Pulp show... Sitting/Standing

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You guys listen to the most recent one?

They were talking about sitting or standing, Kenny vs K-Dub etc...

People always talk about how much KW sat, but does anyone else remember when he was brand new on the scene, standing on that YZ125 a lot? Seems it changed when he got to the Honda fourstroke, no?
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About to the end of it now. On the 250 smoker I stand much more then I do when I ride 250f or the 450.

The 4 bangers for me are so much quicker, i fell much better slowing late and setting close to the tank and wait to put the fuel back. On the smoker I seem to slow early and carry the momentum thru which on the thumper there is enough power to just turn the wrist.

KDub is one of if not the smoothest riders in my mind. He was, is and always will be the man!
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8/26/2016 12:04am
I ride easier standing more but it's so freaking hard.... my balance aint that great even at my speed haha....

Am I right on KW tho? I feel like I can picture him standing through turns all the time on that YZ. I'm going on a youtube mission...
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I didn't hear the pulp mx show, but standing has to be the better of the 2.

Watching Unadilla exemplified this, Roczen/Musquin looked best through the long rutted sections as opposed to Nicolletti's sat down dangly feet technique which looked sketchy and visibly slower.

Another fine example was the Stewart/Everts battle at the 2006 Matterly MXDN, Everts was the king of the feet on the pegs style and used it to beat Stewart, who sat down too much for the nature of the track. I can picture the outside pass Everts put on Stewart now, up on the pegs railing a lot rut while looking smooth as butter!

Herlings also stands up, a lot. And we all know how fast he is.

Windham definitely sat down more as his career went on, id imagine the bikes were something to do with. But he made it work for him and had one of the best styles around!
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8/26/2016 2:27am
Nobody sat down more than Mike Hartwig

The Shop

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I think sitting down and pinning it is maybe more of an American style, especially with the great tracks with perfect traction. When you watch GP's, they all tend to stand allot more. When i watch Dungey at the Des Nations it looks like he's sitting all the time, yet you watch him racing AMA and against those guys he looks like he's maybe standing more than most.

Like JT said, certain things work for certain riders and certain tracks. That's whats so good about watching top level MX!
8/26/2016 4:01am
Fourstrokes force you to sit.
You gotta be in shape.
Problem is everyone's a lance.
Tights and road bikes.
Sitting on a bicycle is the worst thing you can do for mx/sx cross training.
On my cr125 my dad would freak out if I sat! One summer my dad removed my seat almost every practice!
I ride 24" bmx / 40-60 miles a day.
It keeps my spine straighter with no sitting!
40 miles of bmx a non- racer usually couldn't do , so don't go killing yourself!
Go try 10-20miles on a bmx for staters!
I just got in from my 3 hour morning ride!
Where I only hang on with my hands on a bmx , thus nothing for my legs to squeeze,
I never get arm pump from training like this!
I just rode my bmx 54miles in 2:45! That's almost 3 hours of standing and riding no sitting! After breakfast I'll hit the gym and then it's time to Moto! Due to standing and cycling I find it uncomfortable to sit down on my mx bike!

Standing on the pegs , unhooks you from the bike! It lets the bike bounce & dance around beneath you , without bucking you!

Seats are for seat bouncing and mid corner traction

Brake late
Mid corner - sit late
On the gas - and rise out of the saddle as you exit the turn
Get into attack mode - clear your mind
Look far ahead and ride what ever comes up!


#1 tip my dad ever gave me

"stand & ride whatever comes up"
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8/26/2016 4:04am Edited Date/Time 8/26/2016 4:07am
I must still be drunk from last night, cause reading that made my brain hurt icespikes.

I thought the talk on pulp was good. I never really payed attention ton to his riding style before
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Crush wrote:
I ride easier standing more but it's so freaking hard.... my balance aint that great even at my speed haha.... Am I right on KW tho...
I ride easier standing more but it's so freaking hard.... my balance aint that great even at my speed haha....

Am I right on KW tho? I feel like I can picture him standing through turns all the time on that YZ. I'm going on a youtube mission...
I remember racing Stefan Merriman and that dude NEVER sat down and I mean never.. I remember battling him one day at Connondale and he was standing up going through 180's and while sliding the rear squaring turns haha I asked him later how he could do it and he reckons he'd get too squirelly when he sat down haha nuts
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Icespikes wrote:
Fourstrokes force you to sit. You gotta be in shape. Problem is everyone's a lance. Tights and road bikes. Sitting on a bicycle is the worst...
Fourstrokes force you to sit.
You gotta be in shape.
Problem is everyone's a lance.
Tights and road bikes.
Sitting on a bicycle is the worst thing you can do for mx/sx cross training.
On my cr125 my dad would freak out if I sat! One summer my dad removed my seat almost every practice!
I ride 24" bmx / 40-60 miles a day.
It keeps my spine straighter with no sitting!
40 miles of bmx a non- racer usually couldn't do , so don't go killing yourself!
Go try 10-20miles on a bmx for staters!
I just got in from my 3 hour morning ride!
Where I only hang on with my hands on a bmx , thus nothing for my legs to squeeze,
I never get arm pump from training like this!
I just rode my bmx 54miles in 2:45! That's almost 3 hours of standing and riding no sitting! After breakfast I'll hit the gym and then it's time to Moto! Due to standing and cycling I find it uncomfortable to sit down on my mx bike!

Standing on the pegs , unhooks you from the bike! It lets the bike bounce & dance around beneath you , without bucking you!

Seats are for seat bouncing and mid corner traction

Brake late
Mid corner - sit late
On the gas - and rise out of the saddle as you exit the turn
Get into attack mode - clear your mind
Look far ahead and ride what ever comes up!


#1 tip my dad ever gave me

"stand & ride whatever comes up"
Bullshit you ride a BMX bike 54 miles in 2:45. That is averaging 19.64 MPH for almost 3 hours. Not even possible for the most elite athletes in the word on a single speed BMX. That would be hard even on a road bike on flat ground.


I stand a ton, always have. It is so much easier when it is rutty and beat up. Harescrambles I think I stand for the entire 2 hours...
8/26/2016 5:17am
Josh lichtle was always super fast as an amatuer and the kid never stood up. He was always sitting on the rear fender. He never scrubbed either. Was just blistering fast.

And then there's other guys that stand a lot. I guess it's all how you can make the bike go faster than the rest.
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Icespikes wrote:
Fourstrokes force you to sit. You gotta be in shape. Problem is everyone's a lance. Tights and road bikes. Sitting on a bicycle is the worst...
Fourstrokes force you to sit.
You gotta be in shape.
Problem is everyone's a lance.
Tights and road bikes.
Sitting on a bicycle is the worst thing you can do for mx/sx cross training.
On my cr125 my dad would freak out if I sat! One summer my dad removed my seat almost every practice!
I ride 24" bmx / 40-60 miles a day.
It keeps my spine straighter with no sitting!
40 miles of bmx a non- racer usually couldn't do , so don't go killing yourself!
Go try 10-20miles on a bmx for staters!
I just got in from my 3 hour morning ride!
Where I only hang on with my hands on a bmx , thus nothing for my legs to squeeze,
I never get arm pump from training like this!
I just rode my bmx 54miles in 2:45! That's almost 3 hours of standing and riding no sitting! After breakfast I'll hit the gym and then it's time to Moto! Due to standing and cycling I find it uncomfortable to sit down on my mx bike!

Standing on the pegs , unhooks you from the bike! It lets the bike bounce & dance around beneath you , without bucking you!

Seats are for seat bouncing and mid corner traction

Brake late
Mid corner - sit late
On the gas - and rise out of the saddle as you exit the turn
Get into attack mode - clear your mind
Look far ahead and ride what ever comes up!


#1 tip my dad ever gave me

"stand & ride whatever comes up"
Ha, yeah I want some of what you are smoking riding your BMX bike 50 miles in 2.75 hours, over 18mph!
8/26/2016 5:24am
RussB wrote:
I didn't hear the pulp mx show, but standing has to be the better of the 2. Watching Unadilla exemplified this, Roczen/Musquin looked best through the...
I didn't hear the pulp mx show, but standing has to be the better of the 2.

Watching Unadilla exemplified this, Roczen/Musquin looked best through the long rutted sections as opposed to Nicolletti's sat down dangly feet technique which looked sketchy and visibly slower.

Another fine example was the Stewart/Everts battle at the 2006 Matterly MXDN, Everts was the king of the feet on the pegs style and used it to beat Stewart, who sat down too much for the nature of the track. I can picture the outside pass Everts put on Stewart now, up on the pegs railing a lot rut while looking smooth as butter!

Herlings also stands up, a lot. And we all know how fast he is.

Windham definitely sat down more as his career went on, id imagine the bikes were something to do with. But he made it work for him and had one of the best styles around!
I agree with standing being better but you missed completely on your synopsis of the 2006 MXDN. Stewart let Everts by in that third moto as the U.S.A. was so far ahead the only thing he needed to do was not crash. Stewart put his pride aside and let Everts have that win. He was the faster man that day. This comes from someone who has not been a fan of Stewart since the 259 days.
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8/26/2016 5:24am
Icespikes wrote:
Fourstrokes force you to sit. You gotta be in shape. Problem is everyone's a lance. Tights and road bikes. Sitting on a bicycle is the worst...
Fourstrokes force you to sit.
You gotta be in shape.
Problem is everyone's a lance.
Tights and road bikes.
Sitting on a bicycle is the worst thing you can do for mx/sx cross training.
On my cr125 my dad would freak out if I sat! One summer my dad removed my seat almost every practice!
I ride 24" bmx / 40-60 miles a day.
It keeps my spine straighter with no sitting!
40 miles of bmx a non- racer usually couldn't do , so don't go killing yourself!
Go try 10-20miles on a bmx for staters!
I just got in from my 3 hour morning ride!
Where I only hang on with my hands on a bmx , thus nothing for my legs to squeeze,
I never get arm pump from training like this!
I just rode my bmx 54miles in 2:45! That's almost 3 hours of standing and riding no sitting! After breakfast I'll hit the gym and then it's time to Moto! Due to standing and cycling I find it uncomfortable to sit down on my mx bike!

Standing on the pegs , unhooks you from the bike! It lets the bike bounce & dance around beneath you , without bucking you!

Seats are for seat bouncing and mid corner traction

Brake late
Mid corner - sit late
On the gas - and rise out of the saddle as you exit the turn
Get into attack mode - clear your mind
Look far ahead and ride what ever comes up!


#1 tip my dad ever gave me

"stand & ride whatever comes up"
Bullshit
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8/26/2016 5:33am
I agree with standing being better but you missed completely on your synopsis of the 2006 MXDN. Stewart let Everts by in that third moto as...
I agree with standing being better but you missed completely on your synopsis of the 2006 MXDN. Stewart let Everts by in that third moto as the U.S.A. was so far ahead the only thing he needed to do was not crash. Stewart put his pride aside and let Everts have that win. He was the faster man that day. This comes from someone who has not been a fan of Stewart since the 259 days.
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8/26/2016 5:53am
Icespikes wrote:
Fourstrokes force you to sit. You gotta be in shape. Problem is everyone's a lance. Tights and road bikes. Sitting on a bicycle is the worst...
Fourstrokes force you to sit.
You gotta be in shape.
Problem is everyone's a lance.
Tights and road bikes.
Sitting on a bicycle is the worst thing you can do for mx/sx cross training.
On my cr125 my dad would freak out if I sat! One summer my dad removed my seat almost every practice!
I ride 24" bmx / 40-60 miles a day.
It keeps my spine straighter with no sitting!
40 miles of bmx a non- racer usually couldn't do , so don't go killing yourself!
Go try 10-20miles on a bmx for staters!
I just got in from my 3 hour morning ride!
Where I only hang on with my hands on a bmx , thus nothing for my legs to squeeze,
I never get arm pump from training like this!
I just rode my bmx 54miles in 2:45! That's almost 3 hours of standing and riding no sitting! After breakfast I'll hit the gym and then it's time to Moto! Due to standing and cycling I find it uncomfortable to sit down on my mx bike!

Standing on the pegs , unhooks you from the bike! It lets the bike bounce & dance around beneath you , without bucking you!

Seats are for seat bouncing and mid corner traction

Brake late
Mid corner - sit late
On the gas - and rise out of the saddle as you exit the turn
Get into attack mode - clear your mind
Look far ahead and ride what ever comes up!


#1 tip my dad ever gave me

"stand & ride whatever comes up"
Yeah. I want call bullshit also.
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8/26/2016 5:57am
I definitely stand more, it took years for me to get in the habit of locking onto the bike with my legs when I stand, its taken alot of abuse off my arms. My dad used to threaten to take the seat off my bike when I first started riding haha...I think mountain biking has influenced how much I stand as well. Often if I am trail riding I find myself standing the entire time. I feel way more confident that I'll able to react to the track or trail when I'm standing.
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8/26/2016 6:32am
Simple, either get a prostate massage or stand err where like a bad ass, S.Everts
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8/26/2016 6:43am
Icespikes wrote:
Fourstrokes force you to sit. You gotta be in shape. Problem is everyone's a lance. Tights and road bikes. Sitting on a bicycle is the worst...
Fourstrokes force you to sit.
You gotta be in shape.
Problem is everyone's a lance.
Tights and road bikes.
Sitting on a bicycle is the worst thing you can do for mx/sx cross training.
On my cr125 my dad would freak out if I sat! One summer my dad removed my seat almost every practice!
I ride 24" bmx / 40-60 miles a day.
It keeps my spine straighter with no sitting!
40 miles of bmx a non- racer usually couldn't do , so don't go killing yourself!
Go try 10-20miles on a bmx for staters!
I just got in from my 3 hour morning ride!
Where I only hang on with my hands on a bmx , thus nothing for my legs to squeeze,
I never get arm pump from training like this!
I just rode my bmx 54miles in 2:45! That's almost 3 hours of standing and riding no sitting! After breakfast I'll hit the gym and then it's time to Moto! Due to standing and cycling I find it uncomfortable to sit down on my mx bike!

Standing on the pegs , unhooks you from the bike! It lets the bike bounce & dance around beneath you , without bucking you!

Seats are for seat bouncing and mid corner traction

Brake late
Mid corner - sit late
On the gas - and rise out of the saddle as you exit the turn
Get into attack mode - clear your mind
Look far ahead and ride what ever comes up!


#1 tip my dad ever gave me

"stand & ride whatever comes up"
This is stupid, I ride a tricycle 75 miles before work every day, now that's a real leg and stability workout!
8/26/2016 6:43am
Crush wrote:
I ride easier standing more but it's so freaking hard.... my balance aint that great even at my speed haha.... Am I right on KW tho...
I ride easier standing more but it's so freaking hard.... my balance aint that great even at my speed haha....

Am I right on KW tho? I feel like I can picture him standing through turns all the time on that YZ. I'm going on a youtube mission...
I always felt his style was pretty similar but I feel like after the femur his style evolved to the sitting position a little more, and he was only getting older. I'm 6'5 and the going from sitting to standing thing does suck. I love watching those taller guys ride because I think their style reflects more on the handling of a bike then a short guy just hanging off the sides of it. DV hit the nail on the head on pulp about how when your standing the front end is weighted so much different than a normal sized guy. I feel for AC and his growth spurt. Although he's on another planet then I am with a dirt bike, physics are the same. I'm sure his learning curve was tough.
8/26/2016 7:09am
I'm not a giant at 6 feet but I'm taller than the ideal height. I stand a lot but I sit whenever I can to give my legs a rest. I use bumps, roots, rocks and drop offs whenever possible to help stand me up and save energy in my legs.
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8/26/2016 7:25am
Icespikes wrote:
Fourstrokes force you to sit. You gotta be in shape. Problem is everyone's a lance. Tights and road bikes. Sitting on a bicycle is the worst...
Fourstrokes force you to sit.
You gotta be in shape.
Problem is everyone's a lance.
Tights and road bikes.
Sitting on a bicycle is the worst thing you can do for mx/sx cross training.
On my cr125 my dad would freak out if I sat! One summer my dad removed my seat almost every practice!
I ride 24" bmx / 40-60 miles a day.
It keeps my spine straighter with no sitting!
40 miles of bmx a non- racer usually couldn't do , so don't go killing yourself!
Go try 10-20miles on a bmx for staters!
I just got in from my 3 hour morning ride!
Where I only hang on with my hands on a bmx , thus nothing for my legs to squeeze,
I never get arm pump from training like this!
I just rode my bmx 54miles in 2:45! That's almost 3 hours of standing and riding no sitting! After breakfast I'll hit the gym and then it's time to Moto! Due to standing and cycling I find it uncomfortable to sit down on my mx bike!

Standing on the pegs , unhooks you from the bike! It lets the bike bounce & dance around beneath you , without bucking you!

Seats are for seat bouncing and mid corner traction

Brake late
Mid corner - sit late
On the gas - and rise out of the saddle as you exit the turn
Get into attack mode - clear your mind
Look far ahead and ride what ever comes up!


#1 tip my dad ever gave me

"stand & ride whatever comes up"
Even if you are telling the truth - that is pretty much the dumbest thing I have ever read.

Mind-numbingly stupid
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8/26/2016 7:31am
Lmao dumbgeon here we come
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I agree with standing being better but you missed completely on your synopsis of the 2006 MXDN. Stewart let Everts by in that third moto as...
I agree with standing being better but you missed completely on your synopsis of the 2006 MXDN. Stewart let Everts by in that third moto as the U.S.A. was so far ahead the only thing he needed to do was not crash. Stewart put his pride aside and let Everts have that win. He was the faster man that day. This comes from someone who has not been a fan of Stewart since the 259 days.
Hahahaha, still in denial 10 years later.
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Icespikes wrote:
Fourstrokes force you to sit. You gotta be in shape. Problem is everyone's a lance. Tights and road bikes. Sitting on a bicycle is the worst...
Fourstrokes force you to sit.
You gotta be in shape.
Problem is everyone's a lance.
Tights and road bikes.
Sitting on a bicycle is the worst thing you can do for mx/sx cross training.
On my cr125 my dad would freak out if I sat! One summer my dad removed my seat almost every practice!
I ride 24" bmx / 40-60 miles a day.
It keeps my spine straighter with no sitting!
40 miles of bmx a non- racer usually couldn't do , so don't go killing yourself!
Go try 10-20miles on a bmx for staters!
I just got in from my 3 hour morning ride!
Where I only hang on with my hands on a bmx , thus nothing for my legs to squeeze,
I never get arm pump from training like this!
I just rode my bmx 54miles in 2:45! That's almost 3 hours of standing and riding no sitting! After breakfast I'll hit the gym and then it's time to Moto! Due to standing and cycling I find it uncomfortable to sit down on my mx bike!

Standing on the pegs , unhooks you from the bike! It lets the bike bounce & dance around beneath you , without bucking you!

Seats are for seat bouncing and mid corner traction

Brake late
Mid corner - sit late
On the gas - and rise out of the saddle as you exit the turn
Get into attack mode - clear your mind
Look far ahead and ride what ever comes up!


#1 tip my dad ever gave me

"stand & ride whatever comes up"
I'll take "things that never happened" for 100, Alex...
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8/26/2016 8:22am
Icespikes wrote:
Fourstrokes force you to sit. You gotta be in shape. Problem is everyone's a lance. Tights and road bikes. Sitting on a bicycle is the worst...
Fourstrokes force you to sit.
You gotta be in shape.
Problem is everyone's a lance.
Tights and road bikes.
Sitting on a bicycle is the worst thing you can do for mx/sx cross training.
On my cr125 my dad would freak out if I sat! One summer my dad removed my seat almost every practice!
I ride 24" bmx / 40-60 miles a day.
It keeps my spine straighter with no sitting!
40 miles of bmx a non- racer usually couldn't do , so don't go killing yourself!
Go try 10-20miles on a bmx for staters!
I just got in from my 3 hour morning ride!
Where I only hang on with my hands on a bmx , thus nothing for my legs to squeeze,
I never get arm pump from training like this!
I just rode my bmx 54miles in 2:45! That's almost 3 hours of standing and riding no sitting! After breakfast I'll hit the gym and then it's time to Moto! Due to standing and cycling I find it uncomfortable to sit down on my mx bike!

Standing on the pegs , unhooks you from the bike! It lets the bike bounce & dance around beneath you , without bucking you!

Seats are for seat bouncing and mid corner traction

Brake late
Mid corner - sit late
On the gas - and rise out of the saddle as you exit the turn
Get into attack mode - clear your mind
Look far ahead and ride what ever comes up!


#1 tip my dad ever gave me

"stand & ride whatever comes up"
I fuckin love Canadians Bro.
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8/26/2016 8:35am Edited Date/Time 8/26/2016 8:35am
Im almost 6' 5" and i ride sitting mostly, i have a harder time gripping the bike with my knees when standing than most people who race do. Might be something to do with the fact that my knees are above the seat ha! Only time i truly stand is before and after jumps and rough sections like sand whoops or something similar. If i try and stand through a 90 or 180 corner like roczen does so well, i feel top heavy extremely and out of balance no matter how much i practice it
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seth505 wrote:
This is stupid, I ride a tricycle 75 miles before work every day, now that's a real leg and stability workout!
I've even seen you wheelie the sumbitch!
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8/26/2016 11:29am
Funny alot of people are saying you brake late on a fourstroke .when both Dungey and Kroc and especially Everts were know to go into corners a bit slower not brake as hard and carry there momentem around the turn . unlike say a barica who is last of the late braker s .comes to more of a stop .then guns it coming . What i believe JT was saying that Kroc doesnt brake as hard and does nt gas it as hard just keep flowing
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8/26/2016 12:50pm
I've even seen you wheelie the sumbitch!
Laughing \oo/
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Icespikes wrote:
Fourstrokes force you to sit. You gotta be in shape. Problem is everyone's a lance. Tights and road bikes. Sitting on a bicycle is the worst...
Fourstrokes force you to sit.
You gotta be in shape.
Problem is everyone's a lance.
Tights and road bikes.
Sitting on a bicycle is the worst thing you can do for mx/sx cross training.
On my cr125 my dad would freak out if I sat! One summer my dad removed my seat almost every practice!
I ride 24" bmx / 40-60 miles a day.
It keeps my spine straighter with no sitting!
40 miles of bmx a non- racer usually couldn't do , so don't go killing yourself!
Go try 10-20miles on a bmx for staters!
I just got in from my 3 hour morning ride!
Where I only hang on with my hands on a bmx , thus nothing for my legs to squeeze,
I never get arm pump from training like this!
I just rode my bmx 54miles in 2:45! That's almost 3 hours of standing and riding no sitting! After breakfast I'll hit the gym and then it's time to Moto! Due to standing and cycling I find it uncomfortable to sit down on my mx bike!

Standing on the pegs , unhooks you from the bike! It lets the bike bounce & dance around beneath you , without bucking you!

Seats are for seat bouncing and mid corner traction

Brake late
Mid corner - sit late
On the gas - and rise out of the saddle as you exit the turn
Get into attack mode - clear your mind
Look far ahead and ride what ever comes up!


#1 tip my dad ever gave me

"stand & ride whatever comes up"
You could just strap a big dildo to your seat, that will scare you to stand up. The only way someone could go that speed on a bicycle is if big willy is tryin to get you or in you hah

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