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Regardless, I think having both sides of the argument present when discussing new options is the healthiest way to go about having said conversations... IE, New idea(s) vs Chase vs Current format.
Don't know if changing or adding way points are distributed will help or confuse the fans.
first 12 races = regular season, regular points (double purse payouts from XXXXXX at Feld
THEN:
Last 5 races = The Playoffs
Last 5 races escalate from regular season point payouts to 1.25X, 1.5X, 1.75X and 2X (double) points for last five races to final race. So a win in the last race is 50 points, second is 46, etc. Still rewards winning, consistency, risk - all in one. Guys will send it hard!
AND those XXXXX at Feld should have to pay triple purse payout to the riders as well. This way nobody is punished, their points from the regular season count, and the "playoffs" give those further back a fighting chance while taking NOTHING away from the regular season leaders. And fans get a great show!
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From my perspective the Chase is happening regardless if I hate it and you love it or vice versa. Accordingly it seems a better use of time to float proposals than it does to debate the merits of the Chase.
ktmwoods-Thank you for the comments but the name calling accomplishes nothing. People's ears and minds close when one "goes there" with the language.
16 races.
Top 11 at round 9 get points reset to zero, and race on to the Premier Supercross Cup Championship.
The bottom 11 keep points, and race on to the Privateer Supercross Cup Championship.
Both 250, and 450.
We always start with 22 riders because that's the way it's always been done. But that sure is the poorest reason to keep doing the same thing.
If you feel strongly enough then feel free start a thread (if you don't find the 3 and 3 thread adequate) titled New idea(s) vs Chase vs Current format.
Or keep ignoring the thread title and my two previous replies and keep at it.
If you're looking for non-chase suggestions then the thread title does a poor job of explaining that.
Speak now or forever keep a sock in it.
No we always haven't started with 22 riders. I do agree with your last sentence.
I think Feld/AMA/FIM have done a good job tweaking things over the last three to five years with bringing back the 450 semis and expanding the 250 class back to the 22 rider fields we had in the 125 days.
Believe the last three or so years is the first time the premier class has ever been 22 riders.
I'm over talking about lap times and just wish the powers to be stop the nonsense and give us timed mains.......again. It just doesn't compute that fans at some venues see more racing than others. How is that fair?
I also can't believe the TV Production company doesn't demand timed mains. The sticking point appears to be the thinking fans can't handle different lap counts and it would be too confusing.
If that is true I sure hope none of these people drive. Those traffic lights having 3 different colors must be really tough for these people. Sarcasm aside most of the casual fans I see don't even pay that close attention plus have a tendency to leave early to beat traffic.
I am not understanding your last sentence but want to. Please clarify. Thank you.
Whatever the Chase winds up being I hope it will be straightforward for a couple of reasons:
1) I'm easily confused
2) I don't want to have to take my shoes off to deal with complicated math.
Just use this, dude, since you apparently own the thread.
I'm in big favor of less qualifying bullshit. Double moto format. More chances to see battles that matter. Roczen gets a crappy start moto one. Dungey runs away. Boohoo. 2nd moto might be better racing. Go grab a beer real quick. Lol
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A way to do this is to make the first race pay points as it is now, ie 25 points. The second race has one point added to each position so a win pays 26. The third race pays 27 point etc. In this way the last race of the season is worth about twice as much as the first. Might have to tweek it with a two point adder rather than one.
I think the above is the least disruptive way to have a Chase while respecting the past.
Granted that most things applied in this sport where in the riders take a hit, it has been a joke.
When other parties have to take a hit, they go to court......
How about if you assume the role of unofficial editor of these concepts ( seems like you are already) and propose the three best for a Vital poll? I doubt that there is a group of better informed people ( and certainly no group with stronger opinions) in the MX community to shuss out what they want to see. Hopefully the powers that be would take a look.
Chase = bad idea, no matter how you put it. The best argument that chase supporters have offered is that it may make it more exciting come the reset which is a poor argument given my above explanations.
I dont want a different winner per say
Just something to tighten the points up a bit
Perhapse
1 point per position and lowest amount wins
Finish 1st get 1 point
Finish 2nd get 2 points etc
Finish 20th get 20 points
Dungey would still be winning but maybe the points would be tighter
The positions 13-22 riders do not ride at the levels of the top 12 riders for an entire race. They may do it for one or three laps but the race spreads out and gets dangerous for those racing for the lead having to deal with lappers who do the right thing and move over or avoid the action, and those (Friese and a few others) that love to cause problems. Sometimes, the top 7-12 riders do not ride at a pace remotely close to the 1-2, but I believe that if the 12 rider final gate was done, it would give all of the riders a better chance at pulling great starts because of the wild luck of some of the 13-20 guys make life hell for any of the top 12 who get behind them and by the time they get around them, after 1 or 2 laps, the leaders are GONE.
Meanwhile those 13-20 guys who held the 12-7 riders up just long enough to be "out of the race" start backtracking and by the time half the race is over, they are "rolling" the track. That gets boring for the sport and and very boring for the fans and like you said, it makes it hard to figure who is in what position.
So, here is a way to satisfy everyone.
Do the normal way of qualifying and heat races, etc. Let the 22 riders who would normally make the final gate and then split it. 13th qualifier and up to 22 go to a "consolation" main event, in between the 250 and 450 main event. Amongst themselves 13-22 will make a GREAT race. Just think of the Last Chance Qualifier races. They are usually more exciting than the main events.
The 450 gets the top 12 and will give more validation to their talent and skill which typically are considerably more than 13-22. It would give riders more reason to do better in their qualifiers and heat races because even if the likes of Eli Tomac or Justin Bogle or even Ryan Dungey, do not qualify 12th or better, for whatever reason, it evens up the field and they go to the consolation race. There would be no "Premier" main event points awarded for going to the consolation race.
I think fans want to see a more even racing event. 5 guys or more battling for a lead is "possible" with a 12 rider main gate start. I honestly believe that.
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