down to the same 5 club volunteers that walk the track in the dark after every race meeting picking up rubbish because people don't want to move to the most logical viable alternative.

The only argument against this ban i'm hearing on here is basically "I like tearoffs, don't take my tearoffs".
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12/12/2016 1:54pm
RickA wrote:
I've raced Millville for 20 years, average 12 races a year and 600 riders. Sadly now, there is no wild left because of tear offs. The...
I've raced Millville for 20 years, average 12 races a year and 600 riders. Sadly now, there is no wild left because of tear offs. The grass is brown, birds are dead, and the deer have genetic mutations. THIS is what some people would have you believe..

I've walked around tracks, in reality the dozer works the tears offs into the ground just like a landfill and it's not a problem. There isn't plastic blowing around like Mad Max post nuclear war. The world goes on and Mother Earth is just fine with it. Here in the U.S. congress will probably now waste a billion dollars to find out it has no impact. I'm all for a clean environment, but this was never on my radar. I feel that motocross racers are very responsible. When we made a track here at home, we were the ones cleaning up beer cans and plastic bottles that kids throw around.
My guess is that track workers pick up 90% of the tears offs that blow off the track after a weekend race.



I am gunna have to back Amatuzio up, I first raced Millville back in 76' (Was called Zumbro then, have always hated the Millville name) We used tear offs back then, much thicker then todays tear offs, cows had a rough time getting them down with out a glass of milk.

I bet some of my 40 year old tear offs are still in the track, I think one of mine I negligently left behind after getting roosted on by Tommy Benolkin made Chad go sideways over the chad-a pault, makes me sad.
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12/12/2016 1:57pm Edited Date/Time 12/12/2016 1:59pm
Great point, and that's where it starts. It always does.. Liberals don't know when to stop. It will move on to the next thing.. Exactly why the AMA exists, to stop ridiculous legislation.

Do you remember the lead ban is the U.S. that was repealed? Apparently the government thought kids were chewing on engine cases, which in my eyes means you me kid has a bigger issue than just lead in his diet. So motorcycles couldn't be sold, or outboard motors, or ATVs.. Not even clutch levers

I've spent my whole life watching things get taken away. It comes down to "what next?" Lately it's been 2 lane streets where I live. Replaced with a single lane and dumb ass 12 foot wide BIKE LANE that nobody uses, as we have a foot of snow on the ground 6 months out of the year. I just tear my hair out. Sorry for being persistent on this, it's good in theory but won't end well as they assault on the next thing to change, like maybe using non-gender specific bathrooms. Oh brother I need to stay off here LOL
12/12/2016 2:12pm
Damn I am glad I dont live in Australia,France, Belgium or New Zealand or any of those country's that must be damn near communist now if they go so far as suppress the lowly motocross riders and tracks.
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12/12/2016 2:16pm
lostboy819 wrote:
Damn I am glad I dont live in Australia,France, Belgium or New Zealand or any of those country's that must be damn near communist now if...
Damn I am glad I dont live in Australia,France, Belgium or New Zealand or any of those country's that must be damn near communist now if they go so far as suppress the lowly motocross riders and tracks.
If the biggest problem you can find with a country is its stance on plastic tear offs then I think that country is doing something right.

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