Don't Overshoot Glen Helen's Triple Step-Up...

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TSCHAM101 5/27/2016 9:19am
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Dustinmoto425 wrote:
http://youtu.be/xWyACivDnBs


No no... im talking about the old elsinore back in 05-08. Had a huge front table next to the tower.
oh okay, but that camel was on that track as well.. Still fun when it wasnt bluegrooved.
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RG1 5/27/2016 9:22am
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swtwtwtw wrote:
as a gh local, this is typical of the track builder who has no jump experience at all. imo, big jumps ought to be at the...
as a gh local, this is typical of the track builder who has no jump experience at all. imo, big jumps ought to be at the end of a rhythm, not in the middle for sure. and they ought to be wfo safe to overjump...
I was going to say that the jump looked like it's been built by someone who could/has never hit anything like that themselves,but I didn't know for sure who's built it
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peelout 5/27/2016 9:27am
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slipdog wrote:
Worked out well for the pro in the video, didn't it?
Worked out well for the pro in the video, didn't it?
akillerwombat wrote:
Nope. But neither did a straightaway for Tomac, a standard triple for Roczen, a small rhythm for Villopoto, a table for Reed, a single for Dungey...
Nope. But neither did a straightaway for Tomac, a standard triple for Roczen, a small rhythm for Villopoto, a table for Reed, a single for Dungey, whoops for Stewart, sand for Mookie, etc.

People crash regardless of skill level.
Villo crashed on a straight-away.

i heard his front tire was filled half helium, half air.

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avidchimp 5/27/2016 9:28am
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The problem with this particular jump is it has a short landing and g's out into the next turn/hip jump. There is about 10 feet of good landing area, after that it can go sideways quickly.

Even if Brett's' wheel didn't explode, he was certainly going for a ride...
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akillerwombat 5/27/2016 9:34am
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slipdog wrote:
Worked out well for the pro in the video, didn't it?
Worked out well for the pro in the video, didn't it?
akillerwombat wrote:
Nope. But neither did a straightaway for Tomac, a standard triple for Roczen, a small rhythm for Villopoto, a table for Reed, a single for Dungey...
Nope. But neither did a straightaway for Tomac, a standard triple for Roczen, a small rhythm for Villopoto, a table for Reed, a single for Dungey, whoops for Stewart, sand for Mookie, etc.

People crash regardless of skill level.
peelout wrote:
Villo crashed on a straight-away.

i heard his front tire was filled half helium, half air.
I thought he was a pro?
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Titan1 5/27/2016 9:36am
5/27/2016 9:36am Edited Date/Time 5/27/2016 9:38am
I love Glen Helen! It is everything a pro level track should be...ridiculously steep hills...rough...FAST...massive jumps...hot (usually)...long...dust on occasion...hard pack...sandy...big...just a brutal track...

Leave the jump, leave the landing...make the track bigger, steeper, faster, rougher...these are professional riders we're talking about, among the absolute best in the world...give them all they can handle...challenge them in every aspect...from a fan perspective, I love watching Glen Helen.
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BobbyM 5/27/2016 9:50am
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Meister wrote:
I'd bet something had already weakened that wheel and this jump was the last big hit it could take.
you bet...the last two times he hit that sucker prior.
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FreshTopEnd 5/27/2016 10:01am
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RG1 wrote:
This jump is stupid in my opinion. It's not necessarily the size of it that's the problem. It's the shortness of the landing, and having an...
This jump is stupid in my opinion. It's not necessarily the size of it that's the problem. It's the shortness of the landing, and having an uphill straight after it. Add to that the fact that you have a long fast run up to it, it makes it even worse as it makes it easy to over jump, you actually have to scrub speed off to clear it. If it was a bit closer to a turn and it was everything you've got to clear it, it would be better. Jumps like this are just unnecessary.
You're hitting the nail on head. The size and type of obstacle is less important than how the feature, or the track layout itself, is designed. That takes a little more disciplined and creative, intelligent thinking.
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TSCHAM101 5/27/2016 10:02am
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Titan1 wrote:
I love Glen Helen! It is everything a pro level track should be...ridiculously steep hills...rough...FAST...massive jumps...hot (usually)...long...dust on occasion...hard pack...sandy...big...just a brutal track... Leave the jump...
I love Glen Helen! It is everything a pro level track should be...ridiculously steep hills...rough...FAST...massive jumps...hot (usually)...long...dust on occasion...hard pack...sandy...big...just a brutal track...

Leave the jump, leave the landing...make the track bigger, steeper, faster, rougher...these are professional riders we're talking about, among the absolute best in the world...give them all they can handle...challenge them in every aspect...from a fan perspective, I love watching Glen Helen.
i love watching it myself, i agree the pros should be challenged.. they are the best of the best. bring them a challenge.
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gjbruny 5/27/2016 10:02am
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any word on injuries? blew my hand up last year casing a triple. luckily the carbon on the twisted engineering bars failed on the left side saving my left hand aside from a chip fracture. broken bones in my feet as well (though we didn't know it until weeks later). good thing my bars failed as my wife would have been wiping my arse for a while if they didn't.

watching his hands come off the bars brought back memories of last year.... i only needed a plate and 5 screws to fix my hand and my bike was no worse for the wear.... his looked 10 times more violent and the bike........

hope the young man is ok.
dazzlindino 5/27/2016 10:03am
5/27/2016 10:03am
dazzlindino wrote:
...yes yes yes...front wheels were shattered in all those incidents...
akillerwombat wrote:
And how many people hit the jump without their wheels exploding?
...haaa...so ur argument then.... is to change the original question...nice...
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akillerwombat 5/27/2016 10:06am
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dazzlindino wrote:
...yes yes yes...front wheels were shattered in all those incidents...
akillerwombat wrote:
And how many people hit the jump without their wheels exploding?
dazzlindino wrote:
...haaa...so ur argument then.... is to change the original question...nice...
... yes... reframing... the question... from the other side... is ... to change... the original... question... and doesn't offer... us... anything from looking.... at it... from a different... perspective.

I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say with that response. I still think it didn't work out well for that pro in the video.
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500guy 5/27/2016 10:30am
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I guess I missed it, whats the status of the rider ?
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kkawboy14 5/27/2016 10:35am
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500guy wrote:
I guess I missed it, whats the status of the rider ?
I'm not sure but one things for sure, this thread and that jump are beat black and blue with a collapsed lung!
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ledger 5/27/2016 11:19am
5/27/2016 11:19am
Is this jump the same one Tickle is talking about in the "One Lap" vid ? That was a brutal crash.
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mxpro252 5/27/2016 12:28pm
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slipdog wrote:
Worked out well for the pro in the video, didn't it?
Worked out well for the pro in the video, didn't it?
akillerwombat wrote:
Nope. But neither did a straightaway for Tomac, a standard triple for Roczen, a small rhythm for Villopoto, a table for Reed, a single for Dungey...
Nope. But neither did a straightaway for Tomac, a standard triple for Roczen, a small rhythm for Villopoto, a table for Reed, a single for Dungey, whoops for Stewart, sand for Mookie, etc.

People crash regardless of skill level.
peelout wrote:
Villo crashed on a straight-away.

i heard his front tire was filled half helium, half air.
Ban straight-away's

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Titan1 wrote:
I love Glen Helen! It is everything a pro level track should be...ridiculously steep hills...rough...FAST...massive jumps...hot (usually)...long...dust on occasion...hard pack...sandy...big...just a brutal track... Leave the jump...
I love Glen Helen! It is everything a pro level track should be...ridiculously steep hills...rough...FAST...massive jumps...hot (usually)...long...dust on occasion...hard pack...sandy...big...just a brutal track...

Leave the jump, leave the landing...make the track bigger, steeper, faster, rougher...these are professional riders we're talking about, among the absolute best in the world...give them all they can handle...challenge them in every aspect...from a fan perspective, I love watching Glen Helen.
TSCHAM101 wrote:
i love watching it myself, i agree the pros should be challenged.. they are the best of the best. bring them a challenge.
But there are better ways for them to be challenged than jumps that are, in this case at least, literally nail or fail. The challenge should come from trying to do sections faster than your rivals and making up time on them, how can this be done on an obstacle like this? There's literally one speed that you can go over it to clear it, any faster or slower and you're going to the hospital
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brimx153 5/27/2016 12:59pm
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Titan1 wrote:
I love Glen Helen! It is everything a pro level track should be...ridiculously steep hills...rough...FAST...massive jumps...hot (usually)...long...dust on occasion...hard pack...sandy...big...just a brutal track... Leave the jump...
I love Glen Helen! It is everything a pro level track should be...ridiculously steep hills...rough...FAST...massive jumps...hot (usually)...long...dust on occasion...hard pack...sandy...big...just a brutal track...

Leave the jump, leave the landing...make the track bigger, steeper, faster, rougher...these are professional riders we're talking about, among the absolute best in the world...give them all they can handle...challenge them in every aspect...from a fan perspective, I love watching Glen Helen.
TSCHAM101 wrote:
i love watching it myself, i agree the pros should be challenged.. they are the best of the best. bring them a challenge.
RG1 wrote:
But there are better ways for them to be challenged than jumps that are, in this case at least, literally nail or fail. The challenge should...
But there are better ways for them to be challenged than jumps that are, in this case at least, literally nail or fail. The challenge should come from trying to do sections faster than your rivals and making up time on them, how can this be done on an obstacle like this? There's literally one speed that you can go over it to clear it, any faster or slower and you're going to the hospital
is the racing part not the challenge . I want to see a good race ,Passing every lap . its funny people call challenging a rider a huge jump . a jump ,every rider there ,can do . so what kind of challenge is that .the main challenge is for everyone to keep there corner speed ,thats what seperates everyone at the end of the day . whats this jump actully add to the racing . Nothing imo , its not a passing place . all it does is leave no room for a mistake . and when riders are doing 2 x 30 min motos there should be room for going a tad wrong on a jump like that . Its stupid imo
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5/27/2016 1:05pm
Titan1 wrote:
I love Glen Helen! It is everything a pro level track should be...ridiculously steep hills...rough...FAST...massive jumps...hot (usually)...long...dust on occasion...hard pack...sandy...big...just a brutal track... Leave the jump...
I love Glen Helen! It is everything a pro level track should be...ridiculously steep hills...rough...FAST...massive jumps...hot (usually)...long...dust on occasion...hard pack...sandy...big...just a brutal track...

Leave the jump, leave the landing...make the track bigger, steeper, faster, rougher...these are professional riders we're talking about, among the absolute best in the world...give them all they can handle...challenge them in every aspect...from a fan perspective, I love watching Glen Helen.
TSCHAM101 wrote:
i love watching it myself, i agree the pros should be challenged.. they are the best of the best. bring them a challenge.
RG1 wrote:
But there are better ways for them to be challenged than jumps that are, in this case at least, literally nail or fail. The challenge should...
But there are better ways for them to be challenged than jumps that are, in this case at least, literally nail or fail. The challenge should come from trying to do sections faster than your rivals and making up time on them, how can this be done on an obstacle like this? There's literally one speed that you can go over it to clear it, any faster or slower and you're going to the hospital
You can gain more on a person by nailing a technical section or railing a corner than you can when all 40 people will be jumping this. It's a "wow" feature made for a bunch of minions to stare at in pleasure all day long. I'm GIF happy today. I apologize in advance.

patrickadizzle 5/27/2016 1:09pm
5/27/2016 1:09pm
Man I hope he is alright. That was gnarly.
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Titan1 5/27/2016 1:37pm
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TSCHAM101 wrote:
i love watching it myself, i agree the pros should be challenged.. they are the best of the best. bring them a challenge.
RG1 wrote:
But there are better ways for them to be challenged than jumps that are, in this case at least, literally nail or fail. The challenge should...
But there are better ways for them to be challenged than jumps that are, in this case at least, literally nail or fail. The challenge should come from trying to do sections faster than your rivals and making up time on them, how can this be done on an obstacle like this? There's literally one speed that you can go over it to clear it, any faster or slower and you're going to the hospital
brimx153 wrote:
is the racing part not the challenge . I want to see a good race ,Passing every lap . its funny people call challenging a rider...
is the racing part not the challenge . I want to see a good race ,Passing every lap . its funny people call challenging a rider a huge jump . a jump ,every rider there ,can do . so what kind of challenge is that .the main challenge is for everyone to keep there corner speed ,thats what seperates everyone at the end of the day . whats this jump actully add to the racing . Nothing imo , its not a passing place . all it does is leave no room for a mistake . and when riders are doing 2 x 30 min motos there should be room for going a tad wrong on a jump like that . Its stupid imo
It's something I'd never dream of doing myself...and I like to see the pros doing things that I couldn't even imagine myself doing. Sure, that's railing a corner, or jumping a particular section in a way I'd never thought possible, or going so fast down a whooped out, rutted, rough section that it blows my mind...but its also hitting huge jumps.

And what's wrong with the "wow factor" anyway? It IS, after all, a spectator sport...so what's wrong with giving the fans something to look at...even if for those 2 or 5 seconds in the air they aren't making up, or losing, time on their opponents??? I say nothing...and if it so easy that "every rider there can do", if the slowest, least talented rider there can do it, how is it also dangerous? Every rider there is going to be wide open down the start straight, going the exact same speed, and at 60mph+...one mistake there-at those speeds-and they'll be going to the hospital. Should we take out the start straight and the Talladega Turn?
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BAMX 5/27/2016 1:50pm
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Did they change the jump? There has been a huge triple there a bunch of times. Why is it now a problem?

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seth505 5/27/2016 2:19pm
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Marvin effectively called everyone a pussy, doing a heelclicker over the triple in question.
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ledger 5/27/2016 2:36pm
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Wonder if the guy locked up his front brake when he saw the slower rider in front of him ? Maybe he thought he would hit him if he followed through. Just a thought.
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RG1 wrote:
This jump is stupid in my opinion. It's not necessarily the size of it that's the problem. It's the shortness of the landing, and having an...
This jump is stupid in my opinion. It's not necessarily the size of it that's the problem. It's the shortness of the landing, and having an uphill straight after it. Add to that the fact that you have a long fast run up to it, it makes it even worse as it makes it easy to over jump, you actually have to scrub speed off to clear it. If it was a bit closer to a turn and it was everything you've got to clear it, it would be better. Jumps like this are just unnecessary.
FreshTopEnd wrote:
You're hitting the nail on head. The size and type of obstacle is less important than how the feature, or the track layout itself, is designed...
You're hitting the nail on head. The size and type of obstacle is less important than how the feature, or the track layout itself, is designed. That takes a little more disciplined and creative, intelligent thinking.
Exactly what both of you posted. I have built a bunch of tracks indoor and outdoor. Every obstacle/section has to be thought out with as much room for "what if"s as possible. Big jumps can be safe as heck of the take is properly angled and the landing has enough room & break over angle in case of a short. Lot's of mental math goes into building safe, flowy tracks, imo..............
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ledger 5/27/2016 3:25pm
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Is it the jump at 1:53 - 1:58 ? Tickle said it's a hit or miss.
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TSCHAM101 wrote:
i love watching it myself, i agree the pros should be challenged.. they are the best of the best. bring them a challenge.
RG1 wrote:
But there are better ways for them to be challenged than jumps that are, in this case at least, literally nail or fail. The challenge should...
But there are better ways for them to be challenged than jumps that are, in this case at least, literally nail or fail. The challenge should come from trying to do sections faster than your rivals and making up time on them, how can this be done on an obstacle like this? There's literally one speed that you can go over it to clear it, any faster or slower and you're going to the hospital
brimx153 wrote:
is the racing part not the challenge . I want to see a good race ,Passing every lap . its funny people call challenging a rider...
is the racing part not the challenge . I want to see a good race ,Passing every lap . its funny people call challenging a rider a huge jump . a jump ,every rider there ,can do . so what kind of challenge is that .the main challenge is for everyone to keep there corner speed ,thats what seperates everyone at the end of the day . whats this jump actully add to the racing . Nothing imo , its not a passing place . all it does is leave no room for a mistake . and when riders are doing 2 x 30 min motos there should be room for going a tad wrong on a jump like that . Its stupid imo
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