Whats the most dangerous track in your state

Mike 29
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Ohio has a winner, Briarcliff is by far the most dangerous track in the state.

Even on an open practice weekend the MED-FLIGHT chopper appear regularly to take severely injured young men to the hospital, with life changing injuries. Truly could be a great track with a good operator but with the current operator its a death trap.

The AMA held a single event there 2 years ago, a ATV National, the officials said they will never return, they had never seen so many injuries or the such severity of injuries at a single event before, young people who's life was changed.

The only track in OHIO that needs a helicopter pad.

So that's OHIO, what's yours
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kkawboy14
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Texas is all pretty calm I would say.
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Seems to me the danger knob is in your right hand when riding,anywhere.
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Dangerous is a relative term. What's dangerous to one person is not so dangerous to another.

For me, EVERY track I ride is the most dangerous.. But it has nothing to do with the track.
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8/9/2016 8:20pm Edited Date/Time 8/9/2016 8:22pm
kkawboy14 wrote:
Texas is all pretty calm I would say.
Village Creek had a run of numerous deaths that happened on a somewhat regular basis for a while. I dont remember any one thing being identified that attributted to the deaths.
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kkawboy14 wrote:
Texas is all pretty calm I would say.
kzizok wrote:
Village Creek had a run of numerous deaths that happened on a somewhat regular basis for a while. I dont remember any one thing being identified...
Village Creek had a run of numerous deaths that happened on a somewhat regular basis for a while. I dont remember any one thing being identified that attributted to the deaths.
Yeah I don't get that because that track seems so calm
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kkawboy14 wrote:
Texas is all pretty calm I would say.
kzizok wrote:
Village Creek had a run of numerous deaths that happened on a somewhat regular basis for a while. I dont remember any one thing being identified...
Village Creek had a run of numerous deaths that happened on a somewhat regular basis for a while. I dont remember any one thing being identified that attributted to the deaths.
kkawboy14 wrote:
Yeah I don't get that because that track seems so calm
I agree. Its one thing for a track to have more injuries than others. But consistent deaths is unheard of.
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8/9/2016 8:27pm Edited Date/Time 8/9/2016 8:28pm
Its not that Motocross does not have some inherent level of danger, unfortunately.

My question is what track causes a disproportionality high level of major injuries, to me that come down to bad design, and/or bad operator. In Ohio we have both, when MED FLIGHT choppers arrive routinely on open practice days there is a problem, not with the riders, but a problem for sure.
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Its a fair question. Certain tracks have more injuries than others mostly due to track design and lack of grooming. Up in the Portland area it is PIR. The dirt is great but the track itself is more like a SX track thus the riders are not ready for that type of close contact, steep jumps, and timing sections. The riders need more practice on it and they need to learn to setup their bike for that type of track.
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Mike 29 wrote:
Ohio has a winner, Briarcliff is by far the most dangerous track in the state. Even on an open practice weekend the MED-FLIGHT chopper appear regularly...
Ohio has a winner, Briarcliff is by far the most dangerous track in the state.

Even on an open practice weekend the MED-FLIGHT chopper appear regularly to take severely injured young men to the hospital, with life changing injuries. Truly could be a great track with a good operator but with the current operator its a death trap.

The AMA held a single event there 2 years ago, a ATV National, the officials said they will never return, they had never seen so many injuries or the such severity of injuries at a single event before, young people who's life was changed.

The only track in OHIO that needs a helicopter pad.

So that's OHIO, what's yours
Beans is more dangerous than b cliff. Imo. Less room for error.
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Track design can have an effect on injuries in this sport. A couple of years ago I was having a talk with the owner of Gatorback MX in Florida. They had had a couple of bad years with two deaths and some very bad injuries that made the news. He told me that day he had decided to slow down the track, soften the track with sand, and groom the track all day during the racing. The next race he changed the track and removed the fastest area with the largest jump. He did bring in sand to soften the track as well. The coolest thing he did though was that he had two tractors on the side of the track all day. After every 3 or 4 races they got onto the track and groomed a section of the track. The track stayed fun all day and injuries dropped a great deal. I was impressed. That track used to get very hard in sections and keeping it soft has helped reduce injuries there.
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8/9/2016 9:04pm Edited Date/Time 8/9/2016 9:06pm
kzizok wrote:
I agree. Its one thing for a track to have more injuries than others. But consistent deaths is unheard of.
I believe one of the deaths at Village about a decade ago was a kid who got landed on over the table going up the hill after the old start. Another kid around that time got killed getting landed on at Lake Whitney too if I remember correctly. Was it last year or 2 years ago that the kid got landed on and killed in practice at River Valley?

About 10 years ago I remember there being a string of deaths and paralysis at tracks in North Texas. I'm not as plugged into the amateur scene today since all the racing I do is Vintage but I know quite a few people who stopped riding motocross all together because of the deaths and injuries. I hate this topic.
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8/9/2016 9:07pm Edited Date/Time 8/9/2016 9:12pm
What this fucktard fails to mention is that Briarcliff is the biggest/most attended track in Ohio. No huge jumps and all jumps have safe landings. The care flight incident was caused by a bike jumping out of gear which caused the rider to get landed on. Not the tracks fault. Briarcliff hasn't had a care flight for awhile until recently.
The OP Mike has a personal vendetta against the owner.
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8/9/2016 9:15pm Edited Date/Time 8/9/2016 9:22pm
Just for reference, this is track in question. Good thing the OP never raced at Kenworthytv's.

https://youtu.be/52Al4anfdrk
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JB 19 wrote:
Just for reference, this is track in question. Good thing the OP never raced at Kenworthytv's.

https://youtu.be/52Al4anfdrk
Seems like a nice track. Finish table was big! Pretty nice track for Ohio. I used to live in OH a long time ago. They always had some good tracks.
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8/9/2016 9:51pm
It's usually Anaheim 1 or The Glen Helen National track...statistically, that is.
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8/9/2016 9:58pm Edited Date/Time 8/9/2016 10:00pm
Moto810 wrote:
Track design can have an effect on injuries in this sport. A couple of years ago I was having a talk with the owner of Gatorback...
Track design can have an effect on injuries in this sport. A couple of years ago I was having a talk with the owner of Gatorback MX in Florida. They had had a couple of bad years with two deaths and some very bad injuries that made the news. He told me that day he had decided to slow down the track, soften the track with sand, and groom the track all day during the racing. The next race he changed the track and removed the fastest area with the largest jump. He did bring in sand to soften the track as well. The coolest thing he did though was that he had two tractors on the side of the track all day. After every 3 or 4 races they got onto the track and groomed a section of the track. The track stayed fun all day and injuries dropped a great deal. I was impressed. That track used to get very hard in sections and keeping it soft has helped reduce injuries there.
With all of your comments on tracks the last couple days I am wondering when you will open and run your own track? Implement all of your ideas, and let us know how it goes.
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That comment is a fact! Not criticism. If you read it I was pointing out how they did a good job. Giving credit to them for making improvements is a bad thing huh? Notice I said "I was impressed"?
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8/9/2016 10:15pm Edited Date/Time 8/9/2016 10:16pm
@OP briarcliff is easily one of the premier tracks in Ohio. It may not be compliant with your vintage bike, but it is the closest thing we have in Ohio to a national caliber track.
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The Vancouver area could use a new track...
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Over here in Australia there is the Frankson track.
A few deaths, a few more paralysed and countless injuries every session.
Bad managment, poor track conditions, blind jumps and stupid step ups which are great for pros.

Nothing like having a pro sail over you're head.

Unfortunatly practice tracks are far and few in the south.
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It's been years but Chatsworth ORV park in my great home state of NJ. People dropped like flies at that place when it was rough. Groomed after a rain on a weekday it was pretty baller, but what track isn't?
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Ass hat with a first post agenda.

STFU NOOB ! ! !
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8/10/2016 4:08am
This should get clipped before it goes full retard.
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Every track is dangerous. Especially if you ride over your head. At some point people are going to have to start taking responsibility for themselves again.
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JB 19 wrote:
Just for reference, this is track in question. Good thing the OP never raced at Kenworthytv's.

https://youtu.be/52Al4anfdrk
Funny, I thought the same thing. Man I do miss that place!
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kzizok wrote:
I agree. Its one thing for a track to have more injuries than others. But consistent deaths is unheard of.
731chopper wrote:
I believe one of the deaths at Village about a decade ago was a kid who got landed on over the table going up the hill...
I believe one of the deaths at Village about a decade ago was a kid who got landed on over the table going up the hill after the old start. Another kid around that time got killed getting landed on at Lake Whitney too if I remember correctly. Was it last year or 2 years ago that the kid got landed on and killed in practice at River Valley?

About 10 years ago I remember there being a string of deaths and paralysis at tracks in North Texas. I'm not as plugged into the amateur scene today since all the racing I do is Vintage but I know quite a few people who stopped riding motocross all together because of the deaths and injuries. I hate this topic.
River Valley is a tame track but they used to hold unorganized practice until the track got too crowded then they would convert to organized. I think the time the kid got killed it wasn't organized unfortunately. I've been out there quite a bit since and they are organized 100% of the time now from what I've seen. In fact, their jumps and track organization wasn't bad before, but now it is about the safest track in terms of obstacles.

Last Friday at RV there was a kid that was about 15 or 16 out there on a 150 during the little bike practice session. I guess technically he met the "little bike" rule, but this kid was not riding respectfully around the little kids and was jumping right next to them. He was plenty fast enough for the big bike class. I was hoping to see the track officials remove him from that practice and put him in the big bike practice, but as far as I know that didn't happen. It's not my track or my decision, but it's pretty disheartening and nerve racking to watch.

Village Creek just draws a lot of fast guys and the more speed you have, the higher the propensity for catastrophe. And they also have the SX style night track that has some more advanced obstacles. Between guys being too confident in their abilities, and just common mistakes, it's easy to have a helicopter ride out of there. Village Creek is the track that Josh Demuth got injured at that eventually led to amputation. No fault of the track or Josh's really. His bike locked up over a huge downhill triple from what I recall. The first time I rode the night track, the helicopter landed. Scared the living shit out of me since I was new and that was the first helicopter I saw land.
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This is from the owner of Briarcliff.

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JB 19 wrote:
Just for reference, this is track in question. Good thing the OP never raced at Kenworthytv's.

https://youtu.be/52Al4anfdrk
Madmax31 wrote:
Funny, I thought the same thing. Man I do miss that place!
Yeah, what they said
8/10/2016 6:22am
Nj isnt bad, being we only have 2 tracks.
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8/10/2016 6:27am Edited Date/Time 8/10/2016 6:28am
Moto810 wrote:
Track design can have an effect on injuries in this sport. A couple of years ago I was having a talk with the owner of Gatorback...
Track design can have an effect on injuries in this sport. A couple of years ago I was having a talk with the owner of Gatorback MX in Florida. They had had a couple of bad years with two deaths and some very bad injuries that made the news. He told me that day he had decided to slow down the track, soften the track with sand, and groom the track all day during the racing. The next race he changed the track and removed the fastest area with the largest jump. He did bring in sand to soften the track as well. The coolest thing he did though was that he had two tractors on the side of the track all day. After every 3 or 4 races they got onto the track and groomed a section of the track. The track stayed fun all day and injuries dropped a great deal. I was impressed. That track used to get very hard in sections and keeping it soft has helped reduce injuries there.
mx510 wrote:
With all of your comments on tracks the last couple days I am wondering when you will open and run your own track? Implement all of...
With all of your comments on tracks the last couple days I am wondering when you will open and run your own track? Implement all of your ideas, and let us know how it goes.
I agree he sure seems to know an awful lot about running tracks. Apparently they are easy to get rich off of. Just seems silly for him not to open one up.

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