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this thread has ran its course, the jump was safe and the bikes and rider skill was there for it to not be dangerous.
Remember Larocco's leap is slightly shorter at 130' and its been there 20 years now but its an up hill triple with a much smaller landing, and ive seen guys case that all the time and....no one ever died.
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BTW I caught hell from most folks with my sound posture circa 2006. Interesting that now ten years later most people "get it" but at the expense of how many closed tracks and riding areas in the interim?
Ten years from now God forbid if the sport is a shell of its former self due to these jump related issues (injuries, deaths, decreased rider counts, government and insurance BS) I hope y'all enjoy talking about how great big air jumps were.
Seth505 re: "I agree with larger the jump, larger the consequences but that goes along with anything fun that is challenging (risk/reward)" considering how bitchin' (and dangerous) MX is without 100 foot plus jumps (and how fragile our sport is now) in good conscience I just cannot be a fan of big air.
Simply no need and the risk reward benefit just isn't there.......IMHO
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC4f9TCg4zw
Or, how about David Bailey?
Reed was visibly shaken after that Millville crash. He wasn't the same for several races afterwards. Listening to him describe the crash, I got the impression that, while in the air, he thought that his career was over.
I've read other accounts of riders who missed their launch speed (too high or too low), and wound up in the hospital. Yes, mx is dangerous, but it doesn't need to any more dangerous than necessary. DeCoster and his contemporaries dealt with injuries, but not to the extent we see today.
Here's some of the best head-to-head races I've ever seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p12EDNyAl0
And my all-time favorite RC vs JS at Budds Creek 2007 (starting at 12:43):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVR1C2Y3ZH4
There was some "big air" in some of those battles, but the big air isn't what made them great. What you didn't see in that last video was what led to that point. At about the 1/3 point of the moto, RC caught JS who was in the lead. JS made his bike as wide as possible. RC got a wheel up beside him at several points, but couldn't close the deal. Then he started setting up for a pass a corner early. Still not good enough. Then he started setting up 2 corners early. STILL not good enough. The pass that RC finally executed began 3 corners (at least) before the actual pass. It was amazing. It was the greatest display of racecraft I have ever seen. THAT's what mx racing should be.
At any given time, there are numerous riders out with injuries. Villopoto, Tomac, Milsap, Rocsun, Reed, Canard, Stewart, and even Carmichael have missed races, seasons, or have been slowed by injuries. There's actually very few who don't fit in this category. Even the immense talent of JS can't keep the injuries away. There's almost never been a time when all of the top riders have been healthy. IMO, there's no reason it needs to be that way. Many people complain that Dungey is too boring. I'm way too old to race any more, but if I were still racing now, his style is EXACTLY how I'd ride. Within my limits, pushing it only as much as I had to.
I would like to see the sport made safer, and maybe we wouldn't see the greats like RC make what I consider to be early exits. Some exit because they're too beat up to continue. Some leave to keep from getting too beat up. Long haul veterans like Reed are by far the exception. The sport is diminished as a result. How many of you wouldn't like to see a race today with Dungey, Rocsun, Tomac, Canard, Barcia, and Stewart, all at their peaks? All of those but Dungey and Rocsun are slower today due to injuries. How many Carmichaels, Hannahs, Stewarts, McGraths, etc, have we missed out on because of injuries before they made it to the pros? Not laying all of this at the feet of "big air", but as I've said, mx is dangerous... there's no need to make it more dangerous.
Truer words have never been spoken RE mx is dangerous... there's no need to make it more dangerous.
It takes all kinds but it is beyond me why some are incapable of grasping this basic concept.
This thread shows why it is no wonder we are still just a niche sport. Too much machismo and not enough common sense.
This got turned into a "what would it hurt if every jump was turned into a table" conversation, which is pretty funny to me.
BTW nothing got turned into anything. It is a matter of people caring about the sport enough to offer ideas while others offer only criticisms.
Temporarily locked your opinion has been duly noted. Thanks.
I agree that outdoor motocross should not be Supercross, but pros have the bikes and the skill to jump things that weren't even dreamed of being jumped. The FLY 150 is a focal point for the crowd and fan feedback is positive. We have not received any negative feedback from the pros about it.
Actually, the 40 foot table-top following the FLY 150 has been a more difficult jump over the years, evidenced by a top pro who went to the hospital after endoing over it.
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we've referred to it as the "Alessi jump" ever since, LOL!
Oh and it seemed pretty unanimous that the pros weren't too hip on the big jumps at the Glen
I've been with my mom this week and unfortunately spent more time on Vital than I would have liked dealing with the GH Friday pit debacle. Your "pretty silent" comment amuses me and I always smile whenever I'm reminded just how petty you are.
The only thing typical is your sore loser antics while you dog me from one thread to another trying to get a reaction. Keep trying all you want and good luck.
EDIT: I hope you've been receiving updates on this thread so you can read what I deleted. My closing comments were definitely more for your consumption than the Vital MX crowd. If you or anyone else needs to post it up by all means do as I stand behind everything I wrote.
Oh and I hope you will be able to find the GH thread I started. Good luck!
Just to be clear I don't care at what track big air jumps are at regardless if it is Hangtown, Glen Helen or on the moon.
Those of you that keep saying Hangtown's 150 footer is safe or that people don't get hurt on jumps like they do on other obstacles should click your heels together three times in an attempt to leave Oz and come back to reality.
I can handle a 74 MPH first turn but a jump? I don't think so Tim. (Dating myself with a Tool Time reference)
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