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backinthesaddleagain 4/9/2016 12:00pm
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Who knows what he is riding with. Maybe the teams do provide health insurance. Idk. I'd bet most the privateers can barely afford to be there...
Who knows what he is riding with. Maybe the teams do provide health insurance. Idk. I'd bet most the privateers can barely afford to be there, and don't have insurance. Maybe obamacare covers them. The point is that feld and.mxsports should, and require all the teams and riders to either pay some portion, or even dip into tight margins and pay for it, and recover it via gate fees, higher merchandising costs, etc
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If a rider, pro or not, doesn't have health insurance they shouldn't get on a bike. It really is that simple.
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Yup. Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes. We all know the risk of throwing a leg over our bikes. If you're not insured, don't ride. If...
Yup.
Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.
We all know the risk of throwing a leg over our bikes. If you're not insured, don't ride. If you do, and get hurt, suck it up, and don't ask for hand outs.
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backinthesaddleagain 4/9/2016 12:01pm
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stuff like this makes me sick. the kids lived the life of riley....never worked a day in his life and is begging for money....fuck that. ever...
stuff like this makes me sick. the kids lived the life of riley....never worked a day in his life and is begging for money....fuck that. ever been to a children's hospital and seen the parents sleeping in their car in the parking lot for months because they can't afford a hotel.....that's where my cash goes off every check!!! get a job brittle bones!
Agreed
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It's really quite simple. Either give the kid some cash or go your merry way. I'm sure it's very humbling to have to ask for help in the first place. Anyone been to a hospital lately, or specialist?
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hammertime wrote:
stuff like this makes me sick. the kids lived the life of riley....never worked a day in his life and is begging for money....fuck that. ever...
stuff like this makes me sick. the kids lived the life of riley....never worked a day in his life and is begging for money....fuck that. ever been to a children's hospital and seen the parents sleeping in their car in the parking lot for months because they can't afford a hotel.....that's where my cash goes off every check!!! get a job brittle bones!
I wouldn't be quite as harsh as he comes across with his opinion, but I have to agree with hammer here......

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tmx860 4/9/2016 12:10pm
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Maybe Zach should become a doctor so he can get money back
backinthesaddleagain 4/9/2016 12:13pm
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Ing wrote:
It's really quite simple. Either give the kid some cash or go your merry way. I'm sure it's very humbling to have to ask for help...

It's really quite simple. Either give the kid some cash or go your merry way. I'm sure it's very humbling to have to ask for help in the first place. Anyone been to a hospital lately, or specialist?
Yes and yes. And every year my premiums, copays and deductibles go up. But I pay them and am glad to be covered. And what about his parents. Do they work. Maybe he can be under their plan. Mine are to 26.
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Any professional sport that can't cover the injury repairs to its athletes should be shut down in my opinion. I don't think they should be covered...
Any professional sport that can't cover the injury repairs to its athletes should be shut down in my opinion. I don't think they should be covered for practicing( leave that for the teams) but at events, if u are injured for any reason while the stadium and feld make money, that should be part of the cost. 5 bux more per ticket or something. Hell the damn beer is 11 bux, and the guy selling it for them has workman's comp for when he is there right? So too should every rider. Esp the privateers
Riders will abuse that system. I know of riders who have got hurt practicing and then go to the medic on race day, fill in a report and them claim through race insurance. That is in my country.
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I'm probably the biggest fan of the sport of anybody. I've done it all, seen it all, donated money to racers where I have seen fit...
I'm probably the biggest fan of the sport of anybody. I've done it all, seen it all, donated money to racers where I have seen fit! but why the fuck would I need to love everything. That's downright stupid !
Just not a fan of a fallen brethren asking for help?

"but why the fuck would I need to love everything. That's downright stupid !"......Stay on topic. While that's an understandable question, it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Considering MX is a sport where heart means everything....there's a lot of heartless posters in this forum!
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Premixed112 4/9/2016 12:23pm
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I don't know much about this kid. I only know about him from that one big crash he had where he pretty much fell off the side of the bike mid air over a triple and his segment on one of the MOTO movies. But why are some of you making it sound like he's been at it for years and should just "give it up already" or "racing isn't for you"? Am I wrong or wasn't his rookie season a couple years ago?

I'm really surprised to see mx fans telling essentially a newcomer to the pro leagues to hang up the boots after a little bump in the road.. The kid's still young, he can come back. And God damn, how about dialing back the bootstraps talk.. Have you not ever needed help for anything? I just really am not understanding the harshness in this thread..
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colintrax 4/9/2016 12:39pm
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Are yall older than 14? Do you know how expensive copays get when you're at the doctor constantly? You hit a limit eventually, but fuck it takes forever to get there. And everyday he's at the doctor, or physical therapist is a day he can't work. And how far do you really think 50k goes? That's a great salary for a single man assuming he makes it EVERY year. Maybe yall just wanted him to tell you everything he's done to try and avoid asking for money, but maybe. Just maybe. It ain't your business, and just the same as he doesn't have to disclose his situation, you don't have to donate.

Keep your negative shit to yourself and go on with your day.
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colintrax wrote:
Are yall older than 14? Do you know how expensive copays get when you're at the doctor constantly? You hit a limit eventually, but fuck it...
Are yall older than 14? Do you know how expensive copays get when you're at the doctor constantly? You hit a limit eventually, but fuck it takes forever to get there. And everyday he's at the doctor, or physical therapist is a day he can't work. And how far do you really think 50k goes? That's a great salary for a single man assuming he makes it EVERY year. Maybe yall just wanted him to tell you everything he's done to try and avoid asking for money, but maybe. Just maybe. It ain't your business, and just the same as he doesn't have to disclose his situation, you don't have to donate.

Keep your negative shit to yourself and go on with your day.
I think some peoples point is there are other options for income. Just because you are great at riding a dirtbike doesn't mean your only option in life is to incure medical bill after medical bill (you can't manage unfortunately) to pursue that one goal of "making it".
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LungButter 4/9/2016 12:55pm
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Ing wrote:
It's really quite simple. Either give the kid some cash or go your merry way. I'm sure it's very humbling to have to ask for help...

It's really quite simple. Either give the kid some cash or go your merry way. I'm sure it's very humbling to have to ask for help in the first place. Anyone been to a hospital lately, or specialist?
Yep, my kid spent 8 days in the hospital last year with an infection, 2 surgeries, several specialists in the room every day and probably 20 follow up visits since then...it was EXPENSIVE, I sucked it up and paid what the insurance didn't cover.

To even get this far in this sport, his parents have dumped probably hundreds of thousands of dollars into it, bikes, parts, gear, training facilities, travel, etc. etc. etc. So, there was apparently money to burn at some point, but now that he's hurt, they have no money? I find that fairly hard to believe. And if they don't have any money because they blew it all getting him to this point? That was a stupid decision and I still have no sympathy.

Sorry, maybe I'm harsh, but I'm not a fan of the "handout society" that America is becoming.

If you can't afford to pay the bills that your hobby (career is a stretch for 95% of the guys who "make it") creates, don't do it!
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colintrax wrote:
Are yall older than 14? Do you know how expensive copays get when you're at the doctor constantly? You hit a limit eventually, but fuck it...
Are yall older than 14? Do you know how expensive copays get when you're at the doctor constantly? You hit a limit eventually, but fuck it takes forever to get there. And everyday he's at the doctor, or physical therapist is a day he can't work. And how far do you really think 50k goes? That's a great salary for a single man assuming he makes it EVERY year. Maybe yall just wanted him to tell you everything he's done to try and avoid asking for money, but maybe. Just maybe. It ain't your business, and just the same as he doesn't have to disclose his situation, you don't have to donate.

Keep your negative shit to yourself and go on with your day.
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I think some peoples point is there are other options for income. Just because you are great at riding a dirtbike doesn't mean your only option...
I think some peoples point is there are other options for income. Just because you are great at riding a dirtbike doesn't mean your only option in life is to incure medical bill after medical bill (you can't manage unfortunately) to pursue that one goal of "making it".
How was Zach supposed to know he'd get hurt? Was he supposed to just never race because he might get seriously hurt, even though he was a top rider coming out of amateurs and had a ride offered to him? Maybe he will hang up the boots and get a job when hes healed up? Who knows? The kid had a factory ride, gets hurt, now is asking for help because he can't afford it. People are acting like its Stewart, Dungey, Roczen or Villopoto asking for money (you know, the guys who actually make great money.) Theres some really butt hurt people in here.
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colintrax 4/9/2016 1:21pm
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colintrax wrote:
Are yall older than 14? Do you know how expensive copays get when you're at the doctor constantly? You hit a limit eventually, but fuck it...
Are yall older than 14? Do you know how expensive copays get when you're at the doctor constantly? You hit a limit eventually, but fuck it takes forever to get there. And everyday he's at the doctor, or physical therapist is a day he can't work. And how far do you really think 50k goes? That's a great salary for a single man assuming he makes it EVERY year. Maybe yall just wanted him to tell you everything he's done to try and avoid asking for money, but maybe. Just maybe. It ain't your business, and just the same as he doesn't have to disclose his situation, you don't have to donate.

Keep your negative shit to yourself and go on with your day.
seth505 wrote:
I think some peoples point is there are other options for income. Just because you are great at riding a dirtbike doesn't mean your only option...
I think some peoples point is there are other options for income. Just because you are great at riding a dirtbike doesn't mean your only option in life is to incure medical bill after medical bill (you can't manage unfortunately) to pursue that one goal of "making it".
And that's fine, there's plenty of ways for him to have an income. I know he does a riding school. But we don't know his situation, maybe hes been working but his parents are sick and he's got to take care of them as well. If people don't wanna donate that's fine, I'm not donating because I don't know if he's done (or tried) anything other than the riding school. I'll gladly give him some cash if he can say he's been trying to make it without asking for help. However I'm not gonna bash the guy on the Internet when I don't even know what's going on in his life.
I wish him the best and everyone else should too.
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He only gets $50,000 worth...



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bad juju 4/9/2016 1:31pm
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Pretty sure these guys are considered independent contractors. They provide their own health and life insurance along with being 1099ed. Don't understand how he could be uninsured in his line of work. Strange to me. Race on!
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h&m_cycle wrote:
He only gets $50,000 worth... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/04/09/131016/s1200_Capture.jpg[/img]
He only gets $50,000 worth...



Yes.....the 50k covers any deductible he would have.

As a subcontractor he could be covered by having work men's comp or by having a policy to cover owners of a business or by his parents until he was 26 or by Obama care.

He could also purchase supplemental insurance for lost wages if he was hurt......cheap
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KennyT 4/9/2016 2:10pm
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I save my go find me donations for illness and tragedy. Not pros who ride over their heads and face plant every other week. The kid has unbelievable talent but if you have to ride that far over your head to try and be up front then maybe it is time to wrap things up before he kills himself.

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kkawboy14 4/9/2016 2:15pm
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Some harsh stuff in here for sure.

I don't fund these guys anymore because they don't do what they need to do to help each other.

Some type of riders association, Union, Self insured fund, disability coop,.....something!
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Money on the way for Zach... He will not be the first rider we have helped, and he will not be the last. Honestly I just look at it as helping a fellow rider out... like changing a tire on his bike, doing a top end, hell just cleaning the mud off his bike between motos. Was always happy to do it and thought nothing of it.
Good Luck to Zach, keep your chin up, heal up and get after it!!!
Pay every one back with huge holeshots and DO NOT let off till after the checkered flag!
Ok I am going to go get into the stadium now.
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i think that people these days need to be aware that Gofundme will accept almost any campaign. Kids can set up a gofundme if they want a new phone. The model has changed a bit and is not just for deserving causes and projects.

You just need to do your research before you donate with all charities - in the modern era where companies raise funds on behalf of worthy causes but only hand over a percentage of the donations. I have heard of some keeping 90% with only 10% going to the charity.
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seth505 4/9/2016 2:34pm
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colintrax wrote:
Are yall older than 14? Do you know how expensive copays get when you're at the doctor constantly? You hit a limit eventually, but fuck it...
Are yall older than 14? Do you know how expensive copays get when you're at the doctor constantly? You hit a limit eventually, but fuck it takes forever to get there. And everyday he's at the doctor, or physical therapist is a day he can't work. And how far do you really think 50k goes? That's a great salary for a single man assuming he makes it EVERY year. Maybe yall just wanted him to tell you everything he's done to try and avoid asking for money, but maybe. Just maybe. It ain't your business, and just the same as he doesn't have to disclose his situation, you don't have to donate.

Keep your negative shit to yourself and go on with your day.
seth505 wrote:
I think some peoples point is there are other options for income. Just because you are great at riding a dirtbike doesn't mean your only option...
I think some peoples point is there are other options for income. Just because you are great at riding a dirtbike doesn't mean your only option in life is to incure medical bill after medical bill (you can't manage unfortunately) to pursue that one goal of "making it".
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And that's fine, there's plenty of ways for him to have an income. I know he does a riding school. But we don't know his situation...
And that's fine, there's plenty of ways for him to have an income. I know he does a riding school. But we don't know his situation, maybe hes been working but his parents are sick and he's got to take care of them as well. If people don't wanna donate that's fine, I'm not donating because I don't know if he's done (or tried) anything other than the riding school. I'll gladly give him some cash if he can say he's been trying to make it without asking for help. However I'm not gonna bash the guy on the Internet when I don't even know what's going on in his life.
I wish him the best and everyone else should too.
Agreed, I was just summarizing an outlook that I think some people had (but they said it in a harsher way). Definitely wish him the best, deciding a path is never easy.
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How was Zach supposed to know he'd get hurt? Was he supposed to just never race because he might get seriously hurt, even though he was...
How was Zach supposed to know he'd get hurt? Was he supposed to just never race because he might get seriously hurt, even though he was a top rider coming out of amateurs and had a ride offered to him? Maybe he will hang up the boots and get a job when hes healed up? Who knows? The kid had a factory ride, gets hurt, now is asking for help because he can't afford it. People are acting like its Stewart, Dungey, Roczen or Villopoto asking for money (you know, the guys who actually make great money.) Theres some really butt hurt people in here.
I guess everyone with insurance can predict the future...
...or just have common sense.
He knew the risk, and he took it.
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Instead of a go fund me how about get a job
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Everyone at his level knows what they are signing up for. If he can't afford it then he has a choice to make for himself. 1 he can get a regular job like 99.999% of us on this forum who bleed moto but realized it just wasn't in the cards for us. 2 he can scrounge around for whatever he can to live his dream as a pro motocross racer. It's his choice to make. Would he fund me to live my dream job? Idk. We know the success rate of this sport. I'm gonna guess he does to. And in all sincerity I hope he has a great recovery and is 100% healthy afterwards. I may not fund a moto guy for trying to make a career in it. However I'd never want anything bad to come for a moto guy either.
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Premixed112 4/9/2016 4:14pm
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Money wrote:
Instead of a go fund me how about get a job
His job is racing
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Money wrote:
Instead of a go fund me how about get a job
Premixed112 wrote:
His job is racing
He needs to get another job then. If the job you have requires you to start a go fund me account then something is not working out. If my job as an electrician cannot pay for my lifestyle then I look for something that will. We live in a real world with real things. It's called reality and simple math.
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Jeremy200 wrote:
i think that people these days need to be aware that Gofundme will accept almost any campaign. Kids can set up a gofundme if they want...
i think that people these days need to be aware that Gofundme will accept almost any campaign. Kids can set up a gofundme if they want a new phone. The model has changed a bit and is not just for deserving causes and projects.

You just need to do your research before you donate with all charities - in the modern era where companies raise funds on behalf of worthy causes but only hand over a percentage of the donations. I have heard of some keeping 90% with only 10% going to the charity.
nfl/breast cancer month garbage

8% earned on nfl merchandise ends up going to cancer research.


...............

this gofundme is interesting to look at but damn. If you're a pro and you can't scrap together 8gs? I can't comprehend that.

i err on the side of thinking that it's easier to reach for a handout than spend your own.
BiggieSmall373 4/9/2016 7:21pm
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They should pay for that too. Heaven forbid the rich man's precious profits be reduced in any way.
gsxr6 is a typical Bernie Sanders supporter. Woohoo
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Premixed112 wrote:
His job is racing
If his job can't pay his bills, he should probably get a new one.

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