RV's crash and ATL highlight clip

Karma. What goes around comes around thats what he gets for uppercutting j-law

[quote="wpcjs":3i4b86as]Wow it is wierd how people can watch the same thing and come out of it with so many differant views, but here mine, Grant had about 1 sec. to think about what to do, I doubt he would risk his whole year by hitting RV, you guys act like he had enough time to process that A: its RV B: I can break his arms C: I can do all this and not get hurt.

I have came through a dust cloud on to a wreck and yes I gassed it hard trying to get over/through the mess when I knew I could not stop in time.[/quote:3i4b86as]
Its not like Grant was coming thru a set of whoops or a triple triple, he had plenty time to stop,and Everyone was rolling that section the whole race anyway.

Damn... You guys must have some hate for Grant or too much love for Villopoto. I was also at the race and there is no way Grant could have avoided contact. He was in the main line climbing up a straight up wall . It was either hit Villopoto's bike or come to a dead stop and wait for Villopoto to get out of the way. He took the main line and Villopoto didn't fall out of the way fast enough. To say that was intentional is crazy. Like was stated earlier, to be able to make that decision in half a second is not possible.

OK armchair racers....

I was sitting in the industry seats about 5 rows up from that very spot.
RV ran into the back of another guy in his heat and crashed exactly the same way.
In the main he did the same thing, rushed up the wall and slammed the guy ahead of him.
Grant came throught the sand and was on him immediately.

I was also in the FC pits after the race when Grant was asking if anybody knew how RV was.
It was not intentional, it was a racing incident.

Untwist your panties girls and pick another reason to bitch.

[quote="jndmx":16v16xq8]OK armchair racers....

I was sitting in the industry seats about 5 rows up from that very spot.
RV ran into the back of another guy in his heat and crashed exactly the same way.
In the main he did the same thing, rushed up the wall and slammed the guy ahead of him.
Grant came throught the sand and was on him immediately.

I was also in the FC pits after the race when Grant was asking if anybody knew how RV was.
It was not intentional, it was a racing incident.

Untwist your panties girls and pick another reason to bitch.[/quote:16v16xq8]
So did RV run the guy over too ? Probably not huh ! there is a difference between running into and running over.
Grants is a pussy, I really hope RV is ok and can return the favor.

Since you guys didn't see it on the clip, Grant crashed down the backside after hitting Villopoto.

[quote="kw859":oxu89esp]i was there...grant looked to me like he grabbed a handfull and tried to hurt villi...which he did. not cool at all in my book. i hope they look at the footage and take appropriate measures!!![/quote:oxu89esp]

I agree!! That looked intentional on Grant's part. That up/down obstacle and RV should've been in clear sight for Grant. That was an avoidable circumstance. But it also could be viewed as a mistake by Grant. But I don't think it was.

Wow thats just scary! I hope villy is ok and Grant did not do that on purpose. Idk about everyone else but screw the walls.

Funny that a rider just behind RV was able to avoid it, but JG didn't even hesitate....ripped RV's arms off the bars and he fell to the stadium floor. Could see if he were a wheel behind, but he wasn't that close. I like 'em both, but totally unnecesary to gas it right between RV/bike....
Thank you ocscottie for the vid.

I was sitting right there and it looked intentional to me. It looked like RV's arm broke on contact but I don't think it did. He really didn't have time or room to go around but should not have blasted into him like that. Just caught up in the moment and had to make a split decision, but it was the wrong one. Could've hurt him bad!

I have to go with intentional.He could have stopped and gone around to the left or something. Even just stopping for a moment, and losing 1 place would have been smarter. I think the only argument against intentional was the fact that he didn't run square over Vpo's body.

But he sure grabbed a big handful of throttle when he hit him.

Thanks ocscottie for tracking down the clip that everyone was dying to see!

Unintentional.

Accident for sure. At first view my thought was Grant thought he could blip it and get past RVs bike before it fell into him, but RV was still hanging on. Just racing.

[quote="T-Fish123":3g61nm91]Unintentional.[/quote:3g61nm91]

Why is it that grants back tire is spinning out, throttle held WFO, split seconds after he slams into villo? You can clearly see that grant is staring at villo when right as he enters the cameras shot. If he wanted miss him he would have locked up the brakes. He might still have hit him, but he definentely wouldnt have rocketed straight through him. That to me was a punk assed move. I'm surprise villo didn't get seriously hurt from that.

[quote="Todder":kdw7d678]Accident for sure. At first view my thought was Grant thought he could blip it and get past RVs bike before it fell into him, but RV was still hanging on. Just racing.[/quote:kdw7d678]

That was my take on it as well - he made a judgement call and it turned out to be a bad one. I'm sure he saw him, but it looked to me like his other option would have been to brake quick and either not make it over the wall himself or stall the bike, and instead he figured that RV would roll out of the way since he had to know people were behind him.

wow.....it looked like he tried to bust through him for sure.

intentionally, unintentional

I don’t think Grant thought “hey, I can injure Villopoto if I plow through.” He got there and made a split-second decision that plowing through with disregard for Villopoto gave him a better chance of staying upright and going forward than trying to stop and possibly fall over on that steep face. Maybe he would have had time to swerve over, but he would have just as likely moved into someone else’s line behind him and caused a problem.

Believe me, I think plowing through was the wrong decision because it really could have really hurt Villopoto, but I don’t think it was an intentional action aimed at hurting another rider.

At any rate, Villopoto is no Saint. Remember when he went way out of his way to put Alessi on the ground and then made this comment: “After all of the trouble he and his dad gave me in my amateur days, I just gave him a little love tap," Villopoto said on the podium. "That's all."

What’s that saying? Live by the sword, get injured by the sword?

[quote="Darth Fader":3p265o14]I don’t think Grant thought “hey, I can injure Villopoto if I plow through.” He got there and made a split-second decision that plowing through with disregard for Villopoto gave him a better chance of staying upright and going forward than trying to stop and possibly fall over on that steep face. Maybe he would have had time to swerve over, but he would have just as likely moved into someone else’s line behind him and caused a problem.

Believe me, I think plowing through was the wrong decision because it really could have really hurt Villopoto, but I don’t think it was an intentional action aimed at hurting another rider.

At any rate, Villopoto is no Saint. Remember when he went way out of his way to put Alessi on the ground and then made this comment: “After all of the trouble he and his dad gave me in my amateur days, I just gave him a little love tap," Villopoto said on the podium. "That's all."

What’s that saying? Live by the sword, get injured by the sword?[/quote:3p265o14]

yep

I was there. That spot was giving a lot of guys a hard time, but especially VIllopoto. That's the same spot he fell in his heat race. There was a whoop section, right hander and very short straight just before getting to that obstacle. No way Grant did intentionally, he had to grab some throttle to make it up that hill. Villopoto fell twice in the same spot. It's his fault as much as anyones.

BTW, what is the name of those obstacles. It's looks like the only purpose is to slow the speeds. There was also one in the middle of the whoop section. I am not a fan of these things. Many other accidents narrowly avoided.

[quote="acpepper":38whoe1y]I was there. That spot was giving a lot of guys a hard time, but especially VIllopoto. That's the same spot he fell in his heat race. There was a whoop section, right hander and very short straight just before getting to that obstacle. No way Grant did intentionally, he had to grab some throttle to make it up that hill. Villopoto fell twice in the same spot. It's his fault as much as anyones.

BTW, what is the name of those obstacles. It's looks like the only purpose is to slow the speeds. There was also one in the middle of the whoop section. I am not a fan of these things. Many other accidents narrowly avoided.[/quote:38whoe1y]

it was called a "wall"......they hurt when you hit them to hard!

[quote="jndmx":1nnj93em]OK armchair racers....

I was sitting in the industry seats about 5 rows up from that very spot.
RV ran into the back of another guy in his heat and crashed exactly the same way.
In the main he did the same thing, rushed up the wall and slammed the guy ahead of him.
Grant came throught the sand and was on him immediately.

I was also in the FC pits after the race when Grant was asking if anybody knew how RV was.
It was not intentional, it was a racing incident.

Untwist your panties girls and pick another reason to bitch.[/quote:1nnj93em]


My question to you is, how do I get in the pits [u:1nnj93em]after[/u:1nnj93em] the race? I have yet to be able to accomplish that.

Wow, unbelievable responses. Calling for karma. Poto's never done anything intentional or questionable . Looks like he got his karma.

I dont think Grant was wanting to run him over to put him out of the race or season. I do think he could of taken an different line as he did have time. I was there and watched it as it happened as I was watching Villo and Izzi chasing each other, as I have stated. Grant was a few seconds back of them.

After the whoops was a straight with a, humm...ditch or something, before the wall. I would say that from the corner to the wall was at least 40 feet or a little more. When Villo went down on top of the wall, Grant was just coming out of the whoops and making the corner on the gas, in that one line that everyone else was taking to get up that wall. By the time Villo was making his attempt to get back up to his bike, Grant reached the "ditch" and you saw the rest on that video. Being there watching it in real life time, it looked as though Grant could have avoided it. Karma is a bitch for everyone but, if these guys want to give someone some "Love" on the tracks, it should be done while cornering or something where the other person wont get hurt.

We will never know unless put in that position what we would have done but looking at it, it just seems like it shouldn't of happened.

My .02. These guys are going FAST. Way fast, all the time. The amount of time that Grant had to evaluate the situation after he recognized a downed rider was very small. I figure he knew if he let off and tried to brake, he'd end up crashing behind Villopoto. Then he'd loose lots of time. If he gassed it and tried to jump the bike/rider and go off the back side he MIGHT make it out without crashing. It didn't work out that way. Too bad it was Villopoto.

so everyone at the race must have sat in the same seat

Some pretty goony responses here I must say. I think Josh tried to hit the gap between Ryan and his bike. It was a judgement call, Ryan appeared to be falling away and towards the edge of the track. But he just kind of stopped, and never let go of the bike, and Josh was already there. It was boneheaded but not intentional or dirty I believe.

[quote="Adam43":3hi8qxk0]Some pretty goony responses here I must say. I think Josh tried to hit the gap between Ryan and his bike. It was a judgement call, Ryan appeared to be falling away and towards the edge of the track. But he just kind of stopped, and never let go of the bike, and Josh was already there. It was boneheaded but not intentional or dirty I believe.[/quote:3hi8qxk0]

I'm thinking he might even have thought by gassing it he might get a little pop and seat bounce or wheelie a little bit to help clear over some of the gap between RV and his bike? Not a good enough view from that clip though. You just can't see any of Grant's approach from the previous corner and I can't even tell if there was any little bump for him to have pre-loaded off of.

It's hard to think he was not able to have done ANY sort of a last second panic brake if he had wanted to though.

Any injury status on RV today?

[quote="Adam43":23ka76gu]Some pretty goony responses here I must say. I think Josh tried to hit the "GAP" between Ryan and his bike. It was a judgement call, Ryan appeared to be falling away and towards the edge of the track. But he just kind of stopped, and never let go of the bike, and Josh was already there. It was boneheaded but not intentional or dirty I believe.[/quote:23ka76gu]"GAP"?