Is JA21 okay...?

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9/25/2016 5:13pm
edgo897 wrote:
Why have a finish line jump anyway? It set up a dangerous situation.
Well, because it always looks cooler on tv when the winner jumps in the air with fists up, right?
Of course, Unadilla used to have the finish on flat ground, and I believe Mt. Morris used to have one in the middle of a turn after crossing over the start line. I always thought those wils were cool by the way, I didn't need to finish line antics.
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TXDirt wrote:
Decoster said the lapper didn't know what he was doing. Perhaps that not exactly an impartial opinion, however it's good enough for me. The lapper made...
Decoster said the lapper didn't know what he was doing. Perhaps that not exactly an impartial opinion, however it's good enough for me. The lapper made a mistake. Hell, the very next Moto Herlings rolled the jump when he won. You don't really expect a back marker to send it and jump on you at the finish when race is over.
When Herlings crossed the line to victory, he was rolling considerably faster than Anderson, who was almost coming to a stop. Not the same at all.
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TXDirt wrote:
Decoster said the lapper didn't know what he was doing. Perhaps that not exactly an impartial opinion, however it's good enough for me. The lapper made...
Decoster said the lapper didn't know what he was doing. Perhaps that not exactly an impartial opinion, however it's good enough for me. The lapper made a mistake. Hell, the very next Moto Herlings rolled the jump when he won. You don't really expect a back marker to send it and jump on you at the finish when race is over.
The lapper made no mistake. Anderson was never in his sight until they collided. There was no yellow flag to alert the lapper of a slowed rider on the landing of the jump (which can't be seen from where he was taking off).

It sucks it happened, and I truly am left with a pit in my stomach for JA and all of the US, but you can't say the lapped rider was at fault or even did anything wrong.
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Just wanted to pop in and say i just watched the highlights, and that was fucking horrific. Feel better Anderson.

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9/25/2016 6:02pm
I landed on a kid over a blind jump,almost killed him. The guilt i felt was pretty bad.

The Japanese guy is probably pretty gutted himself I'd imagine.

Everyone lived and learned, something I've done all my life and still do.
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El Hombre is one tough SOB.

Imagine winning the 100 meter Freestyle in the Olympics... You climb out of the pool pumping your fist in victory... Then get swatted in the head with a 32 oz. Louisville Slugger® as your reward.

His ride will be remembered for a LONG time. Epic. He done good! Heal up, Jason Anderson!
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9/25/2016 7:39pm
KMC440 wrote:
The rider had their head looking at the rut the whole way. Never looking up till they were on the face. Just improper race craft. I've...
The rider had their head looking at the rut the whole way. Never looking up till they were on the face. Just improper race craft. I've been landed on 3 times in my race days. All I would say to anyone is there's plenty of time to hoorah 50 yards after the flag.
JQ wrote:
And you base this on what?
KMC440 wrote:
... ummmm the video ...
... ummmm the video ...
Please share it!
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9/25/2016 7:46pm
Beeby wrote:
I honestly do not know how people attempt to lay blame anywhere. Anderson won probably the biggest race of his life, as if he thought about...
I honestly do not know how people attempt to lay blame anywhere. Anderson won probably the biggest race of his life, as if he thought about someone landing on him. The back marker that landed on him was hardly irresponsible, he is in his own race and who knows if he could really see what was going on.

It's a racing incident.
If fault is to be found, it is on the lapper. Don't agree he was in his own race, the race over.
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I can't help but feel the lapper was really at fault. I know it looks like a fast corner, but I just think the guy would have seen him sticking up from the middle of the jump. The jump itself doesn't look like a make or break type of jump where if you don't clear it, you are screwed. He could have let up i think. Just my opinion. Legendary ride by Ando though. Glad he is ok.
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hats off to The Dude, proud as hell to see an american step up who had a rough rough season and was way out of motocross rhythm from being out all season step up and answer the bell.

Maybe not to the sponsors, or the factories but this race means more to me than any race any year.

i'm pretty sure that's the consensus opinion among moto fans around the world too.

Fuck the MEC, the world cup of sx or whatever and the american gp rounds tacked onto the end of the mxgp season- i want to see the american riders show the world who holds the crown.

cheers to cooper webb and amart as well for doing all the extra work it takes- it means a lot to american fans win lose or draw.
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mx292 wrote:
a[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/09/25/153488/s1200_Anderson.jpg[/img] I can't help but feel the lapper was really at fault. I know it looks like a fast corner, but I just think the guy...
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I can't help but feel the lapper was really at fault. I know it looks like a fast corner, but I just think the guy would have seen him sticking up from the middle of the jump. The jump itself doesn't look like a make or break type of jump where if you don't clear it, you are screwed. He could have let up i think. Just my opinion. Legendary ride by Ando though. Glad he is ok.
Perspective. Just like your hand isn't actually bigger than the moon. I don't think you can base it off that.

Is there any GoPro footage of the track? That'd be better.
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Perspective. Just like your hand isn't actually bigger than the moon. I don't think you can base it off that. Is there any GoPro footage of...
Perspective. Just like your hand isn't actually bigger than the moon. I don't think you can base it off that.

Is there any GoPro footage of the track? That'd be better.
I definitely agree with you. Hard to tell. Only person who knows is the guy who landed on him.
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I have known of plenty "slowing down" incidents even road race. Guys slow down drastically others still full on the gas. Hard lesson to learn about proper slow down technique ! Like taking on ramp onto high way got to be going to same speed so you blend in. Coming to a dead stop on a finish line double jump is pretty much a rookie mistake ! Its not the Jap riders fault you cannot brake while in the air . He was simply racing on a race track as he was supposed to do.

All racing have proper slow down techniques which is like common sense not taught not a rule but most know how to do so properly. If you do not do it correctly accidents happen. An accident did happened = not done right hard lesson that is all. Pity Jason looked like the strongest member of team USA very good ride ! Team USA slowing slipping down the rankings every year. Europeans and MXGP getting stronger every year is the statistical truth.
9/25/2016 9:51pm
VRR7 wrote:
I have known of plenty "slowing down" incidents even road race. Guys slow down drastically others still full on the gas. Hard lesson to learn about...
I have known of plenty "slowing down" incidents even road race. Guys slow down drastically others still full on the gas. Hard lesson to learn about proper slow down technique ! Like taking on ramp onto high way got to be going to same speed so you blend in. Coming to a dead stop on a finish line double jump is pretty much a rookie mistake ! Its not the Jap riders fault you cannot brake while in the air . He was simply racing on a race track as he was supposed to do.

All racing have proper slow down techniques which is like common sense not taught not a rule but most know how to do so properly. If you do not do it correctly accidents happen. An accident did happened = not done right hard lesson that is all. Pity Jason looked like the strongest member of team USA very good ride ! Team USA slowing slipping down the rankings every year. Europeans and MXGP getting stronger every year is the statistical truth.
Next year when it's Dungey, Jermey Martin, and Tomac we'll see who's "slowing down". On that note congrats to France for pulling it off last minute. They rode good.
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9/25/2016 10:06pm
Beeby wrote:
I honestly do not know how people attempt to lay blame anywhere. Anderson won probably the biggest race of his life, as if he thought about...
I honestly do not know how people attempt to lay blame anywhere. Anderson won probably the biggest race of his life, as if he thought about someone landing on him. The back marker that landed on him was hardly irresponsible, he is in his own race and who knows if he could really see what was going on.

It's a racing incident.
dkg wrote:
If fault is to be found, it is on the lapper. Don't agree he was in his own race, the race over.
The race isn't over until the checkered flag so yes he was still in his own race. He raced through the flag. Some of you guys I just don't get. Plus think about it, if he was a lapper he never got a white flag, so maybe he glanced and thought he was seeing a white flag. I can tell you, in all my years racing I have never thought about almost stopping on a live race track on the backside of a jump to celebrate.... I feel for Jason and feel it was an unfortunate accident, but the lapper should get zero blame for that one.
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9/25/2016 10:33pm
croom mx wrote:
If JA didn't get take out by the lapper, the USA would have won the MXON.
Fiar wrote:
You dont know, he had to be top 5 then...
croom mx wrote:
Watching Jason Anderson hold off Jeffery Herlings showed me how much talent Jason Anderson has wow! , he would probably have finished 1, 2 or 3...
Watching Jason Anderson hold off Jeffery Herlings showed me how much talent Jason Anderson has wow! , he would probably have finished 1, 2 or 3 in the last moto.
He wouldn't hold him off if herlings didn't made that mistake...en herlings and cairoli where in the last moto faster then cairoli en febrve in moto1 en herlings and anderson in moto2...
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VRR7 wrote:
I have known of plenty "slowing down" incidents even road race. Guys slow down drastically others still full on the gas. Hard lesson to learn about...
I have known of plenty "slowing down" incidents even road race. Guys slow down drastically others still full on the gas. Hard lesson to learn about proper slow down technique ! Like taking on ramp onto high way got to be going to same speed so you blend in. Coming to a dead stop on a finish line double jump is pretty much a rookie mistake ! Its not the Jap riders fault you cannot brake while in the air . He was simply racing on a race track as he was supposed to do.

All racing have proper slow down techniques which is like common sense not taught not a rule but most know how to do so properly. If you do not do it correctly accidents happen. An accident did happened = not done right hard lesson that is all. Pity Jason looked like the strongest member of team USA very good ride ! Team USA slowing slipping down the rankings every year. Europeans and MXGP getting stronger every year is the statistical truth.
iudi2006 wrote:
Next year when it's Dungey, Jermey Martin, and Tomac we'll see who's "slowing down". On that note congrats to France for pulling it off last minute...
Next year when it's Dungey, Jermey Martin, and Tomac we'll see who's "slowing down". On that note congrats to France for pulling it off last minute. They rode good.
I'll keep Ando over dunge. Rd hasn't exactly set the mxon on fire the last couple of times
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Is there a rider on the jump ahead mx292?
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I don't think anyone should be a blamed.

It's the final lap, riders are tired, the mechanic pit is right before the finish line. I don't know, maybe the lapper got the signal 3 second before, it's one more lap to go, since they didn't know, Anderson already lapped him.

I think the pit shouldn't be so close to the finish line.
9/26/2016 1:24am
Anderson rolled the finish line mini double jump in the middle of the lane on the racing line, that my friend is down right stupid.
The following riders, yes two, jumped blind over the double, luckily only one landed on top of Anderson.
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9/26/2016 1:38am Edited Date/Time 9/26/2016 1:59am
Very unfortunate accident. But the blaming of the Japanese rider is incredibly stupid.

1.Anderson is going pretty fast until he just slams the the brakes on the jump takeoff.

2. The Japanese rider was probably riding at a normal pace(similar or even slower than Andersons pace before Anderson decided to brake). He expected that no one would be rolling the jump when he jumped.

3. Want to roll the finish line? You need to slow down several meters before the actual takeoff not at the takeoff. Especially since the middle part of the jump was actually lower than both the takeoff and landing. Very hard for any other rider to see Anderson there.

4. The Japanese rider wasn't a "goon" or anything like that. I think it was Notsuka that jumped on Anderson and his best lap was a 2 minute flat. Same laptime as Jorge Prado. The guy is a good rider, he would probably qualify for a US national without any problems. So i don't think you can pull the "the dude was a total goon at this level of racing" card like i have read and heard a couple of times already.


But the most important thing is that Anderson is fine. It was a really scary situation.
9/26/2016 1:46am
VRR7 wrote:
I have known of plenty "slowing down" incidents even road race. Guys slow down drastically others still full on the gas. Hard lesson to learn about...
I have known of plenty "slowing down" incidents even road race. Guys slow down drastically others still full on the gas. Hard lesson to learn about proper slow down technique ! Like taking on ramp onto high way got to be going to same speed so you blend in. Coming to a dead stop on a finish line double jump is pretty much a rookie mistake ! Its not the Jap riders fault you cannot brake while in the air . He was simply racing on a race track as he was supposed to do.

All racing have proper slow down techniques which is like common sense not taught not a rule but most know how to do so properly. If you do not do it correctly accidents happen. An accident did happened = not done right hard lesson that is all. Pity Jason looked like the strongest member of team USA very good ride ! Team USA slowing slipping down the rankings every year. Europeans and MXGP getting stronger every year is the statistical truth.
iudi2006 wrote:
Next year when it's Dungey, Jermey Martin, and Tomac we'll see who's "slowing down". On that note congrats to France for pulling it off last minute...
Next year when it's Dungey, Jermey Martin, and Tomac we'll see who's "slowing down". On that note congrats to France for pulling it off last minute. They rode good.
jk367 wrote:
I'll keep Ando over dunge. Rd hasn't exactly set the mxon on fire the last couple of times
Agreed,I hope DeCoster keeps Anderson and in fact all three of these guys if they're fit and ready instead of others who seem to want it when it suits,it'll be interesting to hear from all those saying about riders being too tired and need a break erc when the race comes to the US.

Getell soon JA,at least he has a smile on his face,it could've been a whole lot worse.
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9/26/2016 1:55am Edited Date/Time 9/26/2016 2:10am
Motofinne wrote:
Very unfortunate accident. But the blaming of the Japanese rider is incredibly stupid. 1.Anderson is going pretty fast until he just slams the the brakes on...
Very unfortunate accident. But the blaming of the Japanese rider is incredibly stupid.

1.Anderson is going pretty fast until he just slams the the brakes on the jump takeoff.

2. The Japanese rider was probably riding at a normal pace(similar or even slower than Andersons pace before Anderson decided to brake). He expected that no one would be rolling the jump when he jumped.

3. Want to roll the finish line? You need to slow down several meters before the actual takeoff not at the takeoff. Especially since the middle part of the jump was actually lower than both the takeoff and landing. Very hard for any other rider to see Anderson there.

4. The Japanese rider wasn't a "goon" or anything like that. I think it was Notsuka that jumped on Anderson and his best lap was a 2 minute flat. Same laptime as Jorge Prado. The guy is a good rider, he would probably qualify for a US national without any problems. So i don't think you can pull the "the dude was a total goon at this level of racing" card like i have read and heard a couple of times already.


But the most important thing is that Anderson is fine. It was a really scary situation.
I agree.
I've met Notsuka a couple of times at a practice track. We don't live too far apart.
He's a good kid. He's no goon, two more rounds left of the Japan nationals and he's the 250f points leader
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mx292 wrote:
a[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/09/25/153488/s1200_Anderson.jpg[/img] I can't help but feel the lapper was really at fault. I know it looks like a fast corner, but I just think the guy...
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I can't help but feel the lapper was really at fault. I know it looks like a fast corner, but I just think the guy would have seen him sticking up from the middle of the jump. The jump itself doesn't look like a make or break type of jump where if you don't clear it, you are screwed. He could have let up i think. Just my opinion. Legendary ride by Ando though. Glad he is ok.
IMO lapper let Anderson by and then tried to clear the jump as soon as possible to not get in a way of battle going on behind him. He even might not seen Anderson slow down so much as he was checking who`s behind Anderson. Lappers spend more time looking back, none of them want to get in a way of battle that might decide Chamberland`s faith.
9/26/2016 2:30am
Motofinne wrote:
Very unfortunate accident. But the blaming of the Japanese rider is incredibly stupid. 1.Anderson is going pretty fast until he just slams the the brakes on...
Very unfortunate accident. But the blaming of the Japanese rider is incredibly stupid.

1.Anderson is going pretty fast until he just slams the the brakes on the jump takeoff.

2. The Japanese rider was probably riding at a normal pace(similar or even slower than Andersons pace before Anderson decided to brake). He expected that no one would be rolling the jump when he jumped.

3. Want to roll the finish line? You need to slow down several meters before the actual takeoff not at the takeoff. Especially since the middle part of the jump was actually lower than both the takeoff and landing. Very hard for any other rider to see Anderson there.

4. The Japanese rider wasn't a "goon" or anything like that. I think it was Notsuka that jumped on Anderson and his best lap was a 2 minute flat. Same laptime as Jorge Prado. The guy is a good rider, he would probably qualify for a US national without any problems. So i don't think you can pull the "the dude was a total goon at this level of racing" card like i have read and heard a couple of times already.


But the most important thing is that Anderson is fine. It was a really scary situation.
Point 3.

I would be quite confident that the racing rules would say no rider shall ride in an unsafe manner or cause injury to ther riders.

Anderson did both, possibly they should disqualify him, take his points away and create a definite rule that the race is not complete until the last rider crosses the line.
The could call it rule "JA21"

Yes, i feel sorry for his injuries, i am just debating the real situation.
9/26/2016 3:12am
TXDirt wrote:
Decoster said the lapper didn't know what he was doing. Perhaps that not exactly an impartial opinion, however it's good enough for me. The lapper made...
Decoster said the lapper didn't know what he was doing. Perhaps that not exactly an impartial opinion, however it's good enough for me. The lapper made a mistake. Hell, the very next Moto Herlings rolled the jump when he won. You don't really expect a back marker to send it and jump on you at the finish when race is over.
Herlings jumped it next Moto with a one hander,its a blind left hander so at speed your committed really in the Japanese riders defense,pretty sure he didn't see him and didn't mean it be it just socks, a racing incident though imo
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Agreed the jumper is not at fault.

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