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I think racing in the 80s and early 90s was way better then it is now becouse you had guys that hated each other. You had Howerton and hannah, Hannah and Johnson, Johnson and who ever was in front of him, Ward and Omara , Bailey and Glover Bradshaw and Chicken all those guys hated each other. I know first hand that Omara bitterly hated Ward for about 3 years. Supercross has become bland except one dustup at St. Louise last year these guy all seem to love each other. I personally loved every minute of that Sorby Preston battle, hope it continues.
I think racing in the 80s and early 90s was way better then it is now becouse you had guys that hated each other. You had Howerton and hannah, Hannah and Johnson, Johnson and who ever was in front of him, Ward and Omara , Bailey and Glover Bradshaw and Chicken all those guys hated each other. I know first hand that Omara bitterly hated Ward for about 3 years. Supercross has become bland except one dustup at St. Louise last year these guy all seem to love each other. I personally loved every minute of that Sorby Preston battle, hope it continues.[/quote:2bs4uw2f]
Again, right on the mark.
Actually, you may want to check your own comprehension as I haven't complained at all, merely asked you what you consider acceptable riding. But you're afraid to answer it in this thread yet you complain about it in another.
I did state the obvious though, that you need some balance between how much contact you allow and how much you restrict. Don't feel bad Tiki, everyone else is afraid to admit it as well.
Ride? I rode Sunday practice at the Piru track a week ago. Probably one of three REAL motoheads out there on a 250 smoker. Guess you don't know shit about me.[/quote:2wejwd5t]
Actually no Im not sensitive, I posted a response to your question. You took that sentence out of context and ignored I said this is drama of racing. People rub, people hit. Im not afraid to admit malicious foul play should be clipped. Thats just safety. I have seen guys ghost ride their bike into other lanes out of anger to hit another rider. As you mentioned the other day. A good ol' punch to the face in the pits usually solves that. Its the sole reason people tune into racing. To see a wreck, a collision a pile up. Sadly to see who wins comes second to that.
Im happy to know you are out riding. That at least answers that question for me and I know now you at least respect what they are racing for. I have ridden Piru, it was called Lemon Grove, shortly after it was closed.
Sorry I don't know shit about you. You didn't send the memo out. Its been noted now.[/quote:2wejwd5t]
Well, so then it seems some rules are OK and it's not just a total-free-for-all ram fest.
That's about all I was saying but no one wanted to admit it. At one extreme you have a harmless block pass with some tiny amount of contact and at the other extreme you would have a total kakmikaze ghost ride, death ram take-out move unrelated to any sort of racing manuver. Somewhere in between the AMA has to draw the line.
It's kind of a thankless job for the AMA and Whitlock though. The factories aren't going to want to see some no talent "enforcer" go and ruin their shot at a title with cheap take-out moves on their high buck factory points leader ... the newbie fans and the TV director/audience want all the carnage they can get ( It's not by coincidence that the 30 second TV spots always feature a few train wrecks ) ... Live Nation probably wants as much action as they can get without any actual injuries dropping the marquee names out of the show ... the AMA is trying to please everyone but still is required to keep it all safe ... the riders are a mixed bag of old school and newer guys.
I was actually surprised to hear Shorty term Red Dog's riding dirty. Shorty needs to get mean, he's always been way too nice out there. At this point in his career, Ferry knows what is allowed and what isn't and it would be unusual for him to go over the line.
And you'll be happy to know I also put in plenty of laps on my friend's 08 YZ450 at Piru. Didn't care for it though. The power was just far too soft off the bottom.
Then there's that whole four-stroke "TANK" thing as well.
This is when you had to protect that inside line.
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Listen mister bitter, i have been racing long before you did and still practice every week and race on weekends wether i am in Brasil or in the USA. I have all the experiance and knowledge that anyone could ever have to make an informed decision or enter into a debate about this and many other subjects. You don't know who i am but if you did you would most definitely STFU and go away yourself..
My position it simple, we need rules and always have and one of the rules in this sport you seem to have forgotten are those that support sportsmanship when the riders do not have enough sense to realize what the meaning of that is. Everyone that races is not just a racer but a human being and therefor makes mistakes and sometimes things can get out of hand. I wonder what you would say if you had a son or daughter that was killed by another rider on track who used his or her bike as a weapon or after a heated race decided to hit your child in the back of the head with a shovel just to show who's boss and how tough he is...
Eat shite BM and go play someplace where being an ass is funny, your online personna is growing tiresome here.
Listen mister bitter, i have been racing long before you did and still practice every week and race on weekends wether i am in Brasil or in the USA. I have all the experiance and knowledge that anyone could ever have to make an informed decision or enter into a debate about this and many other subjects. You don't know who i am but if you did you would most definitely STFU and go away yourself..
My position it simple, we need rules and always have and one of the rules in this sport you seem to have forgotten are those that support sportsmanship when the riders do not have enough sense to realize what the meaning of that is. Everyone that races is not just a racer but a human being and therefor makes mistakes and sometimes things can get out of hand. I wonder what you would say if you had a son or daughter that was killed by another rider on track who used his or her bike as a weapon or after a heated race decided to hit your child in the back of the head with a shovel just to show who's boss and how tough he is...
Eat shite BM and go play someplace where being an ass is funny, your online personna is growing tiresome here.[/quote:zjtb4x89]
this dude must be inportant
[quote="raddad":5xmk17kz] You don't know who i am but if you did you would most definitely STFU and go away yourself.. [/quote:5xmk17kz]
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[quote="raddad":5xmk17kz] Eat shite BM and go play someplace where being an ass is funny, your online personna is growing tiresome here.[/quote:5xmk17kz]
While a pain in the ass, BobbyM is OG around here, he was here first.
still making friends I see
Boo f-ing hoo, it's motorcycle racing. I personally LOVE watching the guys block pass. It's much better than all of them going high in the corners and following each other around.
If you don't want to get blocked...protect your line.[/quote:el4j0p9i]
I agree.
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Hi Dean, yes i still don't care much for arrogant, over the top, non-centered people. If i cared about making him or those like him a friend then you would see me on here trying my hardest to make a rude or downright mean comments to each post i see or to take a negative and bitter look at life and all things in general.
I am always carefull as to whom i align myself with and so far its worked nicely. Like BL used to say "this place is good against evil, good never wins.." I happen to disagree
Oh and BTW i AGREE with Huck and his block passing dealio, he did not say "take the guy out" or "Go for his leg" He simply would like the same thing i said which is a little rubbin' and some block passing. Its the over the top attitude that some others display that i don't agree with, thats all.
[quote="OW38B":2f7lc0qh]All they can do anymore on the big four bangers is play "follow the leader". The "block pass" used to be a staple of racing.
This is when you had to protect that inside line.
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This is real moto here. You think Jimmy and Tony whined...heck no.
[size=200:wh482pth]Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb![/size:wh482pth] (Dark Helmet 1987)
[quote="OW38B":6dffihov]All they can do anymore on the big four bangers is play "follow the leader". The "block pass" used to be a staple of racing.
This is when you had to protect that inside line.
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This is real moto here. You think Jimmy and Tony whined...heck no.[/quote:6dffihov]
Hmmmm if you go back into old issues of Cycle News you will find plenty of whining!! Way more drama, pissing and moaning than today by the very riders you see here and many of the rest ! I lived those years and part of the fun was seeing what kind of shite they would spew about each other, the rules, the track, the factories they rode for and more. Things really have not changed that much other than most of todays riders are more carefull about what they say and to whom. Its a job and to some its very high paying, they all have a boss and/or sponsor so you hear less now than in the 70's-80's.
After racing and watching races inthe US and abroad since 72 i have seen what could be called overly aggressive riding come and go many times. Its like war, after people get hurt enough times they decide to play nice or are forced to by a sanctioning body enforcing rules then eventually someone comes along and stirs things up like JLaw or MA etc and we are back to the future once again. Whats new is old my friend
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