Anyone here Six Sigma certified?

DMEDI

Only got my Green Belt. Problem is once you get it unless you have any real experience it don't mean shit.

Green Belt here. Nice to go through, but don't use it anymore.

Yes. This philosophy has permeated the corporate culture where I work. If only people would practice its teachings...

Kalisch is a level 8 Warlock Jedi Mage..........that count?

OK, I'll ask...

WTF is a six sigma?

That like sigma derby?

[quote="flarider":3jd19n1q]OK, I'll ask...

WTF is a six sigma?

That like sigma derby?[/quote:3jd19n1q]It is the latest round of sucking money out of companies under the guise of quality or process improvement. This is pretty good:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Sigma

[quote="flarider":1jq0jgs8]OK, I'll ask...

WTF is a six sigma?

That like sigma derby?[/quote:1jq0jgs8]
Could always do a search.

Nah, figured I'd be lazy and piss you off by asking

Mission accomplished!

[quote="rubarb":3oh143op]I know many Green Belts and Black Belts that work in a environment that can ultilize a lot 6 Sigma tools, but they don't.

Some of instructors live and swear by this stuff, its crazy.

I will just go through the course and see where it takes me, but I honestly feel that it is more/less just another resume bullet. There's no way in hell the human brain can remember all this shit, unless you are an instrustor or a Master BB.

I have heard from various industry sources that Raytheon is big on Six Sigma, not sure if thats true or not.[/quote:3oh143op]
Yes Raytheon is big time into it, a lot better at it than any other US land based company I know of.

I have my DMAIC Green Belt and I use some of the tools (ishakawi {sp}, 5 whys, pugh matrix). I will be getting my BB in a couple of years.

[quote="flarider":373ujw3x]Nah, figured I'd be lazy and piss you off by asking

Mission accomplished![/quote:373ujw3x]

Just affirms that you fit the typical no-it-all schema.

If I'm a know it all, why did I need to ask what it was?

Duh!

[quote="oldfart":2teyi6n3]$17 billion in savings in just over 20 years is pretty significant if you ask me.[/quote:2teyi6n3]That's one example. No telling how much of those savings/improvements would have occurred despite Six Sigma.

The money drain occurs when everybody jumps on the Six Sigma bandwagon, contracts Six Sigma consultants, hires Six Sigma coordinators, pays for Six Sigma training, and you have hundreds or thousands of employees mindlessly participating in this stuff.

I think process improvement and quality control is great...all well run businesses should be doing that. I just think this constant rebadging, reformulating, and retraining SPC, TQM, ISO9000, or whatever other past, present, future incarnations of this same concept is a giant waste of money. It's real simple, measure your performance and adjust as necessary. It helps to hire smart people.

[quote="Frogman":4nt3tqg7][quote="oldfart":4nt3tqg7]$17 billion in savings in just over 20 years is pretty significant if you ask me.[/quote:4nt3tqg7]That's one example. No telling how much of those savings/improvements would have occurred despite Six Sigma.

The money drain occurs when everybody jumps on the Six Sigma bandwagon, contracts Six Sigma consultants, hires Six Sigma coordinators, pays for Six Sigma training, and you have hundreds or thousands of employees mindlessly participating in this stuff.

I think process improvement and quality control is great...all well run businesses should be doing that. I just think this constant rebadging, reformulating, and retraining SPC, TQM, ISO9000, or whatever other past, present, future incarnations of this same concept is a giant waste of money. It's real simple, measure your performance and adjust as necessary. It helps to hire smart people.[/quote:4nt3tqg7]

I think Frogmans description pretty much nails it. Bunch of consultants who were fired from the same job you have because they could not cut it are now trying to tell you how to do said job that they could not do in the first place.

[quote="flarider":1rzew2m4]If I'm a know it all, why did I need to ask what it was?

Duh![/quote:1rzew2m4]


I haven't been directly involved Dave but, Have seen it operate. It is similar to a "keisan" or an "impact". It is a group of people that analze a production assembly system to try and cut cost and time it takes to build a part. They run time studys, change production line lay outs, and try and improve the cycle of operations to cut cost for that particular product and or manpower. It was a big deal about 4 or 5 years ago in the auto industry up this way.
It seems to have faded. As a matter of fact I saw one of the Black belts from our old shop working at Lowes in the electrical department a few months ago.

Correct me if I'm wrong anyone. Like I said I was on the outside looking in.

[quote="ACMYERS":31vwmgts][quote="flarider":31vwmgts]If I'm a know it all, why did I need to ask what it was?

Duh![/quote:31vwmgts]


I haven't been directly involved Dave but, Have seen it operate. It is similar to a "keisan" or an "impact". It is a group of people that analze a production assembly system to try and cut cost and time it takes to build a part. They run time studys, change production line lay outs, and try and improve the cycle of operations to cut cost for that particular product and or manpower. It was a big deal about 4 or 5 years ago in the auto industry up this way.
It seems to have faded. As a matter of fact I saw one of the Black belts from our old shop working at Lowes in the electrical department a few months ago.

Correct me if I'm wrong anyone. Like I said I was on the outside looking in.[/quote:31vwmgts]
Your right on what they are doing, the reason they fail is because most aren't taught to look at the big picture. Most companies do a Kaisan on a constraint within the whole production line to address quick wins. But if you are only looking at the constraint in the production line and you focus your efforts on reducing it what happens? you just blindly throw it onto the previous or following operation not really solving your problem. Most big companies that are successful at six sigma realize that, like Raytheon or Toyota. The big push you see now is for the Toyota Production System which encompasses Six Sigma but takes it even further. Toyota is willing to give their receipe out because they know that the companies will not have the Cultural pillar in the system and it will fail. Even if they do get past the Cultural aspect of the system Toyota is more advanced in the processes they do so they will always have a lead on their competition.

[quote="rubarb":1tmrzrtd]I have heard from various industry sources that Raytheon is big on Six Sigma, not sure if thats true or not.[/quote:1tmrzrtd]


I work for Raytheon, and yes they are hugely into it. I havent done the course yet but am dreading the day i have too. I might quit my job when i have to do the course lol

[quote="whitey":1ldnfsoi][quote="rubarb":1ldnfsoi]I have heard from various industry sources that Raytheon is big on Six Sigma, not sure if thats true or not.[/quote:1ldnfsoi]


I work for Raytheon, and yes they are hugely into it. I havent done the course yet but am dreading the day i have too. I might quit my job when i have to do the course lol[/quote:1ldnfsoi]
Whitey it isn't that bad and it will give you a huge leg up when looking for another job. I have looked outside my employer to keep a temperature of the market and have had no problems having people call me now and offering me jobs.

They use that in the same places they use the phrases "low hanging fruit" "synergies" "ramping up" "moving forward" and "quick win initiatives" " title="Laughing">


I do business with some companies that are into this shit. The one that comes to mind is probably the most unorganized operation I have ever seen. If they would quit "going to meetings" all day and go to work maybe they could get something done.

i put a sic sigma on the wife the other night

This stuff has been going on for decades. They take someone's model like Demings Total Quality Management or Taylor's scientific mangement, put a twist on it, rename it, and call it their own.