FCR Suspension or other?

BranGean
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Edited Date/Time 1/9/2019 3:51am
I'm looking to get a revalve and different springs. FCR is closest to where I live, next is Pro Action and the farthest is MPR. Has anyone had any experiences with these companies? Good or bad please let me know.
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3/21/2016 4:35pm
I have met/spoken with many of Jeff at MPR's customers and everyone of them has been extremely impressed with the way they have been treated and the work done. Some of the Race Tech technicians have seen some of his installs and they all looked clean and professional as well. Jeff has access to everything Race Tech does as far as R&D, testing, settings and builds a lot of suspension. He would come highly recommended from my experiences.
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Fantasy
3/21/2016 5:10pm
if your that close to all of them then I say pr2
gasser303
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3/21/2016 5:45pm
Jeff @ MPR is top notch, great service and he stands behind his work. If you are not satisfied with the setup he will adjust to satisfy your needs.
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3/21/2016 5:49pm
X3 for Jeff at MPR. I have his stuff on both of my bikes and love it.

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Tonycar107
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3/21/2016 5:57pm
I grew up riding with him. I would choose MPR.
3/21/2016 6:08pm
mpr website says discount coming soon on gold valves? under specials tab.
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3/21/2016 7:09pm
mpr website says discount coming soon on gold valves? under specials tab.
don't know about any other companies other than Factory Connection which I would heartily endorse. great professionalism from contact to end result
3/21/2016 7:17pm Edited Date/Time 3/21/2016 7:20pm



FCR. Tell bob in east Liverpool Porgie sent you. He will hook you up. Guaranteed. Parts made in-house on the CNC Machines. The stuff works. Not discounting anyone else, just giving you a fair endorsement of a company I've used since the 90s when he was out of his tiny garage. He's come a long way from that garage to building a franchise shop that focuses on quality. Bob Luketic has put the American Dream to work.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/03/21/128824/s1200_image.jpg[/img] FCR. Tell bob in east Liverpool Porgie sent you. He will hook you up. Guaranteed. Parts made in-house on the CNC Machines. The stuff works...



FCR. Tell bob in east Liverpool Porgie sent you. He will hook you up. Guaranteed. Parts made in-house on the CNC Machines. The stuff works. Not discounting anyone else, just giving you a fair endorsement of a company I've used since the 90s when he was out of his tiny garage. He's come a long way from that garage to building a franchise shop that focuses on quality. Bob Luketic has put the American Dream to work.
nice wagon holmes!! hubs look sik!!
usp4u
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3/21/2016 8:29pm
PR2 should be fairly close to you as well.
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3/21/2016 11:14pm
Billy at Powerband Racing has been top notch for riders on 50's all the way to 450's. When you send it, you actually get him doing your stuff and not just a tech throwing shims together. He has his own machining equipment to custom build anything he needs and does a ton of testing to get solid results. I don't trust our stuff with anyone else.
3/22/2016 3:48am Edited Date/Time 1/9/2019 3:50am
Insider347
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3/22/2016 4:17am
Factory Connection stuff has always been great for me. Getting ready to send them my WP forks.
david225
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3/22/2016 4:34am
Jeff at MPR is a great guy. Went to him and he made it seem like I had known him for years. A real genuine and caring businessman. I am more than happy with the business and the product. I would recommend him to anyone. I have also gone through pr2 and Pro Action, and while I didn't have a problem with either experience, I felt I was just another paycheck for those guys.
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3/22/2016 5:22am Edited Date/Time 3/22/2016 5:24am
I see you're up near Cadiz. I live down near Logan and I had Jay at JDPerformance do mine. Turned out great for me. I give him a thumbs up. I've also had Race Tech do stuff for me in the past, no complaints there either.
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3/22/2016 10:11am
screw FCR and bob.. Copy of my rank from TT. want to add I live in Japan shipping should not take more than 2 weeks TOPS...

Where to begin... I used this company in 2011, They offered a good deal at the time (military discount). I sent my stuff off when my riding season ended in mid December. I did not get my stuff back until march 2012. I did not think much of it at the time. Got the stuff on my bike and my bike was fantastic. I had nothing but good things to say about this company at that time.. the work they did was really good. this was a 09 YZ250F

In Dec 2012 I sent my head to them for port & polish new valves all that stuff. I did not receive it back until April 2013. 4 months for head work. Bob's Excuse was their email servers were changed and stuff was messed up. So it was just another shipping issue to me. nothing wrong with work quality.. wish I stopped doing business with them at that time.

This is when the big problems started. I sent my suspension to them again for my 2014 YZ450F in feb 2014 . They were to re-spring, re-valve, change internals out with their "works parts" They were going to hook my stuff up again like my '09. The one thing I asked for specifically was Blue FCR stickers. (I know stickers big deal)

I get an email back March 5 from bob asking my weight and cc info. I also asked him what they were doing to my stuff his reply "Everything man. I need your billing zip code. Works pistons. Spring seats. Pressure springs. Main springs. Sub valve mods. Shock piston. Shock base plate. Shock bleed jet. Etc etc."

I did not hear anything back from him about sending my stuff. so I asked about it 2 April. his reply. "Hey mark. Sorry man we've Been busy as &%$#@!. Ill check and see if they shipped it. I was waiting for those blue decals for ya. They may have came and they put them on and shipped. Ill find out when I go in buddy" I was also told them broke something internal on my forks and were waiting on new parts, and also they were busy at nationals.

So I finally received my stuff 10 May. About 3 months turn around time. first thing I saw when I opened the box was big ass YELLOW FCR stickers, the one item I asked not to have and what they told me was holding up the shipping. The forks and shock still had dirt on them from when I shipped them and I am 99% positive the rear shock spring was not changed out. Still had the Yamaha OEM blue spring. The shock spring on my 09 said FCR on it. No OEM parts were shipped back to me, so I am convinced they never did anything to my stuff and basically took my money.

when I rode my bike the suspension was softer than it was stock. My bike was bottoming out over little doubles and riding like shit. To this day I still do not know exactly what they did if anything. I ended up buying new fork and shock springs for my weight and had them put on by a local mechanic. Needless to say the bike felt 10x better. When I questioned them on the work this was the response. Guy named Matt.

"Hey brother, I looked into this situation. Bob was completely unaware this happened. He is going to message you and take this over personally. We did have a recent shitbag working for us for a few months and he was terminated for lack of work ethic. I’m not completely dismissing any of this on him but we want to fix the situation and make you more than happy with the service you paid for! As I said before Bob will be messaging you if you don’t hear from him 24hrs please let me know. He again wants to get you taken care of personally!

Thanks for your patience!"


The pic I added showed how far down my shock was when setting my sag after they "resprung" it for my weight. They ended up sending me a new shock spring but it was worse. That's when I gave up with them and took my loss. Stopped asking them what their deal was. They asked if I wanted to be on their "military appreciation page" haha man I really hope they are out of business.

My advice is do not speak to these guys again or give them business of any kind.. go find a real company with good reviews and solid reputation. I still never got an invoice for the work "they did". I gave up and took it as a loss.. I did not want to spend another $100+ is shipping and take the chance of being screwed over again and not having my stuff back for another 3 months.

Guy I ride with also got dicked around by these clowns on taking forever to ship and also had to change his springs out as well.

Got my suspension taken care of in Japan by Technix which is a sister company of MX-Tech.. Night and day difference. worth every penny..




3/22/2016 11:07am Edited Date/Time 3/22/2016 11:09am
drenmaster wrote:
screw FCR and bob.. Copy of my rank from TT. want to add I live in Japan shipping should not take more than 2 weeks TOPS...
screw FCR and bob.. Copy of my rank from TT. want to add I live in Japan shipping should not take more than 2 weeks TOPS...

Where to begin... I used this company in 2011, They offered a good deal at the time (military discount). I sent my stuff off when my riding season ended in mid December. I did not get my stuff back until march 2012. I did not think much of it at the time. Got the stuff on my bike and my bike was fantastic. I had nothing but good things to say about this company at that time.. the work they did was really good. this was a 09 YZ250F

In Dec 2012 I sent my head to them for port & polish new valves all that stuff. I did not receive it back until April 2013. 4 months for head work. Bob's Excuse was their email servers were changed and stuff was messed up. So it was just another shipping issue to me. nothing wrong with work quality.. wish I stopped doing business with them at that time.

This is when the big problems started. I sent my suspension to them again for my 2014 YZ450F in feb 2014 . They were to re-spring, re-valve, change internals out with their "works parts" They were going to hook my stuff up again like my '09. The one thing I asked for specifically was Blue FCR stickers. (I know stickers big deal)

I get an email back March 5 from bob asking my weight and cc info. I also asked him what they were doing to my stuff his reply "Everything man. I need your billing zip code. Works pistons. Spring seats. Pressure springs. Main springs. Sub valve mods. Shock piston. Shock base plate. Shock bleed jet. Etc etc."

I did not hear anything back from him about sending my stuff. so I asked about it 2 April. his reply. "Hey mark. Sorry man we've Been busy as &%$#@!. Ill check and see if they shipped it. I was waiting for those blue decals for ya. They may have came and they put them on and shipped. Ill find out when I go in buddy" I was also told them broke something internal on my forks and were waiting on new parts, and also they were busy at nationals.

So I finally received my stuff 10 May. About 3 months turn around time. first thing I saw when I opened the box was big ass YELLOW FCR stickers, the one item I asked not to have and what they told me was holding up the shipping. The forks and shock still had dirt on them from when I shipped them and I am 99% positive the rear shock spring was not changed out. Still had the Yamaha OEM blue spring. The shock spring on my 09 said FCR on it. No OEM parts were shipped back to me, so I am convinced they never did anything to my stuff and basically took my money.

when I rode my bike the suspension was softer than it was stock. My bike was bottoming out over little doubles and riding like shit. To this day I still do not know exactly what they did if anything. I ended up buying new fork and shock springs for my weight and had them put on by a local mechanic. Needless to say the bike felt 10x better. When I questioned them on the work this was the response. Guy named Matt.

"Hey brother, I looked into this situation. Bob was completely unaware this happened. He is going to message you and take this over personally. We did have a recent shitbag working for us for a few months and he was terminated for lack of work ethic. I’m not completely dismissing any of this on him but we want to fix the situation and make you more than happy with the service you paid for! As I said before Bob will be messaging you if you don’t hear from him 24hrs please let me know. He again wants to get you taken care of personally!

Thanks for your patience!"


The pic I added showed how far down my shock was when setting my sag after they "resprung" it for my weight. They ended up sending me a new shock spring but it was worse. That's when I gave up with them and took my loss. Stopped asking them what their deal was. They asked if I wanted to be on their "military appreciation page" haha man I really hope they are out of business.

My advice is do not speak to these guys again or give them business of any kind.. go find a real company with good reviews and solid reputation. I still never got an invoice for the work "they did". I gave up and took it as a loss.. I did not want to spend another $100+ is shipping and take the chance of being screwed over again and not having my stuff back for another 3 months.

Guy I ride with also got dicked around by these clowns on taking forever to ship and also had to change his springs out as well.

Got my suspension taken care of in Japan by Technix which is a sister company of MX-Tech.. Night and day difference. worth every penny..




Well let's see give bob a chance to defend himself. I've been in that shop and they run a tight ship. That's a real odd story you have. And they also will perform any service right in front of you...
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drenmaster
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3/22/2016 11:23am
Well let's see give bob a chance to defend himself. I've been in that shop and they run a tight ship. That's a real odd story...
Well let's see give bob a chance to defend himself. I've been in that shop and they run a tight ship. That's a real odd story you have. And they also will perform any service right in front of you...
I was really happy with them the first time I sent my stuff to them. That's why I sent it back when I got my new bike. But it was just excuse after excuse from bad workers to waiting on stickers or they broke something and way to long turn around time. I just had enough with them.. and the fact that I got my stuff back dirty with no old parts.. dropping a lot of money on something and getting horrible results with a run around just made me give up and take it as a loss..

you may very well have excellent service from them, I just wanted to share my experience.
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3/22/2016 11:52am
I used Bob at FCR Suspension on my previous 3 bikes and have nothing but good things to say about his service and the product that was returned to me.

I had a bit of trouble getting my crf450 air forks to work at all stock, after getting them done by Bob they were some of the best forks i've used. He gets my highest regards.....not that it means much.
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3/22/2016 11:54am
Bob has basically abandon TT. The overhwelming trash talked on him and his work and his lack of ability to disprove any of it, he simply stopped responding to the complaints. He stopped posting in the tech section as well when his theories were blown out of the water with factual data. Tons of unsatisfied customers and just about all of his theories blown out of the water. Snake oil.
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3/22/2016 4:46pm
I too did not have the best experience with FCR. My story basically mimics drenmaster's I am not sure if it was the staff at the time or because we are Stationed overseas. Or if that is just how their service works. But here is a general break down of my experience.

I have raced most my life but never had my suspension made for me. Moved to Japan, bought a new bike and was asking around on where I should send it. Drenmaster and other riders in the local area swore by FCR works suspension and at one point it was really good, maybe it is now idk. So we shipped our stuff out at roughly same time to get the badassery that was their previous work. $1200 later or so for all works and trick parts/ springs for my weight etc etc. And about 4 months or so later I received it back. Very few OEM shock parts were returned. but what blew my mind was for a FACT my stock rear spring was still on. I know this because I had paint missing on the lower part of it. No doubt my stock spring.

I am 240 dry. Pretty sure that is not recommended spring weight for me...

I got the same run around on shipping. But mine was and I'm paraphrasing "It is at the post office but they couldn't ship it because the box was damaged." Not sure if it arrived at local post office bad or damaged while putting on the shelf? Or if it was just an excuse because they hadn't even touched my suspension at that point. 1.5 months later i received them back.

Installed on bike and the feel was way more smooth and not "rough" if you will. so what ever the valving they did seemed to help. But I still had to increase my compression quite a bit. But exactly like Drenmaster, I had to crank down my spring to get same sag I had before I sent it out. (shouldn't be the opposite if my spring was changed?)

Moving on..

I also had my head port and polished and valves done, looked pretty, started right up. But about a month of riding went by and I had noticeable blue smoke coming out of my 250F. Valve oil seal was the culprit. There was a rubber seals installed on my intake side and not the metal OEM ones. Could have been there before I sent it out as I hadn't got that far into motor at this point. Just saying.

So I ordered race tech springs for forks and a diverse spring for back and bike is way better. NOTE: the local mechanic confirmed front spring was stock.

Long story long.. I would not personally recommend sending your stuff to get serviced there unless maybe you live 10 minutes away or own a high profile instagram account. (maybe some of you will know what I'm talking about)

I always like to support the local shops before sending stuff to MB1 or RG3 but in the future this is the route I will be taking. Sorry Bob its nothing personal, maybe the service is better now. But my experience was not the greatest by far. Others might have had or will have better luck but that ruined it for me and I will not use their business in the future. Hopefully this helps people make a decision. Thanks

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3/23/2016 12:32am
And I am honestly happy to hear that. Just wasn't my situation. =/
downard254
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3/23/2016 3:37am
I had a somewhat similar bad experience as above on the spring issue with Pro-action years ago. I'm not sure what the big deal is with changing the damn springs. I mean they're off anyway, put the stiffer springs. As for dirt on the components when returned. No way suspension units will have dirt on them after a rebuild. Hard to say what went on there. I would imagine many places will have a few stories like that.
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3/25/2016 4:43am
Just got my 14' KX 450 and 06' KX 250 2smoke done at MPR and I honestly couldn't be happier with my setup it was extremely impressive and worth every penny and I will stick with MPR with out a doubt

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