Tomac has got in Roczen's head,...

RichardLoots wrote:

based on what ? how does it show ? just because he isnt dominating like the first few races next year ? how about Roczen stepped...

based on what ? how does it show ?

just because he isnt dominating like the first few races next year ? how about Roczen stepped up his game , as both were much faster as all other riders .... take away Roczen , and it looks a lot different

Southwick is a track much more suited for Tomac as Roczen , Roczen isnt a sand specialist at all
Tomac is super fast in sand tracks

Bonanza69 wrote:

Roczen isn't a sand specialist,are you serious?

mbha wrote:

He is not a sand specialist. Why should he be? Even his last year in the GP's Herlings was the sand specialist and they were like...

He is not a sand specialist. Why should he be? Even his last year in the GP's Herlings was the sand specialist and they were like 16 yrs old both of them. Roczen has been riding in US only since then. Same tracks, same SX!

Bonanza69 wrote:

Roczen isn't a sand specialist,are you serious?

RichardLoots wrote:

just because he is from europe doesnt make him a sand specialist ... doesnt say he cant ride on sand ;) i think Tomac is more...

just because he is from europe doesnt make him a sand specialist ... doesnt say he cant ride on sand

i think Tomac is more a sand specialist , and would love to see him ride Lommel or Lierop as i think he would be a serious contender for Herlings .... he loves it when the track gets rough and gnarly , just like Herlings he switches lines all the times looking for speed and looks really good and fast

mxmasta wrote:

I agree with everything you wrote. For me it is not only clear that Tomac is a better rider than what he has shown in the...

I agree with everything you wrote. For me it is not only clear that Tomac is a better rider than what he has shown in the first few races this year (and that he is finding groove lately), but also Roczen is already riding better that he has been during all of the 2015 season. So there wont be a Tomac or a Roczen domination coming up, but we are in for more interesting races from now on.

Saying (like a lot of guys on here) that Tomac is now "in Roczens head" or that Roczen has his "2nd half meltdown" on the other hand, is just plain clueless - in my eyes. These guys are racers, and if they have a meltdown just because someone beat them on one or more races, they wouldn't be where they are now.

mingham97 wrote:

Agreed agreed. I hope the Honda that Roczen rides next year is good. I think he would be untouchable (yes possibly out of reach of ET3)...

Agreed agreed. I hope the Honda that Roczen rides next year is good. I think he would be untouchable (yes possibly out of reach of ET3) if he is as comfy as he was on the 2014 KTM. If if if if if that happens I think that he will have SX17 and MX17 under his belt. For him to do this well on a set up he hates, I would love to see him comfy.

Clutchy wrote:

Roczen doesn't need to win. If it's there he'll take it. He want's a supercross championship and you can't do that if you're injured. 2nd every...

Roczen doesn't need to win. If it's there he'll take it. He want's a supercross championship and you can't do that if you're injured. 2nd every week wins the championship. Just my opinion.

dboivin wrote:

i agree but i think kenny takes it personal when he doesn't win. Settling for 2nd to win the championship (smart IMO) is not a horrible...

i agree but i think kenny takes it personal when he doesn't win. Settling for 2nd to win the championship (smart IMO) is not a horrible thing...instead of throwing out those excuses last weekend all he needed to say was "i like where im at in this championship and it was a tough weekend". The way he answered created all this circus of him being momentarily down on his bike, his forks, his team and guys making threads like this, lol.

Bonanza69 wrote:

Roczen isn't a sand specialist,are you serious?

mbha wrote:

He is not a sand specialist. Why should he be? Even his last year in the GP's Herlings was the sand specialist and they were like...

He is not a sand specialist. Why should he be? Even his last year in the GP's Herlings was the sand specialist and they were like 16 yrs old both of them. Roczen has been riding in US only since then. Same tracks, same SX!

kiwifan wrote:

this on MXA site, and from KR: “I felt like I struggled, pretty bad. No excuses. I struggled in the first moto so we went back...

this on MXA site, and from KR:

“I felt like I struggled, pretty bad. No excuses. I struggled in the first moto so we went back and made some changes and it was better for the second one. It wasn’t ideal. I kind of felt uncomfortable out there all day. Just tried to minimize the mistakes and do the best I can even though it wasn’t ideal. In the second moto we had a good battle going on. We were kind of yo-yoing there for a while. He (Tomac) had certain spots where he was faster and I was closing in other spots. We weren’t ever really close enough where I could have maybe gone up the inside and made a pass. It was a tough one out there.”

TripleFive wrote:

Watching that video reminded me of how important it was for Elijah to win last weekend. In the 250 class, Luke is right, ET3 had Kenneth...

Watching that video reminded me of how important it was for Elijah to win last weekend.

In the 250 class, Luke is right, ET3 had Kenneth mentally beat. How many times did Eli hunt Ken down at the end of a moto and drop him??

The 'Wick was crucial for Eli, mentally. Even though I expect that things will be back to business as usual for K-Roc at Millville, it's vitally important that Eli knows that when he's onnnn, he still has Ken covered.

It's a mental game, boyz.

kiwifan wrote:

this on MXA site, and from KR: “I felt like I struggled, pretty bad. No excuses. I struggled in the first moto so we went back...

this on MXA site, and from KR:

“I felt like I struggled, pretty bad. No excuses. I struggled in the first moto so we went back and made some changes and it was better for the second one. It wasn’t ideal. I kind of felt uncomfortable out there all day. Just tried to minimize the mistakes and do the best I can even though it wasn’t ideal. In the second moto we had a good battle going on. We were kind of yo-yoing there for a while. He (Tomac) had certain spots where he was faster and I was closing in other spots. We weren’t ever really close enough where I could have maybe gone up the inside and made a pass. It was a tough one out there.”

Kx125rider wrote:

So its not the forks anymore....

cool_hand wrote:

I mean, any time a rider hunts down the clear leader of the field, passes him... wrecks, gets back up and hunts him down again and...

I mean, any time a rider hunts down the clear leader of the field, passes him... wrecks, gets back up
and hunts him down again and wins the moto,..well I don't care how many points you have, that's a mental
ass woopin'

Millville should be interesting.

cool_hand wrote:

I mean, any time a rider hunts down the clear leader of the field, passes him... wrecks, gets back up and hunts him down again and...

I mean, any time a rider hunts down the clear leader of the field, passes him... wrecks, gets back up
and hunts him down again and wins the moto,..well I don't care how many points you have, that's a mental
ass woopin'

Millville should be interesting.

mbha wrote:

He did well like ho would have on any track conditions but he was still beaten by 40 seconds in one moto and by 1:48 in...

He did well like ho would have on any track conditions but he was still beaten by 40 seconds in one moto and by 1:48 in the other by the true sand specialists. Ken is ok on sand as we saw in southwick but to call him a sand specialist after having won on every track except the only sand track in recent time sounds a little silly.
No, he's not famous for beeing a sand specialist. If he is a little better at anything, it's really rutted and ruined tracks and mud races.

RG1 wrote:

And anytime a rider comes out and wins 11 of of the first 12 motos of the season, that's a mental ass whoopin. Roczen should have...

And anytime a rider comes out and wins 11 of of the first 12 motos of the season, that's a mental ass whoopin. Roczen should have 6 times the amount of moto wins Eli does so far this season if it wasn't for that issue at GH. I highly doubt he's going to lose all self confidence just because Tomac won an overall at a track that he's notoriously good at. Plus, we've seen time and time again from Tomac that he can be lightning fast one week, and then a shadow of that the next. Roczen is a world champ and a 450 national champ, this isn't his first go around, he knows how to win a title, and he knows that from time to time you're going to get beat.

Also agree with those that say Roczen isn't necessarily a sand specialist. He's good in the sand, better than most in the US, but he's not in the same league as Herlings or Cairoli. He did beat Herlings once, but Herlings fell. Most of the time Herlings dominated against him in the sand

RG1 wrote:

And anytime a rider comes out and wins 11 of of the first 12 motos of the season, that's a mental ass whoopin. Roczen should have...

And anytime a rider comes out and wins 11 of of the first 12 motos of the season, that's a mental ass whoopin. Roczen should have 6 times the amount of moto wins Eli does so far this season if it wasn't for that issue at GH. I highly doubt he's going to lose all self confidence just because Tomac won an overall at a track that he's notoriously good at. Plus, we've seen time and time again from Tomac that he can be lightning fast one week, and then a shadow of that the next. Roczen is a world champ and a 450 national champ, this isn't his first go around, he knows how to win a title, and he knows that from time to time you're going to get beat.

Also agree with those that say Roczen isn't necessarily a sand specialist. He's good in the sand, better than most in the US, but he's not in the same league as Herlings or Cairoli. He did beat Herlings once, but Herlings fell. Most of the time Herlings dominated against him in the sand

Bonanza69 wrote:

Is Cairoli in the league of Herlings?IMO no.

Sir Roostsalot wrote:

Lets just say "what was once looking to be a snoozefest could get very interesting". Roczen's 2nd half meltdown curse is going to be put to...

Lets just say "what was once looking to be a snoozefest could get very interesting". Roczen's 2nd half meltdown curse is going to be put to the test. Championships are won in July and August, this will put both men to the test.

RG1 wrote:

Maybe not quite, he's close though. Closer than anyone else

RG1 wrote:

Maybe not quite, he's close though. Closer than anyone else

Bonanza69 wrote:

I doubt.It's pure speculation.