My WP AER 48 forks sucks. Should I go with conevalve or Öhlins?

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ob wrote:
Jeffro- the $3500 ish price is for a compete set of forks with the coatings and everything valved as per the riders needs. You can supposedly...
Jeffro- the $3500 ish price is for a compete set of forks with the coatings and everything valved as per the riders needs. You can supposedly get cone valve inserts for a regular set of 4cs forks but I don't know anybody that has done that or the pricing on just the inserts. Same for ohlins, you can buy complete forks or cartridge inserts to put in the existing 4cs fork.
jeffro503 wrote:
Ok so....lets say i was to pick up a 14' , 15' or 16' 250 sx... I could buy the CV inserts for those 4cs forks...
Ok so....lets say i was to pick up a 14' , 15' or 16' 250 sx... I could buy the CV inserts for those 4cs forks for around $1500 - $1800? And for an older 250 sx....what and how would a guy have to do to get the trax shock? And is the shock worth the price over the stock one?

OR....would it be more wise to just get a 17' and forget about the cv and trax stuff.. And FC do their mods? Wonder if a 17' is all that much better compared to a 14'-16' model , not counting the suspension?

My thinking is telling me that if i had a couple year old bike with the Cv and trax may be a better ride?
The 2015 Factory Edition(Which is the 2016 frame),2016 and 2017 blow the older generation bikes out of the water. Personally I wouldn't even consider going to the old gen bike.
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ob wrote:
Jeffro- the $3500 ish price is for a compete set of forks with the coatings and everything valved as per the riders needs. You can supposedly...
Jeffro- the $3500 ish price is for a compete set of forks with the coatings and everything valved as per the riders needs. You can supposedly get cone valve inserts for a regular set of 4cs forks but I don't know anybody that has done that or the pricing on just the inserts. Same for ohlins, you can buy complete forks or cartridge inserts to put in the existing 4cs fork.
jeffro503 wrote:
Ok so....lets say i was to pick up a 14' , 15' or 16' 250 sx... I could buy the CV inserts for those 4cs forks...
Ok so....lets say i was to pick up a 14' , 15' or 16' 250 sx... I could buy the CV inserts for those 4cs forks for around $1500 - $1800? And for an older 250 sx....what and how would a guy have to do to get the trax shock? And is the shock worth the price over the stock one?

OR....would it be more wise to just get a 17' and forget about the cv and trax stuff.. And FC do their mods? Wonder if a 17' is all that much better compared to a 14'-16' model , not counting the suspension?

My thinking is telling me that if i had a couple year old bike with the Cv and trax may be a better ride?
CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:
The 2015 Factory Edition(Which is the 2016 frame),2016 and 2017 blow the older generation bikes out of the water. Personally I wouldn't even consider going to...
The 2015 Factory Edition(Which is the 2016 frame),2016 and 2017 blow the older generation bikes out of the water. Personally I wouldn't even consider going to the old gen bike.
He's 1000% correct. The new chassis is worlds better than the older style and now that I've had back to back new chassis KTM's when I ride the older KTM it feels like a vintage bike. I'm riding better now than I have in yrs and yrs and I've had so many people tell me so and my reply is always the same "thanks a bunch" but I'm not doing anything different at all. The bike and my suspension is just so frigin good that I never think about anything on track other than just riding and having fun. I can take any line I want and ride it a 2 stroke when I want and ride like a 4 stroke when I want and it just makes me look pretty damn good in pretty much in every situation and you can't ask for anything more in a MX bike.
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My first impression of the 15.5 FE on the track was "Nice, feels like an orange Honda"

Pretty much hated the 14.5 FE
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ob wrote:
Jeffro- the $3500 ish price is for a compete set of forks with the coatings and everything valved as per the riders needs. You can supposedly...
Jeffro- the $3500 ish price is for a compete set of forks with the coatings and everything valved as per the riders needs. You can supposedly get cone valve inserts for a regular set of 4cs forks but I don't know anybody that has done that or the pricing on just the inserts. Same for ohlins, you can buy complete forks or cartridge inserts to put in the existing 4cs fork.
jeffro503 wrote:
Ok so....lets say i was to pick up a 14' , 15' or 16' 250 sx... I could buy the CV inserts for those 4cs forks...
Ok so....lets say i was to pick up a 14' , 15' or 16' 250 sx... I could buy the CV inserts for those 4cs forks for around $1500 - $1800? And for an older 250 sx....what and how would a guy have to do to get the trax shock? And is the shock worth the price over the stock one?

OR....would it be more wise to just get a 17' and forget about the cv and trax stuff.. And FC do their mods? Wonder if a 17' is all that much better compared to a 14'-16' model , not counting the suspension?

My thinking is telling me that if i had a couple year old bike with the Cv and trax may be a better ride?
No need to get the Trax shock IMO....the factory KTM Shock is actually pretty damn good.

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Digger29 wrote:
He's 1000% correct. The new chassis is worlds better than the older style and now that I've had back to back new chassis KTM's when I...
He's 1000% correct. The new chassis is worlds better than the older style and now that I've had back to back new chassis KTM's when I ride the older KTM it feels like a vintage bike. I'm riding better now than I have in yrs and yrs and I've had so many people tell me so and my reply is always the same "thanks a bunch" but I'm not doing anything different at all. The bike and my suspension is just so frigin good that I never think about anything on track other than just riding and having fun. I can take any line I want and ride it a 2 stroke when I want and ride like a 4 stroke when I want and it just makes me look pretty damn good in pretty much in every situation and you can't ask for anything more in a MX bike.
Digger, did you get a chance to try out the AER's yet?
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Digger29 6/6/2016 1:32pm
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Digger29 wrote:
He's 1000% correct. The new chassis is worlds better than the older style and now that I've had back to back new chassis KTM's when I...
He's 1000% correct. The new chassis is worlds better than the older style and now that I've had back to back new chassis KTM's when I ride the older KTM it feels like a vintage bike. I'm riding better now than I have in yrs and yrs and I've had so many people tell me so and my reply is always the same "thanks a bunch" but I'm not doing anything different at all. The bike and my suspension is just so frigin good that I never think about anything on track other than just riding and having fun. I can take any line I want and ride it a 2 stroke when I want and ride like a 4 stroke when I want and it just makes me look pretty damn good in pretty much in every situation and you can't ask for anything more in a MX bike.
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Digger, did you get a chance to try out the AER's yet?
Nope, I never used them. I tested a pr in the fall but never used the AER's that came on my new FE450. Billy at Powerband has them right now and he's doing a cpl of mods to them and I'm going to test them out in a cpl wks. He says that they're a very good fork and with just a cpl mods will be a great fork. We'll see about that :-)
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Digger29 6/6/2016 1:35pm
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ob wrote:
Jeffro- the $3500 ish price is for a compete set of forks with the coatings and everything valved as per the riders needs. You can supposedly...
Jeffro- the $3500 ish price is for a compete set of forks with the coatings and everything valved as per the riders needs. You can supposedly get cone valve inserts for a regular set of 4cs forks but I don't know anybody that has done that or the pricing on just the inserts. Same for ohlins, you can buy complete forks or cartridge inserts to put in the existing 4cs fork.
jeffro503 wrote:
Ok so....lets say i was to pick up a 14' , 15' or 16' 250 sx... I could buy the CV inserts for those 4cs forks...
Ok so....lets say i was to pick up a 14' , 15' or 16' 250 sx... I could buy the CV inserts for those 4cs forks for around $1500 - $1800? And for an older 250 sx....what and how would a guy have to do to get the trax shock? And is the shock worth the price over the stock one?

OR....would it be more wise to just get a 17' and forget about the cv and trax stuff.. And FC do their mods? Wonder if a 17' is all that much better compared to a 14'-16' model , not counting the suspension?

My thinking is telling me that if i had a couple year old bike with the Cv and trax may be a better ride?
BobPA wrote:
No need to get the Trax shock IMO....the factory KTM Shock is actually pretty damn good.
Totally agree but the stocker needs more rebound and that being said after racing the last 6-7 races with the Trax there just is no comparing the two shocks. The trax shock has it all over the stocker and performs better in every situation than the stock shock. Did I need the trax shock? definitely not but I wanted it and I definitely don't regret buying it.
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Kryan5 6/6/2016 1:46pm
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Digger29 wrote:
Nope, I never used them. I tested a pr in the fall but never used the AER's that came on my new FE450. Billy at Powerband...
Nope, I never used them. I tested a pr in the fall but never used the AER's that came on my new FE450. Billy at Powerband has them right now and he's doing a cpl of mods to them and I'm going to test them out in a cpl wks. He says that they're a very good fork and with just a cpl mods will be a great fork. We'll see about that :-)
Do a post when you get them back and broke in. Got the deposit down on my 17' and am anxiously nervous about the suspension. Don't love the idea i may have to drop another couple grand(above standard re-valve and spring) into my new bike although i know more than not its a necessary evil.

Would also like to hear some "non media" reviews on the AER 48's.
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Digger29 wrote:
Nope, I never used them. I tested a pr in the fall but never used the AER's that came on my new FE450. Billy at Powerband...
Nope, I never used them. I tested a pr in the fall but never used the AER's that came on my new FE450. Billy at Powerband has them right now and he's doing a cpl of mods to them and I'm going to test them out in a cpl wks. He says that they're a very good fork and with just a cpl mods will be a great fork. We'll see about that :-)
Kryan5 wrote:
Do a post when you get them back and broke in. Got the deposit down on my 17' and am anxiously nervous about the suspension. Don't...
Do a post when you get them back and broke in. Got the deposit down on my 17' and am anxiously nervous about the suspension. Don't love the idea i may have to drop another couple grand(above standard re-valve and spring) into my new bike although i know more than not its a necessary evil.

Would also like to hear some "non media" reviews on the AER 48's.
The AER48 is a very good stock fork. In fact most of the test riders that can be trusted says that it's the best performing stock air fork on the market(certainly the easiest to use since it only has one air chamber).

But WP CV or Öhlins RFX 48 will of course be a lot better than any stock fork on any motorcycle brand.
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ob wrote:
Jeffro- the $3500 ish price is for a compete set of forks with the coatings and everything valved as per the riders needs. You can supposedly...
Jeffro- the $3500 ish price is for a compete set of forks with the coatings and everything valved as per the riders needs. You can supposedly get cone valve inserts for a regular set of 4cs forks but I don't know anybody that has done that or the pricing on just the inserts. Same for ohlins, you can buy complete forks or cartridge inserts to put in the existing 4cs fork.
jeffro503 wrote:
Ok so....lets say i was to pick up a 14' , 15' or 16' 250 sx... I could buy the CV inserts for those 4cs forks...
Ok so....lets say i was to pick up a 14' , 15' or 16' 250 sx... I could buy the CV inserts for those 4cs forks for around $1500 - $1800? And for an older 250 sx....what and how would a guy have to do to get the trax shock? And is the shock worth the price over the stock one?

OR....would it be more wise to just get a 17' and forget about the cv and trax stuff.. And FC do their mods? Wonder if a 17' is all that much better compared to a 14'-16' model , not counting the suspension?

My thinking is telling me that if i had a couple year old bike with the Cv and trax may be a better ride?
Ok Jeffro you are going to have a problem with your ideas. You can't get the 250sx with the new chassis unles you buy a 17. I know you want the 250 two stroke but it's the only ktm moto bike that didn't get the new stuff in 16. So you NEED to buy a 17 and run the supposedly awesome new air forks. you can almost buy the whole new 17 bike for the cost of new cone valves and a trax shock at @$5500.
Plus the stock rear shock is very good. Or so I thought until I tried an ohlins rear shock that was magic and I'm not kidding. I haven't gotten to try a trax shock yet but it is supposedly incredible also even if you don't use the trax enabled.
Good luck man
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jeffro503 wrote:
Ok so....lets say i was to pick up a 14' , 15' or 16' 250 sx... I could buy the CV inserts for those 4cs forks...
Ok so....lets say i was to pick up a 14' , 15' or 16' 250 sx... I could buy the CV inserts for those 4cs forks for around $1500 - $1800? And for an older 250 sx....what and how would a guy have to do to get the trax shock? And is the shock worth the price over the stock one?

OR....would it be more wise to just get a 17' and forget about the cv and trax stuff.. And FC do their mods? Wonder if a 17' is all that much better compared to a 14'-16' model , not counting the suspension?

My thinking is telling me that if i had a couple year old bike with the Cv and trax may be a better ride?
CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:
The 2015 Factory Edition(Which is the 2016 frame),2016 and 2017 blow the older generation bikes out of the water. Personally I wouldn't even consider going to...
The 2015 Factory Edition(Which is the 2016 frame),2016 and 2017 blow the older generation bikes out of the water. Personally I wouldn't even consider going to the old gen bike.
Digger29 wrote:
He's 1000% correct. The new chassis is worlds better than the older style and now that I've had back to back new chassis KTM's when I...
He's 1000% correct. The new chassis is worlds better than the older style and now that I've had back to back new chassis KTM's when I ride the older KTM it feels like a vintage bike. I'm riding better now than I have in yrs and yrs and I've had so many people tell me so and my reply is always the same "thanks a bunch" but I'm not doing anything different at all. The bike and my suspension is just so frigin good that I never think about anything on track other than just riding and having fun. I can take any line I want and ride it a 2 stroke when I want and ride like a 4 stroke when I want and it just makes me look pretty damn good in pretty much in every situation and you can't ask for anything more in a MX bike.
@Digger and Joe....so getting a 16' or 17' sounds like what i would be after. I was thinking that the 17' was even different from the 16'? In that Robby Bell video he mentioned that they changed the frame and a few other things.

Would a used set of CV forks and trax shock from a 16' fit on the 17'?

If i end up going down this road , i very well may buy the damn suspension before the bike if i knew it would fit.

Gawd i lose track of all these suspension names , numbers...which forks and shock fit what bike , mods , inserts. Ect.....gets confusing.
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CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:
The 2015 Factory Edition(Which is the 2016 frame),2016 and 2017 blow the older generation bikes out of the water. Personally I wouldn't even consider going to...
The 2015 Factory Edition(Which is the 2016 frame),2016 and 2017 blow the older generation bikes out of the water. Personally I wouldn't even consider going to the old gen bike.
Digger29 wrote:
He's 1000% correct. The new chassis is worlds better than the older style and now that I've had back to back new chassis KTM's when I...
He's 1000% correct. The new chassis is worlds better than the older style and now that I've had back to back new chassis KTM's when I ride the older KTM it feels like a vintage bike. I'm riding better now than I have in yrs and yrs and I've had so many people tell me so and my reply is always the same "thanks a bunch" but I'm not doing anything different at all. The bike and my suspension is just so frigin good that I never think about anything on track other than just riding and having fun. I can take any line I want and ride it a 2 stroke when I want and ride like a 4 stroke when I want and it just makes me look pretty damn good in pretty much in every situation and you can't ask for anything more in a MX bike.
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@Digger and Joe....so getting a 16' or 17' sounds like what i would be after. I was thinking that the 17' was even different from the...
@Digger and Joe....so getting a 16' or 17' sounds like what i would be after. I was thinking that the 17' was even different from the 16'? In that Robby Bell video he mentioned that they changed the frame and a few other things.

Would a used set of CV forks and trax shock from a 16' fit on the 17'?

If i end up going down this road , i very well may buy the damn suspension before the bike if i knew it would fit.

Gawd i lose track of all these suspension names , numbers...which forks and shock fit what bike , mods , inserts. Ect.....gets confusing.
You want a '17

They got the updated chassis, engine, air fork, everything
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CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:
The 2015 Factory Edition(Which is the 2016 frame),2016 and 2017 blow the older generation bikes out of the water. Personally I wouldn't even consider going to...
The 2015 Factory Edition(Which is the 2016 frame),2016 and 2017 blow the older generation bikes out of the water. Personally I wouldn't even consider going to the old gen bike.
Digger29 wrote:
He's 1000% correct. The new chassis is worlds better than the older style and now that I've had back to back new chassis KTM's when I...
He's 1000% correct. The new chassis is worlds better than the older style and now that I've had back to back new chassis KTM's when I ride the older KTM it feels like a vintage bike. I'm riding better now than I have in yrs and yrs and I've had so many people tell me so and my reply is always the same "thanks a bunch" but I'm not doing anything different at all. The bike and my suspension is just so frigin good that I never think about anything on track other than just riding and having fun. I can take any line I want and ride it a 2 stroke when I want and ride like a 4 stroke when I want and it just makes me look pretty damn good in pretty much in every situation and you can't ask for anything more in a MX bike.
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@Digger and Joe....so getting a 16' or 17' sounds like what i would be after. I was thinking that the 17' was even different from the...
@Digger and Joe....so getting a 16' or 17' sounds like what i would be after. I was thinking that the 17' was even different from the 16'? In that Robby Bell video he mentioned that they changed the frame and a few other things.

Would a used set of CV forks and trax shock from a 16' fit on the 17'?

If i end up going down this road , i very well may buy the damn suspension before the bike if i knew it would fit.

Gawd i lose track of all these suspension names , numbers...which forks and shock fit what bike , mods , inserts. Ect.....gets confusing.
Yeah sorry I didn't notice you wrote 250SX. So yes only the 2017 250 SX has the new chassis. Hold out for that and get cone valves to start. you can eventually get the Trax shock.

You will want the 15.5, 16 or 17 cone valves which have a smaller axel than the older models. If you come across a crazy deal on an older set of forks(say $1,000-$1750), I would get them. You will only need the pre 16' larger axel, wheel spacers and the older fork guards to make them work. They have +2mm offset difference but if it's the matter of save thousands of dollars, I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Recap:
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WP Cone valve forks(with new smaller axel)
YZ450F2014 6/7/2016 9:25am
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Hi, I have a KTM 350 with AER 48mm Air forks. I didnt like the fork so I got it revalved. It got a little bit...
Hi,

I have a KTM 350 with AER 48mm Air forks. I didnt like the fork so I got it revalved. It got a little bit better but I wasnt happy with them so I got them revalved again but Im still not happy with them.

I am thinking about getting the conevalve or öhlins fork insteed. Anyone that have tried both and can give me some tips?

I was on the yzf450 last year and got that revalved and some parts was changed and I was very happy with that suspension. Then I switched to KTM and I love everything about the bike except the fork. So I really need to get the fork issue fixed. If I dont I think I will be back on the yami next year.
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Something doesn't seem to add up with your post. First off, where did you get AER 48 forks from for your 350? Are you Euro based...
Something doesn't seem to add up with your post.

First off, where did you get AER 48 forks from for your 350? Are you Euro based? Second, what didn't you like about the forks when they we're setup with the stock settings? What did you try to setup the forks before sending them out for a re-valve?

You would be the first person I've heard say doesn't like the new AER fork from a performance perspective. I have time on the AER 48's and found them to be very supple and all around very capable forks. I'm not suggesting they are as good as the CV setup, just that they are darn good out of the box.

I'm very interested to hearing your experiences to help with more feedback.
Yepp, I live in Sweden. The fork dosent swollow the breaking bumps as it should. It beats the shit out of my body/arms/hands.

Ofcourse I have set up the sag and right spring and airpressure and so on before I got them revalved.

I rode a pritty hard packed track wich was really rough last week and my hands started to hurt and so on. Then I swiched bike with a friend who rides Husky 350 and his forks swallowed the bumbs better then mine. My friend felt the same way. He has the 4CS stock forks on his bike.

I have talked to several riders here in Sweden about the AER forks, some like them, some revalve them and think they are OK after that, some dislike them and some replace them with Öhlins/CV.

I will try a bike with conevalve fork this weekend I hope, so it will be interesting.
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Yepp, I live in Sweden. The fork dosent swollow the breaking bumps as it should. It beats the shit out of my body/arms/hands. Ofcourse I have...
Yepp, I live in Sweden. The fork dosent swollow the breaking bumps as it should. It beats the shit out of my body/arms/hands.

Ofcourse I have set up the sag and right spring and airpressure and so on before I got them revalved.

I rode a pritty hard packed track wich was really rough last week and my hands started to hurt and so on. Then I swiched bike with a friend who rides Husky 350 and his forks swallowed the bumbs better then mine. My friend felt the same way. He has the 4CS stock forks on his bike.

I have talked to several riders here in Sweden about the AER forks, some like them, some revalve them and think they are OK after that, some dislike them and some replace them with Öhlins/CV.

I will try a bike with conevalve fork this weekend I hope, so it will be interesting.
It would be interesting to know how different the valving was on your AER 48 forks compared to what we are getting in the States. Reason being, I've ridden the AER forks and one of their strengths is how supple they in braking and acceleration bumps...and I mean substantially better than most any fork I've ridden (as good as SSS IMO in the area).

When you say "right air pressure", do you mean the recommended pressure KTM suggests?

What level rider are you?

What's your experience level with suspension setup?

I hope you see my questions as just my desire to understand your issue in more detail, and not in any way meant to be negative.
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Yepp, I live in Sweden. The fork dosent swollow the breaking bumps as it should. It beats the shit out of my body/arms/hands. Ofcourse I have...
Yepp, I live in Sweden. The fork dosent swollow the breaking bumps as it should. It beats the shit out of my body/arms/hands.

Ofcourse I have set up the sag and right spring and airpressure and so on before I got them revalved.

I rode a pritty hard packed track wich was really rough last week and my hands started to hurt and so on. Then I swiched bike with a friend who rides Husky 350 and his forks swallowed the bumbs better then mine. My friend felt the same way. He has the 4CS stock forks on his bike.

I have talked to several riders here in Sweden about the AER forks, some like them, some revalve them and think they are OK after that, some dislike them and some replace them with Öhlins/CV.

I will try a bike with conevalve fork this weekend I hope, so it will be interesting.
tdrewk wrote:
It would be interesting to know how different the valving was on your AER 48 forks compared to what we are getting in the States. Reason...
It would be interesting to know how different the valving was on your AER 48 forks compared to what we are getting in the States. Reason being, I've ridden the AER forks and one of their strengths is how supple they in braking and acceleration bumps...and I mean substantially better than most any fork I've ridden (as good as SSS IMO in the area).

When you say "right air pressure", do you mean the recommended pressure KTM suggests?

What level rider are you?

What's your experience level with suspension setup?

I hope you see my questions as just my desire to understand your issue in more detail, and not in any way meant to be negative.
Yeah I dont know the different of valving between US and Euro. My KYB setup was amazing when it came to breaking bumps and stuff. It is big difference to the WP Ive got now.

I have tried different air pressures. 145-155 psi is what the suspension guy that revalved my forks recommended.

I have raced dirtbikes since I was 14, I am 28 now.. have been pro a couple of years but now I most do local races and ride for fun. But my speed is just as fast as when I raced the pro races.

YZ450F2014 6/7/2016 10:44am
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Theres a 2015 conevalve for sale for about 2000usd near me. Is it any difference between 15 and 16 cv fork?

Edit: And will it fit the ktm 2016 and 2017 bike?

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Yeah I dont know the different of valving between US and Euro. My KYB setup was amazing when it came to breaking bumps and stuff. It...
Yeah I dont know the different of valving between US and Euro. My KYB setup was amazing when it came to breaking bumps and stuff. It is big difference to the WP Ive got now.

I have tried different air pressures. 145-155 psi is what the suspension guy that revalved my forks recommended.

I have raced dirtbikes since I was 14, I am 28 now.. have been pro a couple of years but now I most do local races and ride for fun. But my speed is just as fast as when I raced the pro races.

It would be surprising if the valving is much different than ours.

Did you ever reduce the PSI prior to the re-valve? Unless the tuner is very reputable and with extensive experience with the AER fork (which really no one is, they are too new), I'm thinking the re-valve could have easily went in the wrong direction.

No doubt you are fast and an experienced rider. "Maybe" the forks simply aren't suitable for your speed in stock setup, but by all accounts the AER forks are very capable right out of the box when setup well. I suspect from the way you wrote your first post, that you may have been a little quick to seek out modifications without more experimentation with air pressure and clickers.

I've watched many fast and experienced riders, choose to trust suspension tuners believing they would deliver a better performing fork. Often, the problem is most younger or less inquisitive riders, never truly understand how a suspension works and often don't experiment enough with their clickers, oil heights (or PSI on air forks), springs, sag etc... before taking the "leap" into the black magic of suspension tuning.

In your case maybe I'm wrong, but I get the sense I'm right. Or it could be that you are very accustomed to having excellent suspension (SSS, CV) and maybe the AER forks just aren't measuring up to your expectations.
YZ450F2014 6/9/2016 12:16pm
6/9/2016 12:16pm
Hi,

I have tried the conevalve today and it is big difference from the AER fork. Much smoother on the breaking bumps.





Does this number say anything about when the fork is made?

Its a conevalve fork. The seller says he thinks it is 2015 fork but he's not sure.

The number is: 14182N03 FNV00041901 27/14
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CarlinoJoeVideo 6/9/2016 12:45pm
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YZ450F2014 wrote:
Hi, I have tried the conevalve today and it is big difference from the AER fork. Much smoother on the breaking bumps. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/06/09/138468/s1200_IMAG0274.jpg[/img] Does this number...
Hi,

I have tried the conevalve today and it is big difference from the AER fork. Much smoother on the breaking bumps.





Does this number say anything about when the fork is made?

Its a conevalve fork. The seller says he thinks it is 2015 fork but he's not sure.

The number is: 14182N03 FNV00041901 27/14
Can you get a photo of the fork lug and axel size? That's the only difference. But even if they are older you can still fit them on any bike, just need the larger axel and wheels spacers.
YZ450F2014 6/9/2016 1:01pm
6/9/2016 1:01pm
YZ450F2014 wrote:
Hi, I have tried the conevalve today and it is big difference from the AER fork. Much smoother on the breaking bumps. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/06/09/138468/s1200_IMAG0274.jpg[/img] Does this number...
Hi,

I have tried the conevalve today and it is big difference from the AER fork. Much smoother on the breaking bumps.





Does this number say anything about when the fork is made?

Its a conevalve fork. The seller says he thinks it is 2015 fork but he's not sure.

The number is: 14182N03 FNV00041901 27/14
CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:
Can you get a photo of the fork lug and axel size? That's the only difference. But even if they are older you can still fit...
Can you get a photo of the fork lug and axel size? That's the only difference. But even if they are older you can still fit them on any bike, just need the larger axel and wheels spacers.
Hi

It is a bigger axel than the stock 2016. I think they changed to a smaller axel at the 2015 bike? So it should be a 2014 fork?
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CarlinoJoeVideo 6/9/2016 1:07pm
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Yeah I'd say 14 or 15. Could have been made in 15 but for someone with the older style axel.

Maybe low ball the guy for $1,700 then buy the axel, spacers and fork guards. You'd be sitting pretty!
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smv ryder 6/9/2016 1:47pm
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Would buying the AER spring kit be a cheaper route with just a revalve?
AER 48 SPRING KIT

The new WP AER 48 spring kit is now available. This package allows riders to change their AER 48 to a conventional system. The spring kit replaces the air chamber with a traditional coil spring offering the same performance with the damping behaviour of a conventional spring. The functionality remains the same while having the damping properties and feeling of the conventional system.

WP offers this package for the KTM models SX 125/250, SX-F 250, SX-F 350 and SX-F 450 with a special setting for each model. The modification can be made by any WP Dealer and can be combined with the first service at a reasonable price.

http://www.wp-group.com/en/wp-newsletter/
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jeffro503 6/9/2016 2:38pm
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I need to book mark this thread. Some great info in here. Having a closer look at one of those 17' 250 sx's when they hit the floor here. Could be on an orange bike by mid summer if she feels good under me.
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So I have the new 450 FE and best bike ever except I'm not in love with the forks yet. I need to work more with adjusting them but I still just cant see them meeting my expectations. I suppose Yamaha Enzo suspension spoiled me?

Anyways, the main issue I have is anything remotely big I can land perfect and still feel like I over jumped it or came up short. I can only imagine if I actually did either of those I would die (not literally) but you get the drift. Also coming into a rough corner is not to fun on the wrist either.

Like I said tho, maybe I need to do more adjusting. Sag is set. Messed with air pressure and clickers just still not there yet I suppose. Even if I find the perfect set up is there a better option out there that is night and day better? Should I invest in a revalve or new forks? Suspension is like the only thing I care about when it comes to riding. I appreciate the feedback!
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jacksonlab 7/29/2016 7:00am
7/29/2016 7:00am
WillMX114 wrote:
So I have the new 450 FE and best bike ever except I'm not in love with the forks yet. I need to work more with...
So I have the new 450 FE and best bike ever except I'm not in love with the forks yet. I need to work more with adjusting them but I still just cant see them meeting my expectations. I suppose Yamaha Enzo suspension spoiled me?

Anyways, the main issue I have is anything remotely big I can land perfect and still feel like I over jumped it or came up short. I can only imagine if I actually did either of those I would die (not literally) but you get the drift. Also coming into a rough corner is not to fun on the wrist either.

Like I said tho, maybe I need to do more adjusting. Sag is set. Messed with air pressure and clickers just still not there yet I suppose. Even if I find the perfect set up is there a better option out there that is night and day better? Should I invest in a revalve or new forks? Suspension is like the only thing I care about when it comes to riding. I appreciate the feedback!
I have the 2016 450 FE also with the new AER 48 forks and completely agree with your assessment. This bike is by far the best 450 to date and these new forks are awesome in just about everything BUT hard landings. You'll read about the "slap down" issues riders are having that are pretty brutal on the wrists and body when you come up short or over jump or even worse- "case" a jump. In my experience they work excellent 98% of the time but when you need your suspension the most is when they fail miserably. Again, I'm talking about the rare occurrence when you really f**k up and need every ounce of your suspension to absorb your mistake. I over jumped a really big triple and landed not on the down slope of the landing area but at the bottom flat area of the jump. On any other "sprung" suspension I would have taken a beating and a half but would not have experienced the consequences of this AER 48. My fork felt like it went straight through the stroke and hit bottom. These forks do not tolerate high speed heavy impact landings at all. I ended up with a fractured scapula, 2 broken ribs, a concussion, a bruised lung, and torn ligaments in my neck and shoulder from the impact. I'll be off the bike for at least 3-4 months to heal. Luckily I'm not in a f**king wheelchair after that fiasco. I'm not saying these forks are garbage whatsoever. They work flawlessly on just about everything but if you ever find yourself needing to absorb a monster hit be prepared for these forks not being able to take what you're dishing out!
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kb-450 7/29/2016 7:35am
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YZ450F2014 wrote:
Hi, I have a KTM 350 with AER 48mm Air forks. I didnt like the fork so I got it revalved. It got a little bit...
Hi,

I have a KTM 350 with AER 48mm Air forks. I didnt like the fork so I got it revalved. It got a little bit better but I wasnt happy with them so I got them revalved again but Im still not happy with them.

I am thinking about getting the conevalve or öhlins fork insteed. Anyone that have tried both and can give me some tips?

I was on the yzf450 last year and got that revalved and some parts was changed and I was very happy with that suspension. Then I switched to KTM and I love everything about the bike except the fork. So I really need to get the fork issue fixed. If I dont I think I will be back on the yami next year.
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Something doesn't seem to add up with your post. First off, where did you get AER 48 forks from for your 350? Are you Euro based...
Something doesn't seem to add up with your post.

First off, where did you get AER 48 forks from for your 350? Are you Euro based? Second, what didn't you like about the forks when they we're setup with the stock settings? What did you try to setup the forks before sending them out for a re-valve?

You would be the first person I've heard say doesn't like the new AER fork from a performance perspective. I have time on the AER 48's and found them to be very supple and all around very capable forks. I'm not suggesting they are as good as the CV setup, just that they are darn good out of the box.

I'm very interested to hearing your experiences to help with more feedback.
I just got a 17 KTM 450 SX-F coming off the 16 Husky FC450. I love the AER forks, they are without doubt a million times better than the 4CS. Only have 2 rides on them; a mega series race and a practice day.

Once I set the air pressure according to spec and my weight and adjusted clickers, I've made no changes with the exception of clickers. I checked to pressure before the 2nd ride (2 weeks later) and they were still at the exact pressure I had previously set them to. All I had to do was fine tune clicker for each track and was good to go. They are very progressive, supple on top and never bottom. The complete opposite of 4CS.

I love them, but coming off 4CS (rod iron or spaghetti noodles) anything would be better!
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WillMX114 7/29/2016 8:04am
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WillMX114 wrote:
So I have the new 450 FE and best bike ever except I'm not in love with the forks yet. I need to work more with...
So I have the new 450 FE and best bike ever except I'm not in love with the forks yet. I need to work more with adjusting them but I still just cant see them meeting my expectations. I suppose Yamaha Enzo suspension spoiled me?

Anyways, the main issue I have is anything remotely big I can land perfect and still feel like I over jumped it or came up short. I can only imagine if I actually did either of those I would die (not literally) but you get the drift. Also coming into a rough corner is not to fun on the wrist either.

Like I said tho, maybe I need to do more adjusting. Sag is set. Messed with air pressure and clickers just still not there yet I suppose. Even if I find the perfect set up is there a better option out there that is night and day better? Should I invest in a revalve or new forks? Suspension is like the only thing I care about when it comes to riding. I appreciate the feedback!
jacksonlab wrote:
I have the 2016 450 FE also with the new AER 48 forks and completely agree with your assessment. This bike is by far the best...
I have the 2016 450 FE also with the new AER 48 forks and completely agree with your assessment. This bike is by far the best 450 to date and these new forks are awesome in just about everything BUT hard landings. You'll read about the "slap down" issues riders are having that are pretty brutal on the wrists and body when you come up short or over jump or even worse- "case" a jump. In my experience they work excellent 98% of the time but when you need your suspension the most is when they fail miserably. Again, I'm talking about the rare occurrence when you really f**k up and need every ounce of your suspension to absorb your mistake. I over jumped a really big triple and landed not on the down slope of the landing area but at the bottom flat area of the jump. On any other "sprung" suspension I would have taken a beating and a half but would not have experienced the consequences of this AER 48. My fork felt like it went straight through the stroke and hit bottom. These forks do not tolerate high speed heavy impact landings at all. I ended up with a fractured scapula, 2 broken ribs, a concussion, a bruised lung, and torn ligaments in my neck and shoulder from the impact. I'll be off the bike for at least 3-4 months to heal. Luckily I'm not in a f**king wheelchair after that fiasco. I'm not saying these forks are garbage whatsoever. They work flawlessly on just about everything but if you ever find yourself needing to absorb a monster hit be prepared for these forks not being able to take what you're dishing out!
Damn sorry to hear that. Hope you have a quick/full recovery. You are dead on tho about the forks, when you need them the most they fail miserably. I just sent mine to MX-Tech to get modified/revalved so I will let you know how much difference it makes when they return.

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