European riders dominating 3 of the 4 major classes

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Motofinne 7/7/2016 3:23pm
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Don't think Jeffro or myself are saying Kenny is American or 80% American! Jeffro clearly says that Kenny [b]has raced 80% in the States[/b], not that...
Don't think Jeffro or myself are saying Kenny is American or 80% American!
Jeffro clearly says that Kenny has raced 80% in the States, not that Kenny is 80% American?! Same as I am not saying he is American, think we are merely referring to how strongly Ken has become an AMA guy.
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How about Pourcel ? he spend some years in the USA , first in 250 and now 450 and still racing AMA ...and How many years...
How about Pourcel ? he spend some years in the USA , first in 250 and now 450 and still racing AMA ...and How many years is Musquin racing in the USA ? didnt marvin go to the states a year before Ken ? so basically they all are 80% american ? ...lol
Haha this is actually kind of funny xD.

So CP377 isn't the crafty Frenchmen that somehow lucks into first in qualifiers. He is the insane AMA/Frenchmen that is crazy fast in one lap!
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Motofinne 7/7/2016 3:24pm
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I guess that Osborne is GP/AMA now also. Some kind of hybrid.


And yes this is dumbgeon compatible.
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The Source wrote:
4 major classes. MXGP, MX2, AMA 450, & AMA 250. European riders top in 3 out of the 4 so far.
jeffro503 wrote:
Wrong. First off Roczen has raced 80% of his entire pro career here in the states. He's more of an AMA guy than he ever was...
Wrong. First off Roczen has raced 80% of his entire pro career here in the states. He's more of an AMA guy than he ever was a GP guy when you include all the national and SX series he has done.

We only have one kid from the USA racing the GP's....which by the way came strait out of the armature ranks and has podiumed. There are no American's racing the MXGP class.

Try again you fucking clueless retard.
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jeffro i think you have a lot of good points and good posts in these forums but this is not one. Ken Roczen is suddenly 80%...
jeffro i think you have a lot of good points and good posts in these forums but this is not one.

Ken Roczen is suddenly 80% american/ama?

Thomas Covington is somehow an European? Which country? Belgium i assume?
Roczen IS more of an AMA rider then he ever was a GP rider......he's raced damn near his whole career here.

Thomas , even though American kid , he is a GP rider. He's raced his entire pro career there.....and should never even be considered an AMA rider. Never was as a pro.

On top off that....Kenny won over in the GP's.....he then came here ( and has said it numerous times ) that he had to get in better shape and ride more aggressive from start to finish before he could start winning here.

What's that tell you?

BUT.....do I think Gasjer , Febvre , AC222 and other GP guys are un-godly fast?.....Hell yes I do! And I have a ton of respect for those guys. Over there....they are king. Over here...the " seasoned " AMA guys like Roczen , Dungey , Tomac and so forth are king. NO GP guy is going to come here and start waxing anyone.

And....RV won his second race over there. When was the last time a GP guy just showed up and won?

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European or otherwise, we are all God's children. In God's eyes there is no distinction, The Source. So do you think you are better than God?
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4 major classes. MXGP, MX2, AMA 450, & AMA 250. European riders top in 3 out of the 4 so far.
I only see two major championships that are not American. Considering we're a country of immigrants, when does one stop being a "European" rider and become an American rider?
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Roczen is not an American, period. He's a Euro looking down the barrel of his 2nd US 450 title.
NOT an American by any means....but he IS an AMA rider. Not a GP rider. You could say the same for Musquin now to , now that he's been here longer than he ever was in the GP's.
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Wrong. First off Roczen has raced 80% of his entire pro career here in the states. He's more of an AMA guy than he ever was...
Wrong. First off Roczen has raced 80% of his entire pro career here in the states. He's more of an AMA guy than he ever was a GP guy when you include all the national and SX series he has done.

We only have one kid from the USA racing the GP's....which by the way came strait out of the armature ranks and has podiumed. There are no American's racing the MXGP class.

Try again you fucking clueless retard.
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jeffro i think you have a lot of good points and good posts in these forums but this is not one. Ken Roczen is suddenly 80%...
jeffro i think you have a lot of good points and good posts in these forums but this is not one.

Ken Roczen is suddenly 80% american/ama?

Thomas Covington is somehow an European? Which country? Belgium i assume?
jeffro503 wrote:
Roczen IS more of an AMA rider then he ever was a GP rider......he's raced damn near his whole career here. Thomas , even though American...
Roczen IS more of an AMA rider then he ever was a GP rider......he's raced damn near his whole career here.

Thomas , even though American kid , he is a GP rider. He's raced his entire pro career there.....and should never even be considered an AMA rider. Never was as a pro.

On top off that....Kenny won over in the GP's.....he then came here ( and has said it numerous times ) that he had to get in better shape and ride more aggressive from start to finish before he could start winning here.

What's that tell you?

BUT.....do I think Gasjer , Febvre , AC222 and other GP guys are un-godly fast?.....Hell yes I do! And I have a ton of respect for those guys. Over there....they are king. Over here...the " seasoned " AMA guys like Roczen , Dungey , Tomac and so forth are king. NO GP guy is going to come here and start waxing anyone.

And....RV won his second race over there. When was the last time a GP guy just showed up and won?
Oh god this will get ugly...
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Motofinne wrote:
Haha this is actually kind of funny xD. So CP377 isn't the crafty Frenchmen that somehow lucks into first in qualifiers. He is the insane AMA/Frenchmen...
Haha this is actually kind of funny xD.

So CP377 isn't the crafty Frenchmen that somehow lucks into first in qualifiers. He is the insane AMA/Frenchmen that is crazy fast in one lap!
yeah looks like Musquin and Pourcel are even more american as Roczen as the spent more time racing in the USA .
Maybe because Roczen wins a lot is more important .. :-)
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Jimmy_Sloan wrote:
European or otherwise, we are all God's children. In God's eyes there is no distinction, The Source. So do you think you are better than God?
Deductive reasoning would lead you to realize he views God as the supreme and everything else under that.
He sees ALL men as being equal.

What are you trying to start with that question other than an argument.

You ask mischievous questions and you get mischievous answers.
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jeffro503 7/7/2016 3:29pm
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Motofinne wrote:
jeffro i think you have a lot of good points and good posts in these forums but this is not one. Ken Roczen is suddenly 80%...
jeffro i think you have a lot of good points and good posts in these forums but this is not one.

Ken Roczen is suddenly 80% american/ama?

Thomas Covington is somehow an European? Which country? Belgium i assume?
jeffro503 wrote:
Roczen IS more of an AMA rider then he ever was a GP rider......he's raced damn near his whole career here. Thomas , even though American...
Roczen IS more of an AMA rider then he ever was a GP rider......he's raced damn near his whole career here.

Thomas , even though American kid , he is a GP rider. He's raced his entire pro career there.....and should never even be considered an AMA rider. Never was as a pro.

On top off that....Kenny won over in the GP's.....he then came here ( and has said it numerous times ) that he had to get in better shape and ride more aggressive from start to finish before he could start winning here.

What's that tell you?

BUT.....do I think Gasjer , Febvre , AC222 and other GP guys are un-godly fast?.....Hell yes I do! And I have a ton of respect for those guys. Over there....they are king. Over here...the " seasoned " AMA guys like Roczen , Dungey , Tomac and so forth are king. NO GP guy is going to come here and start waxing anyone.

And....RV won his second race over there. When was the last time a GP guy just showed up and won?
Motofinne wrote:
Oh god this will get ugly...
Bring it and prove me wrong.
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Motofinne wrote:
jeffro i think you have a lot of good points and good posts in these forums but this is not one. Ken Roczen is suddenly 80%...
jeffro i think you have a lot of good points and good posts in these forums but this is not one.

Ken Roczen is suddenly 80% american/ama?

Thomas Covington is somehow an European? Which country? Belgium i assume?
a22 wrote:
Don't think Jeffro or myself are saying Kenny is American or 80% American! Jeffro clearly says that Kenny [b]has raced 80% in the States[/b], not that...
Don't think Jeffro or myself are saying Kenny is American or 80% American!
Jeffro clearly says that Kenny has raced 80% in the States, not that Kenny is 80% American?! Same as I am not saying he is American, think we are merely referring to how strongly Ken has become an AMA guy.
Motofinne wrote:
So what Roczen did from age 3-17 is not accountable? What i'm trying to say is that Roczen isn't an "ama guy" nor an "gp guy"...
So what Roczen did from age 3-17 is not accountable?

What i'm trying to say is that Roczen isn't an "ama guy" nor an "gp guy". Roczen is probably the most versatile MX/SX rider that we have seen for decades.

And he is 100% German.
Yea- its totally accountable his achievements from 3-17 and I would also agree with you that he may well be the most 'versatile' MX/SX rider for decades. Also agreed he is 100% German!

Think the way Jeffro and myself have described Ken as an 'AMA guy', which you could say he is, in theory having spent 80% odd of his career there. Think you have interpreted in a certain way that seems to say we are 'making him an American'.
Think everyone is saying pretty much the same here, just in different ways...

Yea- sort of a dumb to post this thread anyway making this comparison.... anyway gave me something to do for the last half hour!

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jeffro503 wrote:
Roczen IS more of an AMA rider then he ever was a GP rider......he's raced damn near his whole career here. Thomas , even though American...
Roczen IS more of an AMA rider then he ever was a GP rider......he's raced damn near his whole career here.

Thomas , even though American kid , he is a GP rider. He's raced his entire pro career there.....and should never even be considered an AMA rider. Never was as a pro.

On top off that....Kenny won over in the GP's.....he then came here ( and has said it numerous times ) that he had to get in better shape and ride more aggressive from start to finish before he could start winning here.

What's that tell you?

BUT.....do I think Gasjer , Febvre , AC222 and other GP guys are un-godly fast?.....Hell yes I do! And I have a ton of respect for those guys. Over there....they are king. Over here...the " seasoned " AMA guys like Roczen , Dungey , Tomac and so forth are king. NO GP guy is going to come here and start waxing anyone.

And....RV won his second race over there. When was the last time a GP guy just showed up and won?
oh boy here we go again .........Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing RV won a moto Woohoo Woohoo oh my god
you make it sound like he waxed the MXGP ........

im pretty sure Herlings,Febvre or Gajser is capable of coming over and win a MX race in the states
im also pretty sure no americain will agree with it , as its been for decades
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Motofinne 7/7/2016 3:36pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Roczen IS more of an AMA rider then he ever was a GP rider......he's raced damn near his whole career here. Thomas , even though American...
Roczen IS more of an AMA rider then he ever was a GP rider......he's raced damn near his whole career here.

Thomas , even though American kid , he is a GP rider. He's raced his entire pro career there.....and should never even be considered an AMA rider. Never was as a pro.

On top off that....Kenny won over in the GP's.....he then came here ( and has said it numerous times ) that he had to get in better shape and ride more aggressive from start to finish before he could start winning here.

What's that tell you?

BUT.....do I think Gasjer , Febvre , AC222 and other GP guys are un-godly fast?.....Hell yes I do! And I have a ton of respect for those guys. Over there....they are king. Over here...the " seasoned " AMA guys like Roczen , Dungey , Tomac and so forth are king. NO GP guy is going to come here and start waxing anyone.

And....RV won his second race over there. When was the last time a GP guy just showed up and won?
Motofinne wrote:
Oh god this will get ugly...
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Bring it and prove me wrong.
So RV just "showed up" to Qatar?

You don't think that Gajser could go to Southwick now and compete for the win?

Roczen might be associated with USA in 2016 but that doesn't make him a "AMA" person/rider.

Edit: RV is probably the best rider that US have had since RC. RC in US, Everts in Europe. RV in US, AC in Europe.
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jeffro503 7/7/2016 3:36pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Roczen IS more of an AMA rider then he ever was a GP rider......he's raced damn near his whole career here. Thomas , even though American...
Roczen IS more of an AMA rider then he ever was a GP rider......he's raced damn near his whole career here.

Thomas , even though American kid , he is a GP rider. He's raced his entire pro career there.....and should never even be considered an AMA rider. Never was as a pro.

On top off that....Kenny won over in the GP's.....he then came here ( and has said it numerous times ) that he had to get in better shape and ride more aggressive from start to finish before he could start winning here.

What's that tell you?

BUT.....do I think Gasjer , Febvre , AC222 and other GP guys are un-godly fast?.....Hell yes I do! And I have a ton of respect for those guys. Over there....they are king. Over here...the " seasoned " AMA guys like Roczen , Dungey , Tomac and so forth are king. NO GP guy is going to come here and start waxing anyone.

And....RV won his second race over there. When was the last time a GP guy just showed up and won?
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oh boy here we go again .........:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: RV won a moto :woohoo: :woohoo: oh my god you make it sound like he waxed...
oh boy here we go again .........Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing RV won a moto Woohoo Woohoo oh my god
you make it sound like he waxed the MXGP ........

im pretty sure Herlings,Febvre or Gajser is capable of coming over and win a MX race in the states
im also pretty sure no americain will agree with it , as its been for decades
RV won an overall....his second race.

And you're right....it has been decades since a GP rider came here and won anything right off the bat.

You just completely proved my point without even trying. Good job.
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Motofinne wrote:
Oh god this will get ugly...
jeffro503 wrote:
Bring it and prove me wrong.
Motofinne wrote:
So RV just "showed up" to Qatar? You don't think that Gajser could go to Southwick now and compete for the win? Roczen might be associated...
So RV just "showed up" to Qatar?

You don't think that Gajser could go to Southwick now and compete for the win?

Roczen might be associated with USA in 2016 but that doesn't make him a "AMA" person/rider.

Edit: RV is probably the best rider that US have had since RC. RC in US, Everts in Europe. RV in US, AC in Europe.
Tim very well could win here indeed! I think Febvre possibly could too , but it would be a tall order.

Btw...you aren't going to find a bigger fan of TG243 any where than I am. I love that kid!
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Motofinne 7/7/2016 3:40pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Bring it and prove me wrong.
Motofinne wrote:
So RV just "showed up" to Qatar? You don't think that Gajser could go to Southwick now and compete for the win? Roczen might be associated...
So RV just "showed up" to Qatar?

You don't think that Gajser could go to Southwick now and compete for the win?

Roczen might be associated with USA in 2016 but that doesn't make him a "AMA" person/rider.

Edit: RV is probably the best rider that US have had since RC. RC in US, Everts in Europe. RV in US, AC in Europe.
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Tim very well could win here indeed! I think Febvre possibly could too , but it would be a tall order. Btw...you aren't going to find...
Tim very well could win here indeed! I think Febvre possibly could too , but it would be a tall order.

Btw...you aren't going to find a bigger fan of TG243 any where than I am. I love that kid!
Absolutely!

Since we are in full bench racing mode at the moment i would guess that Gajser would be the only one to compete against Roczen for wins right now since Tomac is clearly struggling(with the bike).
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That's only because the best USA guy competing "over there" this year is Ben Townley, wise guy. Whistling

In the same vein, have you checked Nico Izzy's Twitter today? Cool Shocked

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jeffro503 wrote:
RV won an overall....his second race. And you're right....it has been decades since a GP rider came here and won anything right off the bat. You...
RV won an overall....his second race.

And you're right....it has been decades since a GP rider came here and won anything right off the bat.

You just completely proved my point without even trying. Good job.
Roczen, pourcel, townley, moosecan...just to name a few from recent years that won right away.

I feel another Jeffro meltdown brewing.
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Motofinne wrote:
Oh god this will get ugly...
jeffro503 wrote:
Bring it and prove me wrong.
Motofinne wrote:
So RV just "showed up" to Qatar? You don't think that Gajser could go to Southwick now and compete for the win? Roczen might be associated...
So RV just "showed up" to Qatar?

You don't think that Gajser could go to Southwick now and compete for the win?

Roczen might be associated with USA in 2016 but that doesn't make him a "AMA" person/rider.

Edit: RV is probably the best rider that US have had since RC. RC in US, Everts in Europe. RV in US, AC in Europe.
" Roczen might be associated with USA in 2016 but that doesn't make him a "AMA" person/rider. "

If you went to school for grades 1 & 2 in New York.....then went to school for grades 3 - 12 in Portland.......would you still consider yourself a new yorker?

Kenny has competed as a professional here in the states 4 X longer than he ever did in the GP's. Does this not make sense? Because he " started " in GP's......he's a GP guy for life? Does not make sense.
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jeffro503 wrote:
Roczen IS more of an AMA rider then he ever was a GP rider......he's raced damn near his whole career here. Thomas , even though American...
Roczen IS more of an AMA rider then he ever was a GP rider......he's raced damn near his whole career here.

Thomas , even though American kid , he is a GP rider. He's raced his entire pro career there.....and should never even be considered an AMA rider. Never was as a pro.

On top off that....Kenny won over in the GP's.....he then came here ( and has said it numerous times ) that he had to get in better shape and ride more aggressive from start to finish before he could start winning here.

What's that tell you?

BUT.....do I think Gasjer , Febvre , AC222 and other GP guys are un-godly fast?.....Hell yes I do! And I have a ton of respect for those guys. Over there....they are king. Over here...the " seasoned " AMA guys like Roczen , Dungey , Tomac and so forth are king. NO GP guy is going to come here and start waxing anyone.

And....RV won his second race over there. When was the last time a GP guy just showed up and won?
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oh boy here we go again .........:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: RV won a moto :woohoo: :woohoo: oh my god you make it sound like he waxed...
oh boy here we go again .........Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing RV won a moto Woohoo Woohoo oh my god
you make it sound like he waxed the MXGP ........

im pretty sure Herlings,Febvre or Gajser is capable of coming over and win a MX race in the states
im also pretty sure no americain will agree with it , as its been for decades
jeffro503 wrote:
RV won an overall....his second race. And you're right....it has been decades since a GP rider came here and won anything right off the bat. You...
RV won an overall....his second race.

And you're right....it has been decades since a GP rider came here and won anything right off the bat.

You just completely proved my point without even trying. Good job.
Not bad for an American (or any flipping Nationality come to that) to win only his second race in GP's- who knows he may have 'waxed them' had he not got injured!

We will never know how much RV could have/ would have challenged- he did not get beaten; rather than he never actually hardly started/ completed the series.
He sort of was a challenger for sure, having won only his second race in GP's.
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jeffro503 7/7/2016 3:46pm
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RV won an overall....his second race. And you're right....it has been decades since a GP rider came here and won anything right off the bat. You...
RV won an overall....his second race.

And you're right....it has been decades since a GP rider came here and won anything right off the bat.

You just completely proved my point without even trying. Good job.
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Roczen, pourcel, townley, moosecan...just to name a few from recent years that won right away.

I feel another Jeffro meltdown brewing.
You know me? Don't push it.
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So RV just "showed up" to Qatar? You don't think that Gajser could go to Southwick now and compete for the win? Roczen might be associated...
So RV just "showed up" to Qatar?

You don't think that Gajser could go to Southwick now and compete for the win?

Roczen might be associated with USA in 2016 but that doesn't make him a "AMA" person/rider.

Edit: RV is probably the best rider that US have had since RC. RC in US, Everts in Europe. RV in US, AC in Europe.
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Tim very well could win here indeed! I think Febvre possibly could too , but it would be a tall order. Btw...you aren't going to find...
Tim very well could win here indeed! I think Febvre possibly could too , but it would be a tall order.

Btw...you aren't going to find a bigger fan of TG243 any where than I am. I love that kid!
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Absolutely! Since we are in full bench racing mode at the moment i would guess that Gajser would be the only one to compete against Roczen...
Absolutely!

Since we are in full bench racing mode at the moment i would guess that Gajser would be the only one to compete against Roczen for wins right now since Tomac is clearly struggling(with the bike).
I agree with that 100%. Tim is awesome in every aspect. I think he'll actually thrive on some of the tracks here. I for one can't wait to see him race here.
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jeffro503 wrote:
" [b]Roczen might be associated with USA in 2016 but that doesn't make him a "AMA" person/rider.[/b] " If you went to school for grades 1...
" Roczen might be associated with USA in 2016 but that doesn't make him a "AMA" person/rider. "

If you went to school for grades 1 & 2 in New York.....then went to school for grades 3 - 12 in Portland.......would you still consider yourself a new yorker?

Kenny has competed as a professional here in the states 4 X longer than he ever did in the GP's. Does this not make sense? Because he " started " in GP's......he's a GP guy for life? Does not make sense.
I agree with Jeffro here, just because a guy starts in GP it doesn't mean he should always be referred to as a GP rider...the whole MXGP vs US rider thing gets boring real quick, who cares who is faster can we just not celebrate their talent ?
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jeffro503 7/7/2016 3:51pm
7/7/2016 3:51pm
jeffro503 wrote:
" [b]Roczen might be associated with USA in 2016 but that doesn't make him a "AMA" person/rider.[/b] " If you went to school for grades 1...
" Roczen might be associated with USA in 2016 but that doesn't make him a "AMA" person/rider. "

If you went to school for grades 1 & 2 in New York.....then went to school for grades 3 - 12 in Portland.......would you still consider yourself a new yorker?

Kenny has competed as a professional here in the states 4 X longer than he ever did in the GP's. Does this not make sense? Because he " started " in GP's......he's a GP guy for life? Does not make sense.
kiwifan wrote:
I agree with Jeffro here, just because a guy starts in GP it doesn't mean he should always be referred to as a GP rider...the whole...
I agree with Jeffro here, just because a guy starts in GP it doesn't mean he should always be referred to as a GP rider...the whole MXGP vs US rider thing gets boring real quick, who cares who is faster can we just not celebrate their talent ?
It's guys like the source, MXgeoff and few others....that's all they are usually good for. Causing a rift between the two series. I myself love both series. Guys like the source and Geoff.....hate the AMA series and anything American. And they will take any chance the get to tell you so.
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jeffro503 wrote:
It's guys like the source, MXgeoff and few others....that's all they are usually good for. Causing a rift between the two series. I myself love both...
It's guys like the source, MXgeoff and few others....that's all they are usually good for. Causing a rift between the two series. I myself love both series. Guys like the source and Geoff.....hate the AMA series and anything American. And they will take any chance the get to tell you so.
Yup- absolutely- both series are great.... what even is the purpose of comparing them, setting them off against each other?! Its dumb to do this when you could be enjoying them for what they are rather than making it some sort of mad competition!
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kkawboy14 7/7/2016 3:59pm
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The Source is correct!
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GrapeApe 7/7/2016 4:02pm
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Japanese bikes dominating 3 of the 4 major classes. Clearly better than the European bikes.
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Lucifa. 7/7/2016 4:19pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Roczen IS more of an AMA rider then he ever was a GP rider......he's raced damn near his whole career here. Thomas , even though American...
Roczen IS more of an AMA rider then he ever was a GP rider......he's raced damn near his whole career here.

Thomas , even though American kid , he is a GP rider. He's raced his entire pro career there.....and should never even be considered an AMA rider. Never was as a pro.

On top off that....Kenny won over in the GP's.....he then came here ( and has said it numerous times ) that he had to get in better shape and ride more aggressive from start to finish before he could start winning here.

What's that tell you?

BUT.....do I think Gasjer , Febvre , AC222 and other GP guys are un-godly fast?.....Hell yes I do! And I have a ton of respect for those guys. Over there....they are king. Over here...the " seasoned " AMA guys like Roczen , Dungey , Tomac and so forth are king. NO GP guy is going to come here and start waxing anyone.

And....RV won his second race over there. When was the last time a GP guy just showed up and won?
Motofinne wrote:
Oh god this will get ugly...
jeffro503 wrote:
Bring it and prove me wrong.
If memory serves me right Jeffro, but it is fading, Ben Townley turn up from Europe to start his AMA days in 2007? He won the overall at Hangtown going 2 - 1 against RV2. They traded overalls and race wins all season with RV2 edging out BT as the MX Lites champion that year. They then went on to battle each other in SX as you know. That was some great racing!
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ATKpilot99 7/7/2016 4:19pm
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Pretty sure the source has accomplished what he set out to do here.

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